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Old 12-07-2011, 07:44 PM    (permalink
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Great read coming at last from a sourse outside of draftniks. I'm not sure how much respect Bucky deserves since he is relatively new on the job, but he was a pro scout for 2 teams and I guess I'll be watching closely to see where he fits into the Mayock/Casserly group in 'Path to the Draft' on the NFL Network.
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I would love to see Trent Richardson in Denver with Tim Tebow. That would be a fun duo to watch.
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David Wilson is compared to Ray Rice, yet is questioned about carrying the load?

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WQill Ingram go higher than Coples before it ios all said and done.???
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I'm a little weary of how good Ingram will be in the NFL. Kinda squatty with a fat butt for a true DE, not the long and lean typical DE - though he is quite athletic for his size. He is more of a guy who can play LDE and then DT on 3rd downs. Andre Branch was better this year IMO and he is more of the typical, long and lean pass rushing DE. Coples is still a firm #1 DE this year I think, definitely has the most potential and is a versatile big DE who can be a LDE, 5 tech DT, and play some 3 tech. Had a better junior year than senior year - but that can be attributed to him playing his more natural position instead instead of moving outside on the edge as a senior.
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I'm a little weary of how good Ingram will be in the NFL. Kinda squatty with a fat butt for a true DE, not the long and lean typical DE - though he is quite athletic for his size. He is more of a guy who can play LDE and then DT on 3rd downs. Andre Branch was better this year IMO and he is more of the typical, long and lean pass rushing DE. Coples is still a firm #1 DE this year I think, definitely has the most potential and is a versatile big DE who can be a LDE, 5 tech DT, and play some 3 tech. Had a better junior year than senior year - but that can be attributed to him playing his more natural position instead instead of moving outside on the edge as a senior.
This. The measurables and physique remind me a lot of Robert Ayers and Derrick Morgan, two guys I didn't really like (to be fair, Morgan was a better prospect with better production). If I'm drafting a DE in the first round I'd rather take my chances with a JPP type or in this case, a Coples type. Not that I'm driving the Coples bandwagon either.
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The Jamaal Anderson factor with Coples is really, really high...but if there's anything I've learned about defensive ends, it's that you draft based on length and athleticism first and foremost and worry about the rest later. Still, I wouldn't feel good making that pick.

Andre Branch fascinates me. He went from being a guy everyone had as completely overhyped to being criminally underrated in one season. There's some things there that I want to make sure check out at the combine and I would LOVE to see him come to the Senior Bowl...but color me interested as a late first kind of guy.

Fletcher Cox is a guy I need to see more of. Didn't catch much of Mississippi State this year, and when I did I was looking elsewhere. Like the sounds of his skillset though.


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Lol at Bucky Brooks. Iamcanadian's shtick of thinking scouts are always right and more knowledgable is more hilarious when quoting Bucky.... and I didn't even read the article yet.
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Lol at Bucky Brooks. Iamcanadian's shtick of thinking scouts are always right and more knowledgable is more hilarious when quoting Bucky.... and I didn't even read the article yet.
If you had read some of my posts on Brooks, you'd see I'm totally unsure whether Brooks is talented enough to take completely serious. I have nothing to base his accuracy on from past experience.
However, your obvious dislike for reliable sources show how mundane your knowledge of the draft is.
I choose to use sources that have proved to be reliable over time, like a Mayock, Brandt or a Casserly. You become laughable if you chose to ignore people who had put most of their lives into the draft for a living, in the NFL and have access we can only dream about. But what do they know????
If anything is hilarious, it's your belief that you are smarter and more knowledgeable than anybody else around and need no reliable sources to check out your thoughts against other people's opinions. Must be great to be a genius in your own mind.
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If you had read some of my posts on Brooks, you'd see I'm totally unsure whether Brooks is talented enough to take completely serious. I have nothing to base his accuracy on from past experience.
However, your obvious dislike for reliable sources show how mundane your knowledge of the draft is.
I choose to use sources that have proved to be reliable over time, like a Mayock, Brandt or a Casserly. You become laughable if you chose to ignore people who had put most of their lives into the draft for a living, in the NFL and have access we can only dream about. But what do they know????
If anything is hilarious, it's your belief that you are smarter and more knowledgeable than anybody else around and need no reliable sources to check out your thoughts against other people's opinions. Must be great to be a genius in your own mind.
Hahah, a lot of the guys you choose are as hit and miss as we are, which is why they were A) fired, or B)Never hired.

Don't confuse having a better cache or resources to use with actually being a better scout.

I do like Mayock though, but Brandt has been terrible for a LONG time, and Casserly is laughable...

My mistake on your thoughts on Bucky, but if you think he's a reliable source, IDK what else to say.
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Hahah, a lot of the guys you choose are as hit and miss as we are, which is why they were A) fired, or B)Never hired.

Don't confuse having a better cache or resources to use with actually being a better scout.

I do like Mayock though, but Brandt has been terrible for a LONG time, and Casserly is laughable...

My mistake on your thoughts on Bucky, but if you think he's a reliable source, IDK what else to say.
Brandt had 29/32 first rounds 2 or 3 years ago so his sources at least, are pretty solid even if he doesn't do a lot of scouting himself anymore. I love Mayock but he has some weak areas as well like junior QB's. In fact most of the old timers haven't got a lot of experience with predicting junior QB's. It is only a recent phenomenon that QB's have started declaring as juniors in large #'s and I don't think the old timers are very solid on predicting them as prospects.
Casserly, I don't trust on QB's at all but he is still very knowledgeable about other positions, and you can compare his sources against Mayock's to get a clearer overall picture.
The way I approach the draft is to think of these guys like my hired scouts, I take their ideas, compare it to my own, then go back to see if I missed something if there is a wide divergence. Every organization have many scouts look at the same prospects before the GM, in most cases, reaches a conclusion on a prospect. Nobody except Matt Millen, ever relied on only his own opinion.
On Brooks, I have no past experience to judge him on so I am reluctant to completely take his word on a prospect. I'll be watching closely to see how he does at predicting where prospects rank before I add him as a hehe, scout for me..
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Surprised Alameda Ta'amu is nowhere to be seen on this list. Especially with the need for NTs in the league (though a 4-3 team taking him would not surprise me). I don't think there are that many more talented DEs in this draft.
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He said something along those lines but I'm almost sure that's not a direct quote.
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I disagree with DeCastro being behind Reiff and Martin, but other than that it's an ok list.

edit: I actually think Mike Adams should be higher too, but meh.
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I disagree with DeCastro being behind Reiff and Martin, but other than that it's an ok list.

edit: I actually think Mike Adams should be higher too, but meh.
I could see Adams going a lot higher as well. The post season will be extremely important to him.
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Well, the Senior Bowl and the Combine will sort out the final ranking anyways, but it is a good start to see where they stand based on their final season.
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