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funny thing is we all made fun of him and that selection for a while. theres a good chance DHB will have more catched, yds, and TDs than crabtree next year. WOAH
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funny thing is we all made fun of him and that selection for a while. theres a good chance DHB will have more catched, yds, and TDs than crabtree next year. WOAH
And there's a chance he won't. With absolutely nothing opposite him, and zero training camps, Crabtree still manages to put up more productive seasons than Vernon Davis. Yet everyone seems to think Crabs is a bust. He's been very good. His problem is that he doesn't get redzone opportunities.
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And there's a chance he won't. With absolutely nothing opposite him, and zero training camps, Crabtree still manages to put up more productive seasons than Vernon Davis. Yet everyone seems to think Crabs is a bust. He's been very good. His problem is that he doesn't get redzone opportunities.
i said next year..... with randy moss, aj jenkins, vernon davis, along with RBs kendall hunter and lamichael james (good receivers out of the backfield in their own right).... you really think crabtree will put up more numbers than DHB? i dont see it..
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i said next year..... with randy moss, aj jenkins, vernon davis, along with RBs kendall hunter and lamichael james (good receivers out of the backfield in their own right).... you really think crabtree will put up more numbers than DHB? i dont see it..
Who knows? But he's capable. You could substitute all of those names with Denarius Moore, Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford, Darren McFadden, Mike Goodson, Taiwan Jones, and Juron Criner and have the same argument.
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And there's a chance he won't. With absolutely nothing opposite him, and zero training camps, Crabtree still manages to put up more productive seasons than Vernon Davis. Yet everyone seems to think Crabs is a bust. He's been very good. His problem is that he doesn't get redzone opportunities.
As impressive as a team's #1 WR outproducing their TE is...I'm not sure that's true. Y'know, using math and stuff.

I also totally buy into him being a very good WR, and the fact that the 49ers spent the offseason signing Randy Moss, Mario Manningham, and using their 1st RD pick on a WR was just insurance in case he wrecks his Huffy or something.

Maybe he'll get more redzone opportunities if he shows up to a training camp at some point in his career?
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His problem is that he doesn't get redzone opportunities.
That's because he likes to drop balls, he doesn't gain separation, and he's average at best after the catch.

Heyward-Bey had all of these problems...and he's spent 3 off-seasons working on them...unlike somebody. DHB learned to ignore the criticism and work his ass off and made no excuses...someone else decided he'd like to make excuses and take off-seasons off.

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With absolutely nothing opposite him,
DHB has had no one opposite of him either, and it makes me cringe to say this since Alice Smith isn't the greatest, but he's actually had worse QBs. Moore gives hope, but DHB still did a lot of damage while Moore was out. He also needed time to come back from his own injury to start clicking with Palmer. With both of them healthy and a full off-season for them and Palmer...and a healthy Run DMC...Oakland will have a pretty explosive offense for probably 3 weeks until everyone gets injured again.

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As impressive as a team's #1 WR outproducing their TE is...I'm not sure that's true. Y'know, using math and stuff.
Math and stuff?

Crabtree (2011) - 72 Rec | 875 Yds | 4 TDs
V. Davis (2011) - 67 Rec | 792 Yds | 6 TDs
D.H.B. (2011) --- 64 Rec | 975 Yds | 4 TDs

Oh yes, laud DHB for production while bashing Crabtree.

This isn't a bash of DHB. I actually really liked him coming out. It's just the hypocrisy of complimenting one while criticizing the other.

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Or perhaps Moss (1 year deal,) Manningham (2 year deal,) and Jenkins (drafted) were added because Kyle Williams, Brett Swain, and Joe Hastings were the #3,4,5 WRs behind Crabtree and Ginn.

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That's the hope. Perhaps his feet will stay healthy this offseason.
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Heyward-Bey had all of these problems...and he's spent 3 off-seasons working on them...unlike somebody. DHB learned to ignore the criticism and work his ass off and made no excuses...someone else decided he'd like to make excuses and take off-seasons off.
I'd be happy to read a report where Crabtree was making excuses and missing training camp due to anything other than an injury. His hold-out 3 seasons ago is noted.
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He still has Carson Palmer throwing him the ball. I'd wait before we put DHB on any top 5 lists.
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DHB has been on a steady rise, he's improved every season and isn't injury prone. He and Palmer have developed a good relationship this off season working out in SoCal. Now bring in Moore, Ford, Murphy and rookie Juron Criner(who made some awesome catches today at the OTA's) and we should have a very strong group for the future.
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Had almost 1,000 yards receiving in 15 games last season.

What?
What's the "what" about?

Pretty much everyone here liked him as a prospect. Pretty much everyone here knew he was raw. Pretty much everyone here knew it would take a few years of development. Pretty much everyone figured he'd turn out to be a 1000-yard field-stretcher but not a super dominant CJ/Fitz/Andre type of receiver.

DHB is on track to do exactly what everyone thought he would do in the time frame everyone thought he'd do it in.
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What's the "what" about?

Pretty much everyone here liked him as a prospect. Pretty much everyone here knew he was raw. Pretty much everyone here knew it would take a few years of development. Pretty much everyone figured he'd turn out to be a 1000-yard field-stretcher but not a super dominant CJ/Fitz/Andre type of receiver.

DHB is on track to do exactly what everyone thought he would do in the time frame everyone thought he'd do it in.
I recall a litany of Troy Williamson comparisons and proclimations that he would be a bust. But believe what you want.
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I think the 49ers quarterback name is Alex Smith actually. Don't quote me on that though.
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Oh really? Alex Smith...doesn't sound right...you sure it isn't Alexis? I don't know...still pretty sure it's Alice...
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Oh really? Alex Smith...doesn't sound right...you sure it isn't Alexis? I don't know...still pretty sure it's Alice...
Perhaps you have dyslexia?

There is a site I've heard of called NFL.com.

Rumor has it they may hold the key to the true nature of this paradigm.

Hmmm...maybe this link can help you.

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Eh...doesn't seem like a good source. My sources have always told me that SF had some evil queen with plucked eyebrows for a QB named Alice Smith.

However, I heard there's a new Kaep Crusader in town. The hero SF deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
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You guys are both right, IIRC. DHB has been about as good as most people expected him to be. What people didn't expect, was for Oakland to draft him where they did. THAT caused people to laugh their asses off and predict that he would bust in Oakland.

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I like DHB and his upside more but I think Crabtree is solid and I think he is better at getting yac than people give him credit for.
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Pretty much everyone here liked him as a prospect. Pretty much everyone here knew he was raw. Pretty much everyone here knew it would take a few years of development. Pretty much everyone figured he'd turn out to be a 1000-yard field-stretcher but not a super dominant CJ/Fitz/Andre type of receiver.

DHB is on track to do exactly what everyone thought he would do in the time frame everyone thought he'd do it in.
That last part is inaccurate. He's not a very good downfield receiver. He is, however, developing into a very good possession receiver. Most of his catches were on outs and come backs. It's really quite puzzling, but also great to see.
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That last part is inaccurate. He's not a very good downfield receiver. He is, however, developing into a very good possession receiver. Most of his catches were on outs and come backs. It's really quite puzzling, but also great to see.
This is true. I thought we just got a guy who can run in a straight line, really fast. Last season that wasn't the case at all, he was running good routes, breaking tackles and actually catching the ball. Its very surprising but I'll take it.
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Old 05-19-2012, 09:42 AM    (permalink
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whatadai,

I am just curious, but are you a 9ers fan or fan of another team?
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Hey look how cool and funny i am lol i am calling another teams qb by a girlie name lol this is so witty
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Hey look how cool and funny i am lol i am calling another teams qb by a girlie name lol this is so witty
Hey look how cool and funny i am lol i'm trying to make fun of someone on the internet when i don't know the fact that niner fans were the one to come up with the name first
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Hey look how cool and funny i am lol i am calling another teams qb by a girlie name lol this is so witty
Being witty...I hear it does wonders for your persona...on the internet.
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