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Old 03-24-2007, 01:56 AM    (permalink
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Two sources confirmed a report by Sports Illustrated that Goodell is also expected to ban Tennessee cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones for a minimum of one year. Even more, Goodell and the league are expected to get the full support of the NFL Players Association, making it difficult for individual players such as Jones to stop such penalties short of a lengthy court battle.
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1 year is too long for not having been convicted of anything. I mean, yes Pac-man's antics are more than old, and need to come to an end. 1 year is like a serious steriod suspension though, not misconduct. He has really upped his game of late as well. Too bad if its true. I think it makes more sense to put him in a no more chances, no slack, shape up or ship out situation, and let him sit in it. Sitting a year will give him more time to go do these crazy things anyway-
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Wow. That's a serious punishment. Maybe they're trying to make an example out of him.
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Good to hear. They really need to make an example of him to keep his type of additude and behavior out of the league.
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Wow. That's a serious punishment. Maybe they're trying to make an example out of him.
They are and they should.
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They are and they should.
Why? What crimes has he been convicted of to warrant being suspended for a year?
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"Since then, Jones has become the poster child for players gone wild. His rap sheet features a litany of arrests, outbursts and a strong implication that he frequently uses marijuana.

Jones topped all of that in February.

He was involved in an incident that resulted in the shooting of three people in Las Vegas after the NBA All-Star Game. Exactly what happened leading up to the shootings is unclear, but there were various accounts and reports of Jones being robbed; Jones hitting a stripper; and a member of his entourage firing a gun in the strip club where the madness took place, leaving one of the victims paralyzed.

In the aftermath, it has been uncovered that Jones was involved in two other incidents that the Titans and the league were unaware of and, according to police surveillance recordings, he's an acquaintance of a known drug dealer."

O Ya he is a Saint come on they have to play hard ball with him to open his eyes and the eyes of all the other troubled players in the NFL. The players backing the NFL on this shows a lot it has to stop bad players are giving good players a bad name.
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"Since then, Jones has become the poster child for players gone wild. His rap sheet features a litany of arrests, outbursts and a strong implication that he frequently uses marijuana.

Jones topped all of that in February.

He was involved in an incident that resulted in the shooting of three people in Las Vegas after the NBA All-Star Game. Exactly what happened leading up to the shootings is unclear, but there were various accounts and reports of Jones being robbed; Jones hitting a stripper; and a member of his entourage firing a gun in the strip club where the madness took place, leaving one of the victims paralyzed.

In the aftermath, it has been uncovered that Jones was involved in two other incidents that the Titans and the league were unaware of and, according to police surveillance recordings, he's an acquaintance of a known drug dealer."

O Ya he is a Saint come on they have to play hard ball with him to open his eyes and the eyes of all the other troubled players in the NFL. The players backing the NFL on this shows a lot it has to stop bad players are giving good players a bad name.
The part that I bolded is the only instance you mentioned where Jones himself is even IMPLICATED in doing anything. As far as the shooting - we're still waiting to see how involved he was, or if he was even involved at all.

You also realize that it's not against the law to be the acquaintance of a drug dealer, don't you? When the **** did association become a crime?
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Why? What crimes has he been convicted of to warrant being suspended for a year?
yeah I dont think the NFL has any real rights to suspend him for a year. He hasnt been convicted of anything. If the Titans should decide to deactive him or something for conduct detrimental to the team then I wouldnt argue b/c even if I wouldnt do the same thing thats their decision to make and they dont have to put him on the field if they dont want. But the NFL cant just go suspending people without the due process of the law going through, it would be unconstitutional.
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yeah I dont think the NFL has any real rights to suspend him for a year. He hasnt been convicted of anything. If the Titans should decide to deactive him or something for conduct detrimental to the team then I wouldnt argue b/c even if I wouldnt do the same thing thats their decision to make and they dont have to put him on the field if they dont want. But the NFL cant just go suspending people without the due process of the law going through, it would be unconstitutional.
I do not believe Pacman should be suspended, but your calling of it as "unconstituional" is ridiculous. The NFL is a privately owned business that has the right to regulate how it runs by itself. If what you are suggesting is that the government has the right to interfere with how the NFL is run, then that would be unconstitutional. No law would be broken by the NFL suspended pacman.
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yeah I dont think the NFL has any real rights to suspend him for a year. He hasnt been convicted of anything. If the Titans should decide to deactive him or something for conduct detrimental to the team then I wouldnt argue b/c even if I wouldnt do the same thing thats their decision to make and they dont have to put him on the field if they dont want. But the NFL cant just go suspending people without the due process of the law going through, it would be unconstitutional.
You're wrong about the unconstitutional part. People, please, stop trying to make this case into something more than it is. The NFL has every right to suspend any player they feel like, whether they're proven guilty or not. They give more leeway than any other organization you will ever work for, so you can either understand that or be in for a real shock when you start working and understand that constitutionality has little to do with the employer's right to hire and fire anyone at anytime for little to no reason at all.
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For those of you making the claim of "innocence until proven guilty," it holds no jurisdiction in this matter. The NFL as an organization holds the right to ban anyone whether they have been proven guilty or not.

Look at any professional organization that you or your parents work at. If they were ever arrested in an incident like the one that took place in Las Vegas they would be without a job immediately as their employer would more likely than not fire them. Most places will fire you immediately if you receive a DUI and often times in contracts that are signed for employment they have exact provisions in them stating that this kind of behavior is grounds for immediate termination despite court proven guilt.

These players need to understand that they are employees of the NFL, and for that reason are actually quite lucky that they are only suspended for DUI's and possession charges. 1 year is NOT enough. A person was permanently paralyzed in the Las Vegas incident and Pac Man has done nothing to prove that he has ever been an upstanding citizen. Make him sit, and I dont care if that causes him to get into more trouble, hopefully then nobody will take another shot at him and he'll have to sit and realize the opportunity that he squandered away.
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This guy ordered his cronies to shoot somebody, and they did. It's a joke that anyone can defend him. He is scum. Forget football, think about real life.
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Well that is a serious suspension and there is good and bad that come with it. On the negative side, he is being made an example of and its too bad he wont be on the field for a year especially considering he hasnt been convicted of anything. On the plus side, they are making an example of him and hopefully it will help keep players all around the league out of trouble if the NFL shows theyre not playing. Its true I am getting VERY tired of hearing headlines about players with DUI and possession and assault and whatnot. Its cool if you wanna drink or party or whatever and in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with smokin a little reefer, but players need to think about when and where they do what the do. If youre gonna go party, dont make a spectacle of yourself, understand that youre a target, have a ride ready for you if you want to drink, dont keep the weed on you. You got too much at stake to be taking chances like that.
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I agree thizz, one year is pretty harsh for not being convicted of anything

8 games is what im expecting...haynesworth got 5 games for stomping a players face twice on camera. why should pac get more than that when he has never beeen convicted of of a crime, yeah he is an idiot, but he has never actually been guilty of anything...yet
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8 games is what im expecting...haynesworth got 5 games for stomping a players face twice on camera. why should pac get more than that when he has never beeen convicted of of a crime, yeah he is an idiot, but he has never actually been guilty of anything...yet
yeah, what Haynesworth did is by far worse than anything Pac-Man as done, especially as it concerns the NFL.

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that is just ridiculous. we cant kick people out of the league because theyre not a role model. besides, the fact that we talk about football and people immediately talk about Pac-Man is the medias fault, theres no way this kind of news should get this much publicity.
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Didn't he supposedly punch a stripper and tell a bouncer he would be dead at the end of the night and was then shot a couple hours later and left crippled.
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where do you get this stuff? I have not heard anything anywhere about him punching a stripper or telling a bouncer he would be dead or anything of the sort. We have absolutely no idea if Pac-Man knew the shooter in any way at all. We dont know why the bouncer got shot. What you are bringing in there is nothing but some he-said she-said rumors that are completely unsubstantiated and we all know we cant believe every damn thing we hear.

And what I mean is what tarnishes the image of the NFL more? A player getting into a bar fight off the field? Or a player stomping the head of another player durring a nationally broadcast game. You wanna talk about role models for kids and showing kids how the game is supposed to be played and all that, it cant get worse than that. On the field is when these guys are expected to be doing right and being an example. We cant expect them to be role models 24/7/365. It would be nice but its unrealistic.
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He might have made some poor choices in the past, but is a 1 year suspension really what he deserves?
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He might have made some poor choices in the past, but is a 1 year suspension really what he deserves?
IMO, yes!
So what if he hasn't been convicted?

What kind of deterent would Goodell and the NPA be sending out, "you can act like an idiot/thug, as long as you don't get caught or convicted", not much of an example for young players coming into the lge?

Someone needs to be made an example off, why not Pacman?

My only concern is that the "NFL" needs to be consistent with the punishment, whats the name of that young idiot WR from the Bengals? slap him with the "big stick" at the same time.
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he deserves it. he has done too much to taint the image of the nfl as a whole
And Tank Johnson, Jamal Lewis (both convicted and one currently in jail) haven't tainted the NFL's image at all.....

Funny how the commish will choose a team based in Tennesse to do something like this. He will leave the Chicago team alone......I wonder which has the bigger market...hmm...
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And Tank Johnson, Jamal Lewis (both convicted and one currently in jail) haven't tainted the NFL's image at all.....

Funny how the commish will choose a team based in Tennesse to do something like this. He will leave the Chicago team alone......I wonder which has the bigger market...hmm...
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Best point in the whole thread. If they're going to suspend Pacman they should suspend the walking gun locker Tank Johnson.
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