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Old 04-29-2011, 04:16 PM    (permalink
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Now that some of the dust has settled, I'm convinced that Christian Ponder will have the brightest career out of the QBs selected in this year's draft. People can say the Vikings reached, but their board was put together for their own team. Not for the other 31.

Ponder will succeed because:

1) Intelligence. Graduated in 2.5 years with a 3.7 GPA and already has a Master's degree. Goes to show the kind of committment and work ethic he has off the field. It's also a good sign to show that a high ceiling on his learning capacity, which is crucial for the QB position.

2) Strong arm. Ponder's arm is plenty strong to make all the NFL throws. If you don't know it, watch him.

3) Elusive on his feet. He's not a runner like Newton, Tebow, Vick... but he's comfortable making plays on his feet and escaping pressure. In a lot of ways he reminds me of how Romo used to be. Romo runs a lot less now days, but he used to be a magician back there. So while he uses his feet well, he doesn't take off and scramble on his first instinct. Big plus.

3) Ponder comes from a pro style system. His footwork out from underneath center is smooth and automatic. He doesn't have to think about his footwork. It's just natural, unlike his peers coming from spread option systems who don't have the repetitiion advantage.

4) No accuracy question marks. While Locker and Newton have been highly criticized of this, nobody says that about Ponder.

5) He's a gunslinger. He's got that Brett Favre, never die attitude. He looks to extend plays and make things happen out of nothing. While that can be good many times, it has lead to some of his INTs... but the Vikings will love him for it.

6) Alpha male. This is important to me. Ponder sparkles those good looks that all those confident lead dogs have. People like him and gravitate him. People want to follow him. He's an easy guy to place confidence in. When he leads, you want to listen. That's the type he is. Not just because of his looks, but the complete package. Looks, smarts, athletic... fricken... our society loves those kinds of people. That's just the way it is.

7) Strong supporting cast. Now here is the real kicker that puts everything over the top. Ponder is going to a place where he can succeed right away. Handing the ball off to Adrian Peterson and targets like Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, Berrian and Camarillo... not to mention a solid TE in Shianco... Ponder is landing in the best situation of all the other QBs in this draft.

So before you start knocking the pick (all you Locker lovers who praised Tennessee), realize you might be knocking the best QB to come out of this draft!!! They didn't reach. They got a damn STEAL!
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his upside isn't as great as Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Mallett, or Kaepernick....but you are probably right. If he stays healthy he probably will end up better than those other guys. He was good in college, just hurt a lot.
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I don't know how many here watch much ACC football, but if you have, Ponder has some really pathetic performances on his resume. No ACC fan IMO would imagine at the end of the 2010 season that Ponder would be regarded as a high first round pick.

He may be academically smart, but that raw intelligence doesn't always translate to being football savvy.

It's hard for me to believe he'll be a significantly better pro than he was a collegian. Ponder had always had a decent Oline, raw talent at WR, serviceable RBs, all while playing in a conference on par competition wise with the Big East.

And yet Ponder never was a dominant QB. Ponder, like Gabbert, is a prospect who benefited from a bang-up predraft postseason, playing well in allstar games and testing better than teams believed he would as an athlete.

IMO he's Patrick Ramsey, a guy with tools but something is lacking that makes him a 1st string NFL QB.

If Ponder pans out, Personally I'll have to re-evaluate what is it that identifies a college QB as a future pro.

Va Tech's Tyrod Taylor also played in a pro style offense in college, and compare what he did for the Hokies in his final year to Ponder. Tyrod blew Ponder away in every category except completion percentage.

Do people view Taylor as a future starter in the NFL?? Same arm as Ponder, wicked mobility, an inch shorter (6'1 to 6'2).

Maybe they should.
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Ponder sucks. Ask anyone who's actually watched him play
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Don't get caught in the off field trap(Alex Smith). Off field intelligence doesn't automatically translate
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He has those traits, but that never translated into consistent proficient play at the college level.

The best indicator of future performance is past performance. I'm not saying it CAN'T happen, but it's hard for me to predict success in the NFL for a QB who didn't really have much of it in college.

With that said, you can never question the heart and will of an athlete. If he wants to get better and improve, maybe he can become a solid NFL QB. I wouldn't bet on it though.
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Don't know about the "Alpha male" bit. He hung with Gabbert a lot this spring, and Gabbert seemed the dominant personality even though he is a couple of years younger than Ponder.
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Don't know about the "Alpha male" bit. He hung with Gabbert a lot this spring, and Gabbert seemed the dominant personality even though he is a couple of years younger than Ponder.
What a weird comment.
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What a weird comment.
LOL, I feel uncomfortable after having read that. Am I in the middle of some sort of experiment?
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His arm strength was plenty good before the forearm injury. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Jar435rnc

Hopefully it returns to that level.
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BTW that "pro style" system is the famed Bobby Petrino offense
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It actually produced Jamarcus Russell's junior numbers...
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It actually produced Jamarcus Russell's junior numbers...
The inconsistency people view the Petrino offense with is really astounding. A few years ago, when it was an issue, I heard very compelling evidence that supports that you should not be enamored with some of the statistics that come out of a Petrino/Jimbo scheme and was inclined to believe them. Now that another few quarterbacks are coming out of that system and people want them to be good, it's almost like that's all shoved aside and forgotten about. I'm not saying that either Mallett or Ponder can't be successful because of this trap, but it really is something that shouldn't fall outside the breadth of the evaluation process. It's easy, high percentage throws that cloud up completion percentages and hide accuracy issues the way the spread does. We can almost all agree that Joey Harrington wasn't an accurate quarterback at the NFL level...yet under the Petrino system he actually put up grossly different statistical profile than he did under any other, even "reviving" his career for a time, getting him another year in the league before washing out.
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Trent Dilfer hated the pick and ripped it to pieces.

I can say as a Vikings fan, this made me feel a little better about the pick. lol
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Ponder's athleticism is really underrated, I will give you that. Look at his combine numbers, he is right there with Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Kaepernick. In terms of size and his test scores.
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Ponder's athleticism is really underrated, I will give you that. Look at his combine numbers, he is right there with Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Kaepernick. In terms of size and his test scores.
All these guys are bunched together in the 4.5 - 4.6 range, ridiculous speed for a QB, but IMO only Newton, Locker and CK are really effective scrambling, (decent lateral movement and can consistently make one tackler miss.)

Ponder and Gabbert don't look real comfortable in the open field and are more or less straight line runners, but still a QB with those kinds of wheels is always a threat on 3rd and 8 to take off and pick up the first down.
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I'm a fan of Ponder but c'mon, you can't take him at #12. He would have been a good value late 1st/early 2nd.
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Hurricanes25, the Vikes' 'GM' said that they called every team below them, and couldn't find a trade partner, whether its true or not, who knows? Seems like a reach when looking at draft analysts big boards, but what happens if they did manage to trade down and Washington takes him at 16?
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Ponder can move around outside the pocket but any time he actually runs with the ball he looks like he's about to take a concussion. Same with Gabbert
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"Don't know about the "Alpha male" bit. He hung with Gabbert a lot this spring, and Gabbert seemed the dominant personality even though he is a couple of years younger than Ponder."

LOL where do you get this crap from? Even if its true, what does his personality hanging out with Gabbert off the field have to do with how he is with his team? I understand you have a man crush on Gabbert, but do you really find it necessary to bash every other prospect that isn't Gabbert? It doesn't elevate Gabbert AT all.

I mean what does that statement even mean? Dominant personality. They were eating candy and Gabbert asked for some and Ponder, well i didn't want to give mine up, but okay here you go?
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I agree Mr. Unit. I think he is one of the cutest guys in the draft.
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Ponder @ #12 was a serious stretch but I still like him because of everything he brings to the table. I wouldn't have drafted before Kaepernick just because of durability issues which is a significant issue and even more concerning at the Vikes which couldn't keep anyone off of Favre. If they shore up the line he may be successful, if not he's a back-up in two years.
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Ponder @ #12 was a serious stretch but I still like him because of everything he brings to the table. I wouldn't have drafted before Kaepernick just because of durability issues which is a significant issue and even more concerning at the Vikes which couldn't keep anyone off of Favre. If they shore up the line he may be successful, if not he's a back-up in two years.
CK is soooo athletic that he'll be able to survive on that as his own checkdowns and be a decent rookie... factor in the fact that he will be leading Harbaugh's offense with Gore, Crabtree, and Davis and I think a star is born!
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CK is soooo athletic that he'll be able to survive on that as his own checkdowns and be a decent rookie... factor in the fact that he will be leading Harbaugh's offense with Gore, Crabtree, and Davis and I think a star is born!
This was a little prophetic.
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