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Old 04-26-2012, 10:43 PM    (permalink
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I give props to the teams that traded up. Cleveland, Jacksonville, Dallas, Philly and New England. I thought they all got great players, who filled needs.

I have no idea what Seattle was doing. Irvin was a mid-second rounder at best.

San Diego got the best value in any player given the fact most everyone thought Ingram was a top 10 guy. And he fills a major need.

Brandon Weedon. Not a shock, but I'm not sure about that one. Guess we'll find out sooner rather then later given he's almost 30.

Surprised DeCastro fell as far as he did, given everyone thought he was a top 15 guy. Great pick for Steelers.

Thought the G-Men could have done better at the bottom of round 1. But RB is a need area and Wilson was going to go Mid-2nd.

What do you guys think?
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I give props to the teams that traded up. Cleveland, Jacksonville, Dallas, Philly and New England. I thought they all got great players, who filled needs.

I have no idea what Seattle was doing. Irvin was a mid-second rounder at best.

San Diego got the best value in any player given the fact most everyone thought Ingram was a top 10 guy. And he fills a major need.

Brandon Weedon. Not a shock, but I'm not sure about that one. Guess we'll find out sooner rather then later given he's almost 30.

Surprised DeCastro fell as far as he did, given everyone thought he was a top 15 guy. Great pick for Steelers.

Thought the G-Men could have done better at the bottom of round 1. But RB is a need area and Wilson was going to go Mid-2nd.

What do you guys think?
I think FIRE PHIL EMERY.

I also think Jay Cutler is stupid for not demanding a trade.
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Lots of shocking picks. Irvin to the Seahawks is lol
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How did we get DeCastro?!?!?!

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Irvin is a better pass rusher than everyone he was drafted over.
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Irvin is a better pass rusher than everyone he was drafted over.
Everyone is lol the pick? I don't get it... If he goes to jail then yeah it was a bad pick, but as just a 3rd down rusher for his first year or two the guy might put up 8 to 10 sacks a year.
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Everyone is lol the pick? I don't get it... If he goes to jail then yeah it was a bad pick, but as just a 3rd down rusher for his first year or two the guy might put up 8 to 10 sacks a year.
Yep, agree. Aldon Smith had a similar role with the 49ers last year (he was also considered a huge reach at #7 overall) and ended up with 14 sacks and second in the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. Not to mention that both the 49ers and Ravens (the 49ers made it all the way to where they promised to take Irvin with their first round pick if he made it there) were linked to Irvin in the first. From the sounds of that the Seahawks wouldn't have had a whiff of him at #43.
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Yep, agree. Aldon Smith had a similar role with the 49ers last year (he was also considered a huge reach at #7 overall) and ended up with 14 sacks and second in the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. Not to mention that both the 49ers and Ravens (the 49ers made it all the way to where they promised to take Irvin with their first round pick if he made it there) were linked to Irvin in the first. From the sounds of that the Seahawks wouldn't have had a whiff of him at #43.
I don't think too many people were calling Aldon Smith a huge reach last year. Actually he was a consensus top 15 guy. Smith is also far superior to Irvin, so that really makes the comparison moot.
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I don't think too many people were calling Aldon Smith a huge reach last year. Actually he was a consensus top 15 guy. Smith is also far superior to Irvin, so that really makes the comparison moot.
Yeah uh, there were definitely a lot of people calling Smith a reach.
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I don't think too many people were calling Aldon Smith a huge reach last year. Actually he was a consensus top 15 guy. Smith is also far superior to Irvin, so that really makes the comparison moot.
I wasn't directly comparing the two, I was comparing how they were (will) be used. Smith was a pure pass rusher last year who didn't play much on rushing downs. Does that mean that he shouldn't have been a first round pick? Well no, since he had 14 sacks he was a good pick. Not saying that Irvin will have 14 sacks in his rookie year but if he can get a decent amount and produce and turn into a starter down the line then he'll have been worth a first rounder too. Honestly, grading picks after they first happen is stupid. It can be a few years before some of these guys click and that's the only time when you should actually grade a draft.
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Yep, agree. Aldon Smith had a similar role with the 49ers last year (he was also considered a huge reach at #7 overall) and ended up with 14 sacks and second in the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. Not to mention that both the 49ers and Ravens (the 49ers made it all the way to where they promised to take Irvin with their first round pick if he made it there) were linked to Irvin in the first. From the sounds of that the Seahawks wouldn't have had a whiff of him at #43.
I have to say, though, that after listening to his interview on KJR is Seattle after the pick, Irvin strikes me as being a bit of a loose cannon. He completely threw his college coaches under the bus, saying that he "had 23 sacks without any passrushing coaching whatsoever, so just imagine what I could do with a coach who actually knows what's going on." When asked about his off-field issues, his reply was, "Yeah, I got in some trouble, but the Lord knows it was all BS." He also said something along the lines of, "I can't wait for my teammates to teach me how to be a great player on and off the field."

Pete Carroll pretty much blew it all off as unimportant. So maybe he really believes in this kid and thinks he is a great kid with a rough past. I just can't help but thinking that this kid really doesn't have a clue as far as what is expected and how much more scrutiny he will be under as an NFL player.
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I have to say, though, that after listening to his interview on KJR is Seattle after the pick, Irvin strikes me as being a bit of a loose cannon. He completely threw his college coaches under the bus, saying that he "had 23 sacks without any passrushing coaching whatsoever, so just imagine what I could do with a coach who actually knows what's going on." When asked about his off-field issues, his reply was, "Yeah, I got in some trouble, but the Lord knows it was all BS." He also said something along the lines of, "I can't wait for my teammates to teach me how to be a great player on and off the field."

Pete Carroll pretty much blew it all off as unimportant. So maybe he really believes in this kid and thinks he is a great kid with a rough past. I just can't help but thinking that this kid really doesn't have a clue as far as what is expected and how much more scrutiny he will be under as an NFL player.
His ego is at an all time high right now and he's excited. He's big on twitter and really takes what people say about him to heart. But I will say this, he'll be there to work and he will only get better. It's no secret that WVU had no idea how to coach this kid up but it's a very reckless thing to say coming from him, where WVU gave him a shot after being out of school and in jail then going to a community college. I expected him to be more grateful than the quotes imply.

I bolded what I really agree with. He's flying out to Seattle today per his twitter and I'm sure he'll get a nice little talk from the head ball coach as well as people in the front office.
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I have to say, though, that after listening to his interview on KJR is Seattle after the pick, Irvin strikes me as being a bit of a loose cannon. He completely threw his college coaches under the bus, saying that he "had 23 sacks without any passrushing coaching whatsoever, so just imagine what I could do with a coach who actually knows what's going on." When asked about his off-field issues, his reply was, "Yeah, I got in some trouble, but the Lord knows it was all BS." He also said something along the lines of, "I can't wait for my teammates to teach me how to be a great player on and off the field."

Pete Carroll pretty much blew it all off as unimportant. So maybe he really believes in this kid and thinks he is a great kid with a rough past. I just can't help but thinking that this kid really doesn't have a clue as far as what is expected and how much more scrutiny he will be under as an NFL player.
I think you hit it right on the head. This was a very huge gamble by Seattle and generally these types of gambles turnout for he worse. Very questionable selection that high by Seattle to say the least but there is always a ray of hope but the pick made zero sense to me.
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Everyone is lol the pick? I don't get it... If he goes to jail then yeah it was a bad pick, but as just a 3rd down rusher for his first year or two the guy might put up 8 to 10 sacks a year.
And his ceiling is....................

With a coaching staff that helped develop Chris Clemons, Brandon Browner, and multiple late-round picks into very good players.
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Aren't you the dude who went to WVU, or am I thinking of someone else
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I wanted Tannehill but I'm really happy that we got Poe. Not a bad consolation prize.
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I hope the Lions go all in on the offensive line and try to get Konz or Martin in the second, as well as OL in round three.
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Steelers win as usual...

It's like they are Jedi Masters using their powers to guide the guys who fit best to them... DeCastro at their pick is just disgusting good.
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I like the Texans pick with Mercilus but I would have picked Zeitler or Glenn at 26 instead. I would have considered trading up a few picks and getting DeCastro as well.
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It's like they are Jedi Masters using their powers to guide the guys who fit best to them... DeCastro at their pick is just disgusting good.
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3 RBs in the 1st is silly.

Cleveland trading up for Weeden is hilarious but sad.

DeCastro was a steal at 24.

Pats moving up twice was a shock.

Irvin was massively overdrafted.

Lots of great prospects left for round two.
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Cleveland trading up for Weeden is hilarious but sad.
Didn't trade up but didn't make the pick any less of a waste.

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My thought is, I love how everyone looks at a bunch of mock drafts and then sees a guy go a round earlier than the mocks and thinks "They coulda got him in round 2!!!!!!"

Sorry guys, it doesn't work like that. Just because a bunch of amateur scouts think a guy is a 2nd rounder doesn't mean the pro scouts do.
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My thought is, I love how everyone looks at a bunch of mock drafts and then sees a guy go a round earlier than the mocks and thinks "They coulda got him in round 2!!!!!!"

Sorry guys, it doesn't work like that. Just because a bunch of amateur scouts think a guy is a 2nd rounder doesn't mean the pro scouts do.
Hold on, so could you possibly be saying the term "reach" is over used? DON'T YOU ******* DARE
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