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Old 02-06-2012, 05:58 PM    (permalink
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Great analysis.

Surprise no one is interested in this. Great chance of having a playoff soon.
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Let's get it popping. The thoughts of a final 4 would make for some primetime television BUT travel could prove to be a pain if you're asking a team to play a conference title game then turn around and head west or come east a week later.
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B1G and fans would love this. I can't wait to hear some of these fans talk about having teams come play in Columbus in January.

I'd love a playoff and a final four would be pretty good. There's rarely been a time when we had more than 4 teams that could seriously make a case for being in the NC at the end of the season.
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Let's just hope it just stays between the top 4 BCS teams and nobody complains if we get another Bama/LSU scenario or OSU/UM. If two teams from the same conference deserve it then let it be.
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I was hoping a playoff tournament like Division II or w/e they are called now. At least a 12 team playoff tournament like the NFL would be fine. But it a least it's a start. Too bad it will start in 2014.
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I was hoping a playoff tournament like Division II or w/e they are called now. At least a 12 team playoff tournament like the NFL would be fine. But it a least it's a start. Too bad it will start in 2014.
The problem is that college football is 120 teams and pro football is 32. When you condense 32 teams into 12, it makes sense. When you take 120 teams and condense it to 12, it doesn't.

People think they want to get rid of the BCS, but the alternative is what we have in college basketball: 10 people in a backroom picking 68 teams to play in 67 games (granted, they take over 300 and turn it into 68).

Until we see a restructuring (and dumping) of teams and conferences, we'll continue to have the same stupid arguments.

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A playoff is just another (different) way to settle the championship. It isn't necesarily the best team winning either. Nor will it be in a 4 team playoff. There will always be an argument that the team only won because they got hot or because they didn't let some 5th team in.
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A playoff is just another (different) way to settle the championship. It isn't necesarily the best team winning either. Nor will it be in a 4 team playoff. There will always be an argument that the team only won because they got hot or because they didn't let some 5th team in.
While a 4-team playoff wouldn't guarantee that the best team would always win, it would greatly increase the odds over a larger format. I'd have no problem with the #4 team getting hot at the end of the season and winning the championship. I would have a problem with the #12 or #16 getting hot and doing damage, when they don't deserve to be there in the first place.
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Honestly 8 max is all we need. If you can't keep it at 3 losses tops chances are you aren't championship material
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Only reason B1G teams want home games is to try and have a weather advantage over the other schools.
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Only reason B1G teams want home games is to try and have a weather advantage over the other schools.
And the only reason SEC and southern schools don't want seeding to determine where games are played is so that they can be assurred of never having to travel that far or into the northern states where it's cold.

I know I'm a fan of a Big Ten team, but at least this idea is attempting to make things fair. Let's be honest, more often than not a team like Florida or Alabama will be the higher seed over Michigan or OSU, so the game will be played in Florida or Alabama. But in the off chance that Michigan is 2nd and Florida is 3rd, how fair is it to have that game played in Atlanta or Miami instead of Ann Arbor?

I actually wouldn't mind if they kept neutral sites for the games, as long as it's assured that the sites are actually neutral and some stadiums north of the Mason-Dixon line actually get to host. Make it so that locations aren't pre-determined going into the season, so that it isn't said that Pasadena gets the 1v4 game, and then have USC make the 4th seed. Have 3 locations determined (say, Atlanta, Pasadena, Lambeau) and then if the final 4 are 1. Florida 2. Wisconsin 3. USC 4. Texas, put Florida-Texas in Pasadena or Lambeau, then put Wisconsin-USC in Atlanta. But I know, no one is going to want to play in the cold except Big Ten teams.
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They haven't been relavent in a decade and don't say they made a BCS game this year because the game was anything but a BCS game!

Let's be honest, more often than not a team like Florida or Alabama will be the higher seed over Michigan or OSU, so the game will be played in Florida or Alabama. But in the off chance that Michigan is 2nd and Florida is 3rd, how fair is it to have that game played in Atlanta or Miami instead of Ann Arbor?
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They haven't been relavent in a decade and don't say they made a BCS game this year because the game was anything but a BCS game!

Let's be honest, more often than not a team like Florida or Alabama will be the higher seed over Michigan or OSU, so the game will be played in Florida or Alabama. But in the off chance that Michigan is 2nd and Florida is 3rd, how fair is it to have that game played in Atlanta or Miami instead of Ann Arbor?
Jesus, it was just an example. Should I have used Michigan St., who has been even less relevant than Michigan in the last decade? I like Michigan St., but seriously hate their bandwagon fans that think because of the last 2 years they are some elite program.

And just because for no reason you've decided to act like a twunt, a decade is 10 years. 6 years ago Michigan was as high as #2 in the polls, played OSU for a spot in the NC game, went to the Rose Bowl (a BCS bowl, in case you are too ignorant to realize), and finished the season ranked 8th.

For the record, in the past decade (again, that would be 10 years), Michigan has 2 big ten championships, tied for 2nd most in the past decade with Wisconsin, and ahead of Michigan St.'s 1. Also, if I decided to make you look like even more foolish, I could probably look up and determine that in the last 10 years, Michigan probably has significantly more wins than Michigan St., even included the RichRod abortion.


But back on topic, I actually wouldn't mind having the conference champs play in a playoff, but then you get teams like the Big East winner making it over teams that are obviously better. I guess you have that in pro sports anyway, but there's is always going to be someone left to complain. At least it would be a step in the right direction. I think if you go 8 teams, then seeding to determine home field would be a must.
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You want a playoff because the polls aren't fair but you talk about Michigan being as high as # 2 by some ignorant pollsters in your argument, and it was more than 6 years ago, but nice try. MSU has a 24-8 record the last 5 years in the Big Ten, tied for best with OSU while SCum is 12-20. SO WHO IS IRRELEVANT!!! And a bandwagon fan? Sorry but I have a degree and season tickets from MSU. What do you have a trailer in a corn field?
My point is stop using a team that has been god awful lately. We hear enough of the Michigan hype from the ignoant media out there because they were good before Christ WAS BORN!!! At least use a team like Wisconsin or hell even Iowa.

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Jesus, it was just an example. Should I have used Michigan St., who has been even less relevant than Michigan in the last decade? I like Michigan St., but seriously hate their bandwagon fans that think because of the last 2 years they are some elite program.

And just because for no reason you've decided to act like a twunt, a decade is 10 years. 6 years ago Michigan was as high as #2 in the polls, played OSU for a spot in the NC game, went to the Rose Bowl (a BCS bowl, in case you are too ignorant to realize), and finished the season ranked 8th.

For the record, in the past decade (again, that would be 10 years), Michigan has 2 big ten championships, tied for 2nd most in the past decade with Wisconsin, and ahead of Michigan St.'s 1. Also, if I decided to make you look like even more foolish, I could probably look up and determine that in the last 10 years, Michigan probably has significantly more wins than Michigan St., even included the RichRod abortion.


But back on topic, I actually wouldn't mind having the conference champs play in a playoff, but then you get teams like the Big East winner making it over teams that are obviously better. I guess you have that in pro sports anyway, but there's is always going to be someone left to complain. At least it would be a step in the right direction. I think if you go 8 teams, then seeding to determine home field would be a must.

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Only reason B1G teams want home games is to try and have a weather advantage over the other schools.
You mean like the neutral site NC game for LSU the last 3 times in NOLA?

The homefield means you earned it during the season, which destroys the bowl fan's argument about the importance of the regular season being lessened with a playoff.

It makes sense to me. It works for the NFL and every other college division, why not for CFB?

I also like the idea of having the NC game be bid on like the Super Bowl. I think the playoff and championship game would make CFB even bigger and better.

Put the NC game on a Saturday and you have the makings of another SB like party day regardless of whom is playing.
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Also just wanted to add that with a playoff, the whole excuse of "they shouldn't have to play the post season games in the cold" that goes along with bowl games will be gone. It wouldn't be a reward like bowl games are.
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Its better than what we have now, but still bad and unfair. I don't understand the point of having 120 D-I teams yet only like 80 of them can compete for this championship.
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Its better than what we have now, but still bad and unfair. I don't understand the point of having 120 D-I teams yet only like 80 of them can compete for this championship.
What is bad and unfair?

You can't have a 64 team tournament in football. The game is too brutal.

There are simply too many FBS division teams. Lots of 2nd tier teams that have no business being in the same division.
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What is bad and unfair?

You can't have a 64 team tournament in football. The game is too brutal.

There are simply too many FBS division teams. Lots of 2nd tier teams that have no business being in the same division.
He said the teams would be picked from the current pool of BCS teams to play in the playoff.

Basketball has way more teams competing than football does, for a championship. I never mentioned having a 64 team tournament.

Why can't the conference winners compete in a playoff? Before are all teams were at least allowed to compete for the NCAA Championship, until a third party came and decided who is allowed and who is not.
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He said the teams would be picked from the current pool of BCS teams to play in the playoff.

Basketball has way more teams competing than football does, for a championship. I never mentioned having a 64 team tournament.

Why can't the conference winners compete in a playoff? Before are all teams were at least allowed to compete for the NCAA Championship, until a third party came and decided who is allowed and who is not.

For the billionth time, no system (playoff scenario or no playoff scenario) will ever require only conference winners to be able to participate. It eliminates Notre Dame.

Secondly, just because you win your conference doesn't even mean you're really a top 10-15 team. All conferences are not equal. The SEC typically has at least 3 teams that would win every other conference out there undefeated. Furthermore, until all conferences are playing a conference championship game, it's a bogus discussion to have.


On the bright side, at least Ohio St. doesn't have to lose again to an SEC team in a bowl game next year.

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For the billionth time, no system (playoff scenario or no playoff scenario) will ever require only conference winners to be able to participate. It eliminates Notre Dame.

Secondly, just because you win your conference doesn't even mean you're really a top 10-15 team. All conferences are not equal. The SEC typically has at least 3 teams that would win every other conference out there undefeated. Furthermore, until all conferences are playing a conference championship game, it's a bogus discussion to have.


On the bright side, at least Ohio St. doesn't have to lose again to an SEC team in a bowl game next year.

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Or it forces Notre Dame to join a conference, if 119 teams can agree on something and Notre Dame can't, that really is their problem not the rest of College Football's problem.
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I'd definitely take it. As some have pointed out, may be better systems, but 4 teams wouldn't dilute much and some arguments would be answered at the very least. You can argue venues and the timeline, but just getting to 4 teams for 2014 would be incredible!
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I'd definitely take it. As some have pointed out, may be better systems, but 4 teams wouldn't dilute much and some arguments would be answered at the very least. You can argue venues and the timeline, but just getting to 4 teams for 2014 would be incredible!
Exactly. And as Wetzel said, it's a radical shift away from the ridiculous and ancient bowl system. Why give the bowls the money the schools be taking in?

Also, it would only start at 4, and probably grow to 8, 12 tops.

WRT BCS only schools, I doubt if that sticks.
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If the schools were smart enough they would eliminate the third party/middle man and make their own official NCAA champ with playoff and all. They would make way more money then they are now.
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