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Janoris Jenkins disputes an NFL.com report that he was still smoking marijuana at North Alabama last season.
"I wasn't smoking marijuana at North Alabama," he said. "... I want to know why all of a sudden this is out there. Why didn't it come out after the Combine when I was straightforward with the scouts? The timing is very interesting to me." Jenkins' defensive coordinator backs up his story, insisting the cornerback did nothing to violate his zero-tolerance policy. While there's little doubt that Jenkins' stock has taken a hit due to character concerns, the latest report about his drug usage could well be a smokescreen.
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NFL executives and scouts were watching closely as Jenkins, one of the nation's best cover corners, migrated to Div. II North Alabama last year. His play was consistent with how he performed in three years as a Gator. But so were his off-field actions, which have included three arrests, positive drug tests, and four children with three women.

"It's not just his personal situation with the kids and different moms. This is a multiple offender of the drug policy in college, and it's not like there were no character concerns at North Alabama," said one AFC personnel executive. "He had multiple opportunities to get away from it. He didn't at Florida, and he went to North Alabama and he wasn't clean there.

"You just wish the situation at North Alabama was clean, that he had a rebirth, from a personal and football character standpoint. But it was more of the same."

Presented with the claims laid out by numerous NFL executives and scouts in this story, Jenkins' agent Malik Shareef provided a statement.

"Our talks with league GMs and scouts have been overwhelmingly positive," the agent said. "Most of these scouts believe that Janoris is the top cover corner in the draft and have been impressed with the way he has handled himself through the pre-draft process, from the Senior Bowl to the combine to team visits. He's been open and honest about his mistakes and has learned from them. He has demonstrated that he's fully dedicated to fulfilling his dreams of being a professional football player.

Wouldn't touch him in the first round'

Executives agreed that he is talented and has been honest about his issues, though it continues to trouble them that the drug use, by Jenkins' own admission, wasn't curtailed after he was thrown off Florida's team by coach Will Muschamp

"He's running with the wrong people," an NFC personnel executive said. "They gave him every chance in the world at Florida, and it didn't work. … And he gets to North Alabama, and he's still smoking because he's got this big-fish, little-pond thing going. I don't see him going in the first round, and a lot of teams have him off their board completely."

"Football-wise, people like [Jenkins]. He loves football, he competes and he's tough," said a second NFC executive. "But he's an immature kid. You see a lot of problems. ... With Dez, the biggest issue was that whether he was smart enough to figure out what he didn't know. That's when the NFL becomes too big for a kid, where maybe he's not a bad kid, but he's just not equipped to handle the rigors of being a pro athlete."

An AFC college scout made it simpler regarding Jenkins: "He's not a bad person. He just makes a lot of dumb, dumb mistakes. He just smokes and (has sex), and that's essentially what it is. … And there's just awful decision-making associated with that. I don't think he's a bad person. But he has a lot of soul-searching to do. I wouldn't touch him in the first round."

The testing isn't the issue in the minds of NFL decision-makers. After all, Jenkins has been open with them about his actions at North Alabama. They're aware that, even if he did pass the tests, his behavior didn't change.

"The problem is, at least my impression was, he doesn't see the error in his ways," said another AFC personnel director. "He came off like he doesn't see an issue with any of it. He doesn't think it's a big deal. And he thinks he's got it under control. … But Janoris' problems go far beyond the drug use. He's got four babies by three mamas, and he's not even in the league yet. That invites tons of problems and will make him a target when he gets into the league, too."

'He may be the best'

So where does this leave Jenkins? From a physical standpoint, he's tantalizing. And the fact that he possesses a premium skill, elite man-to-man coverage ability, likely will prevent the kind of free fall Hernandez experienced in 2010, a tumble that ended in the middle of the fourth round.

All of the executives, personnel men and scouts reached for this story said, from a strictly on-field standpoint, LSU's Morris Claiborne is the only player at the position they'd rank in front of Jenkins, whose size (5-foot-10, 193 pounds) seems to be his lone physical drawback.

"Physically, he may be the best," said another AFC college scout. "It's either him or Claiborne. But if someone takes him in the first round, I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna think it's a dumb move. … I wouldn't touch him in the first round under any circumstance."

Speculation holds that either Cincinnati or New England, both of whom have multiple first-round picks and a history of taking chances on players with character concerns, could be the team that takes Jenkins. The Rams are another logical landing spot -- Jenkins was in St. Louis on Monday, and the team has two high second-round picks and a coach in Jeff Fisher who's experienced in dealing with troubled young players
I hope he falls to the 2nd or 3rd round and the titans draft him.
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I hope he falls to the 2nd or 3rd round and the titans draft him.
I wouldn't touch him in the 2nd or 3rd. You talk about red flags, this dude IS a red flag. Why waste a valuable draft pick on someone who is almost certainly going to struggle to stay in the league.

Especially this year, the CB's are pretty deep, it would be risky biz to touch this guy before the 4th.

Guys like this, who are given 2nd & 3rd chances and still blow it don't just snap outta it. He's a low character dude that does not see the NFL as an opportunity, he's banking on his skill set to get in the league. Hand that dude a couple mil and C YA!
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I wouldn't touch him in the 2nd or 3rd. You talk about red flags, this dude IS a red flag. Why waste a valuable draft pick on someone who is almost certainly going to struggle to stay in the league.

Especially this year, the CB's are pretty deep, it would be risky biz to touch this guy before the 4th.

Guys like this, who are given 2nd & 3rd chances and still blow it don't just snap outta it. He's a low character dude that does not see the NFL as an opportunity, he's banking on his skill set to get in the league. Hand that dude a couple mil and C YA!
I can see the benjamins raining down on stage at the Mons Venus in Tampa with JJ cupping his nuts and waving a few G around ast the HOs are all buzzing like vultures on a penile carcas.
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In terms of talent, I could make a strong argument that he's better than Claiborne. A little smaller than Mo, but otherwise just as good or better. When a kid is that good he doesn't fall that far - someone always takes a chance and looking at the lack of depth at CB this year, I doubt he gets out of the second round. He should be a top 15 pick on pure talent.
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In terms of talent, I could make a strong argument that he's better than Claiborne. A little smaller than Mo, but otherwise just as good or better. When a kid is that good he doesn't fall that far - someone always takes a chance and looking at the lack of depth at CB this year, I doubt he gets out of the second round. He should be a top 15 pick on pure talent.
Agree, he has tremendous ball skills, doesn't miss tackles. Is it a "risk" to take a player with his risky reputation in the 2nd? For most, yeah, but with the skillset he brings to the table he could be exceptional.
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Why waste a valuable draft pick on someone who is almost certainly going to struggle to stay in the league.
Because by the time you get to the third round, you're already dealing with guy who are about as likely to be out of the league in a couple of years as they are to start. So when you have a potentially elite player still on the board, you take him. You don't have to like him. You're not hiring him to babysit your kids, you're hiring him to defend passes and knock the **** out of people. We really don't need to turn the draft into some kind of morality play every year. Every year, there are highly talented guys with character concerns, and every year those guys get drafted high. Sure, they might've been drafted higher if they weren't known to smoke weed, but they don't fall out of the draft. At most, and of course depending on their offenses, it more or less knocks them down a tier. Top-ten talents last into the 20s. First rounders go in the second or third. Elite prospects simply don't fall through the cracks, because there are always teams willing to give them a shot at getting their **** together on account of their talent, and it doesn't take very long for the talent of these "red flag" guys to be so far beyond the talent of the prospects on the teams' draft boards that they say, "**** it, we're taking him." Everyone in the room knows there's that chance of the player flaming out, but lets be honest: there are plenty of great guys who flame out of the league without being bad people, and ultimately, NFL decision-makers are in the business of winning football games. Even a coach who thinks Janoris is a shithead at some point sees his potential outweighing his risk and takes him. People like us, who don't think it's fair that a 22 year-old kid with no impulse control has an opportunity to make millions of dollars off of a talent he was born with, want to see him fail. People think, "I don't want to give this kid a chance because he's been taking advantage of chances for years." And you'd be justified in thinking that. Thing is, that's just not how the NFL works.
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maybe true but the man is good, like real good. i dont think hes like pacman jones red flag, hes more like santonio holmes red flag. smokes weed, has babies. maybe not the most reliable pick long term but could be worth the risk
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maybe true but the man is good, like real good. i dont think hes like pacman jones red flag, hes more like santonio holmes red flag. smokes weed, has babies. maybe not the most reliable pick long term but could be worth the risk
Yea, but smoking weed is what you do when you don't have money, the gun slingin' while 'making it rain' at the strip club is what soon ensues when you land a mil or two.

A mistake or two in college is OK. But when kicked outta a top notch D1 school, then given the second chance at a school like NBAMA, by all means man; TAKE ADVANTAGE. He's either extremely arrogant, or flat out stupid...I am gonna guess #2.
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So...weed is a gateway to gun slinging?
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So...weed is a gateway to gun slinging?
In JJ's case, i'd take that bet.


It's about character (or lack of), and he has given us all good reasons to think he is not responsible enough to handle a role in the NFL.
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In JJ's case, i'd take that bet.


It's about character (or lack of), and he has given us all good reasons to think he is not responsible enough to handle a role in the NFL.
Weed leads to gunslinging.


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At this point i would only spend a 5th or 6th Round on him. He may be very talented, but way to many red flags to spend a decent draft pick on him.
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Even that's kinda in question right now. Are you drafting Janoris Jenkins CB Florida or Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama? Because they were two very different players. After he got the boot from UF, where he dominated SEC WR's, he went to Div. II and looked so-so.

I'd still say the guy is worth a late 2nd early 3rd round pick. I can't imagine what'll happen when you put hundreds of thousands of dollars in this guys bank account, but he does have some upside physically.
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Even that's kinda in question right now. Are you drafting Janoris Jenkins CB Florida or Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama? Because they were two very different players. After he got the boot from UF, where he dominated SEC WR's, he went to Div. II and looked so-so.

I'd still say the guy is worth a late 2nd early 3rd round pick. I can't imagine what'll happen when you put hundreds of thousands of dollars in this guys bank account, but he does have some upside physically.
He was bored stiff at N. Alabama watching the QB throw to the other side of the field all day.
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He was bored stiff at N. Alabama watching the QB throw to the other side of the field all day.
This x9001. I was at 6 UNA games this year. I could count on both hands how many times they threw at him
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lol @ whoever said that the next step from smoking weed is making it rain and shooting up strip joints. that statement is ridiculously awesome.

but yeah, the guy has to get his **** together. he's a top-notch player, i'd still take him 2nd day since it seems nobody will pull the trigger on him 1st round.
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Dude weed isn't that good and condoms aren't expensive.
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I would take him in the third for sure, and in the second depending on value. He's just too good to not.
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He's not even draftable for me. Pacman Jones 2.0
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He's not even draftable for me. Pacman Jones 2.0
A little strong. Jones had a documented violence problem. I'm not sure Jenkins is another Pacman just a knucklehead who has a discipline problem.

My team needs a CB and I wouldn't be too pleased if we took him in the 2nd.
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Throwing away an NFL career, one blunt at a time.

definitely draftable, but he'd know the first legal mistake and he's out. Without a question or appeal.
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