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Old 03-30-2012, 03:06 PM    (permalink
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has Whitney Mercilius fallen that far out of favor that he isn't considered in the First 2 rounds? He was in your last couple mocks. Just wonder if he has had a bad workout or injury or something.

Nevermind. Damn my eyesight. lol

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has Whitney Mercilius fallen that far out of favor that he isn't considered in the First 2 rounds? He was in your last couple mocks. Just wonder if he has had a bad workout or injury or something.
He's in there, to the Jags at #38.
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He's in there, to the Jags at #38.
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has Whitney Mercilius fallen that far out of favor that he isn't considered in the First 2 rounds? He was in your last couple mocks. Just wonder if he has had a bad workout or injury or something.
As mentioned above, I have Mercilus going to the Jaguars at #38 overall.

There's VERY little difference between a late first rounder and the first ten picks of round two.
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I LOVE those Vikings picks!
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I just don't see how the Ravens pass on Adams.

On a side note I really dislike Konz in the first.

Also, I would prefer Kendricks in the 2nd. I don't see how a team with a top RB already can spend a top 100 pick on a RB. I understand that we need another back to take the load off of Rice but I don't think I'd be okay taking one in the top 100
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I'd take Floyd + Adams
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Love the Vikings draft as well. Just wondering your thought process on Hill over Jeffery?
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Harrison Smith and Brandon Boykin would be great fits. Andre Branch is a possibility as well given his size and run defense; being a senior could give him the edge over Mercilus (although Mercilus has more upside.) Kendall Reyes is a reach in the first round because he struggles to locate the ball and doesn't have an elite burst or anchor. Kendall projects as more of a mid to late second rounder.
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From everything I'm hearing, Reyes is going to be a late first or early second.

Kind of a polarizing prospect though with a wide range of opinions in scouting community.
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From everything I'm hearing, Reyes is going to be a late first or early second.

Kind of a polarizing prospect though with a wide range of opinions in scouting community.
As a Connecticut fan I don't feel that he is worth a first-round pick. His mental makeup and frame suggest he could fit in New England's defense and he is the type of player they like to target so it's a possibility but strictly based on value he would not be a great selection. The Huskies used him all over the place which will be appealing but he does sometimes struggle to anchor and doesn't make up for it by being an outstanding pass-rusher like Jerel Worthy is. Reyes also struggles to locate the ball and is frequently caught out of position or tricked by misdirection/play action; projecting him to New England is reasonable especially since you have the Patriots drafting at OLB, CB, and S but hopefully they would trade down first or take him later on.
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I don't really like Nick Perry to Green Bay, not because he's not a good player (he is) and not because he can't play OLB (he probably can), it's just because he's not really a great fit on a team with Clay Matthews. Generally, 3-4 teams with 2 good pass rushing OLBs do best when you have a different style of pass rusher on each side (e.g. James Harrison is crazy and tenacious while Woodley is a powerful "crush the pocket guy" and Worilds is a great athlete.) Being able to mix up the styles makes your various stunts much more effective, and it keeps the OTs off balance.

Perry is almost exactly the same style of a pass rusher as Matthews (the game is based on the burst and the athleticism, Matthews is quite a bit more flexible though.) So I think Green Bay would prefer to have someone like Mercilus or Branch to Perry.

I know the "2 USC OLBs" angle is kind of cute, but I just don't feel it's a great fit.
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I don't really like Nick Perry to Green Bay, not because he's not a good player (he is) and not because he can't play OLB (he probably can), it's just because he's not really a great fit on a team with Clay Matthews. Generally, 3-4 teams with 2 good pass rushing OLBs do best when you have a different style of pass rusher on each side (e.g. James Harrison is crazy and tenacious while Woodley is a powerful "crush the pocket guy" and Worilds is a great athlete.) Being able to mix up the styles makes your various stunts much more effective, and it keeps the OTs off balance.

Perry is almost exactly the same style of a pass rusher as Matthews (the game is based on the burst and the athleticism, Matthews is quite a bit more flexible though.) So I think Green Bay would prefer to have someone like Mercilus or Branch to Perry.

I know the "2 USC OLBs" angle is kind of cute, but I just don't feel it's a great fit.
Forgive me I don't quite follow. I understand the premise of having two different pass rushers, like Derrick Thomas was a speed rusher and Neil Smith was a power rusher for the Chiefs in the 90s. But its not necessarily that their styles were different that made the Chiefs a terror to opposing QBs, but because they were both effective.

I don't think it matters whether or not Matthews and Perry are the same type of pass rusher, if they can both get to the QB then they will be forcing the offense to devote resources to block them on both sides. That is usually difficult to do and will leave another position vulnerable.
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Round one: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trich or Claiborne at 4, Wright at 22 would be ideal!!!
Round two: puke

the browns aren't going to take a QB in round two, mark my words. They would rather give McCoy another year with an upgraded supporting cast than try to develop a QB who almost certainly won't be franchise quality, and very likely waste a high pick when they have so many needs to use that pick on.

I would be surprised if the Browns' first 3 picks were some combination of RB, WR, OT and/or CB (3 of those 4, probably not QB unless they take Tannehill).
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Passing on DeCastro....wha?
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Passing on DeCastro....wha?
The Bengals signed Travelle Wharton and have their fourth round pick from last year Clint Boling, who was a steal at that point, to step in at guard. Plus they could still re-sign Bobbie Williams.
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Scott, for the Bengal picks you are still looking at them from several years back. For the past 2 drafts they have not gone with the 'physical specimen' or the 'weak character' guy. As long as they stick to that, they would not pass on DeCastro for Brockers and they would in all likelihood pass on Jenkins.
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Scott, for the Bengal picks you are still looking at them from several years back. For the past 2 drafts they have not gone with the 'physical specimen' or the 'weak character' guy. As long as they stick to that, they would not pass on DeCastro for Brockers and they would in all likelihood pass on Jenkins.
Really?

A.J. Green = Physical Freak

Dontay Moch = Physical Freak + Workout Warrior

Robert Sands = Freakish Workout Warrior

And that is just last year.
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Really?

A.J. Green = Physical Freak

Dontay Moch = Physical Freak + Workout Warrior

Robert Sands = Freakish Workout Warrior

And that is just last year.
Sorry, I think this is a pretty awful mock for the Bengals.

When was the last time the Bengals spent a 1st round pick on a bad character guy? I honestly can't think of a single guy who would fit that category. Closest would maybe be Andre Smith (though it was more weight issues than a litany of off field legal problems and drug use with Jenkins).

In reality, the Bengals have passed on guys like Dez Bryant despite major needs at the position. If you go back to the draft press conference that year, Marvin didn't mention names but more or less admitted they thought Dez was more talented but passed due to the off field stuff saying they wanted a sure thing in the 1st round.

The Brockers pick isn't terrible and I think the Bengals could go D line if it was BPA, but a DE makes a lot more sense and I'd be pretty shocked if they passed on Decastro. I think if Decastro falls to 17 he is pretty close to a slam dunk.
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And that is just last year.
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Really?

A.J. Green = Physical Freak

Dontay Moch = Physical Freak + Workout Warrior

Robert Sands = Freakish Workout Warrior

And that is just last year.

Green was also a top 5 player and taken at #4. Sands and Moch were taken later, not in 1. The old Bengals draft style went for the likes of Jerome Simpson in 2. They also took Dalton in 2 who was hardly a physical speciman.

The team's success last year was based on the 2 previous drafts - on defense it was Dunlap and Aktins.

I think everyone assumes they still do the same things and with Mike Brown around there is always the chance to return but they do seem to have turned a corner in that regard.
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The chances of the Jets passing on Ingram is 0, especially for a one-dimensional Upshaw.

That said, I love you, if only for the fact that you see Ingram available at 16 in the first place :)
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The chances of the Jets passing on Ingram is 0, especially for a one-dimensional Upshaw.

That said, I love you, if only for the fact that you see Ingram available at 16 in the first place :)
Anything can obviously happen on draft day, but I tend to agree with this. Think Ryan and Pettine will value Ingram's superior (IMO) versatility, and he's a better athlete as well.
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The chances of the Jets passing on Ingram is 0, especially for a one-dimensional Upshaw.

That said, I love you, if only for the fact that you see Ingram available at 16 in the first place :)
Upshaw is actually a better fit for Rex Ryan's defense than Ingram.
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