2012 NFLDC Top 10 CB

Giantsfan1080 · 06-29-2012, 07:15 PM

1. Darrelle Revis, New York Jets (170) UNANIMOUS
2. Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns (112)
3. Nnamdi Asomugha, Philadelphia Eagles (110)
4. Johnathan Joseph, Houston Texans (89)
5. Brandon Flowers, Kansas City Chiefs (69)
5. Lardarius Webb, Baltimore Ravens (69)
7. Charles Woodson, Green Bay Packers (60)
8. Champ Bailey, Denver Broncos (40)
9. Carlos Rogers, San Francisco 49ers (30)
9. Corey Webster, New York Giants (30)

*Vote Total in Parentheses

Bulldogs · 06-29-2012, 07:20 PM

I think one of either Brent Grimes or Asante Samuel deserved a spot but I could see why it'd be close.

Giantsfan1080 · 06-29-2012, 07:21 PM

Grimes and Samuel were the two next guys with 29 points each.

Bulldogs · 06-29-2012, 07:23 PM

There's alot of good corners, Chris Gamble and Ike Taylor are other names that deserve consideration. I personally wouldn't put Webb top 10 yet.

VAfy-ya · 06-29-2012, 07:28 PM

Very surprised to see Rogers on the list. A couple of ints can change your perception as a CB or a safety. Its the truth because he's still basically the same CB he was in D.C. Solid in all areas, just catching the ball now instead.

Splat · 06-29-2012, 07:32 PM

I really wasn't expecting to see Flowers get so much love. :)

TACKLE · 06-29-2012, 07:41 PM

This is actually a very solid list. CB is one of the tougher groups because it's Revis and then a big mash of everybody else. The only objection I would have would be no PP7 but I understand there's varying criteria based on previous production vs. prospective (2012 season) production.

fenikz · 06-29-2012, 07:42 PM

no Patrick Peterson lol

XxXdragonXxX · 06-29-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

no Patrick Peterson lol

If you're putting Peterson on there, Sherman should be on there to, ahead of Peterson.

Reality is neither should be on there til they prove it.

vidae · 06-29-2012, 07:51 PM

I had both PP7 and Haden on my list, but I think Haden is a tad overrated here. Still good to great, but no way is he that high.

<3 the Flowers love.

Bulldogs · 06-29-2012, 07:59 PM

PP7 is great, but no way would I rank him top 10 yet.

Giantsfan1080 · 06-29-2012, 08:30 PM

I don't think Peterson is top 10 yet after a half of a year. He did struggle a bit early on before he got things going. When we do this next year he'll for sure be in the top 10. I think Webster is still a little underrated by a few spot but he doesn't get much pub ever.

TACKLE · 06-29-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs

I guess where we differ is that I'm ranking them based on who I'd take in a game today, maybe I missed the criteria.

See, I like that criteria. However, if that is your criteria then you need to recognize that PP improved significantly throughout the season and teams really started avoiding him because he was playing like a top 10 CB down the stretch. Now factor in that year one to year two is where players make their biggest jump, it's safe to assume he continue to take big steps forward from where he ended off. Steve Smith beating him in week 1 or Nicks beating him in week 4 is not indicative of the player he is today.

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

When we do this next year he'll for sure be in the top 10.

Then wouldn't that mean he was a top 10 CB in 2012?

fenikz · 06-29-2012, 08:48 PM

it says 2012 top 10 CB not 2011

Bulldogs · 06-29-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

it says 2012 top 10 CB not 2011

I guess where we differ is that I'm ranking them based on who I'd take in a game today, maybe I missed the criteria.

VAfy-ya · 06-29-2012, 08:57 PM

PP has no business being on anyone top 10 CB list....unless your a Cards fan of course. Richard Sherman looks like the better CB to this point and if he isnt being debated, why should Peterson?

Ness · 06-29-2012, 10:56 PM

I really like Webb. Best corner no one talks about.

TACKLE · 06-30-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

I really like Webb. Best corner no one talks about.

Who among us can resist the opportunity to hype a player on our team when a fan from another team brings up him up?!?

When we go to our sub packages, Webb actually kicks inside and I am confident in saying he is the best nickelback in the league. I can't think of any CB's outside of Revis who could play both the pass and the run both inside and outside as well as Webb (he's also a very good return man). There are probably a couple better pure outside cover men (J-Jo, Nnamdi) but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a more well rounded CB in the league than Webb. His progression from 2010 to 2011 was as significant as any player in the league.

And GF, I understand why some would be reluctant to put PP that high this early, I do. I personally was just super impressed with how he played towards the end of the season which is why I think I hold him in a higher regard in the first place. From that impression I factor in what he brings to the table ability-wise.

*For the record I like the no criteria. Makes it more open, more diverse, doesn't help/hurt some players rankings and ultimately leaves more room for discussion.

K Train · 06-29-2012, 11:03 PM

webb, rodgers and even bailey and woodson have no part on this list above webster

woodson was not that good last year, im sure he'll be seeing more safety action.

cant really argue with 1-5 though

Ness · 06-30-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by K Train

webb, rodgers and even bailey and woodson have no part on this list above webster

woodson was not that good last year, im sure he'll be seeing more safety action.

cant really argue with 1-5 though

Webster was targeted a lot last season, among the league's top ten most targeted. Just saying. Not sure why you believe he should be higher than the other guys, especially Webb who had a fantastic season.

Giantsfan1080 · 06-29-2012, 11:13 PM

There was no specific criteria that I wanted to everyone to use. I wanted everyone to just use their own judgement based on whatever they want. I didn't vote to make it fair but I would be one to think you're not a top 10 guy until you prove it. PP didn't proved it over a full year yet but he has a great potential to that in 2012.

Giantsfan1080 · 06-30-2012, 12:45 AM

Who cares if Webster was targeted? He's been shutdown since the game against the Bills in 08. He's struggled in a game against Jackson and that's it. I also don't believe these target numbers.

Ness · 06-30-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Who cares if Webster was targeted? He's been shutdown since the game against the Bills in 08. He's struggled in a game against Jackson and that's it. I also don't believe these target numbers.

Corey Webster a shut down corner? Sorry, shut down to me means someone playing on the level of a Darrell Revis, Champ Bailey, Rod Woodson, or Deion Sanders in their prime. Hall of Fame type guys. Webster is good (especially that season in 2008), but in response to the other poster, saying that he shouldn't be below everyone else "just because" is kind of weak in my opinion.

Here are the numbers of the most targeted cornerbacks according to Pro Football Focus:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-2011-numbers/

Believe what you want.

VAfy-ya · 06-30-2012, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Corey Webster a shut down corner? Sorry, shut down to me means someone playing on the level of a Darrell Revis, Champ Bailey, Rod Woodson, or Deion Sanders in their prime. Hall of Fame type guys. Webster is good (especially that season in 2008), but in response to the other poster, saying that he shouldn't be below everyone else "just because" is kind of weak in my opinion.

Here are the numbers of the most targeted cornerbacks according to Pro Football Focus:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-2011-numbers/

Believe what you want.

I have to side with the Giants fans on this one. I've always been a Webster fan and thought he was easily the most underrated CB in the league. He's been playing at a high level for a long time. He may be slowing down just a tad, but he's still pretty good. I think he's top 5 material. You can make cases for alot of guys. There's alot of CB talent in the league and there is always going to be some ppl who believe their guy doesn't get enough love. But I think in Webster case its true because I never hear ppl talk about him when the mention best CBs in the league.

NY+Giants=NYG · 06-30-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by VAfy-ya

I have to side with the Giants fans on this one. I've always been a Webster fan and thought he was easily the most underrated CB in the league. He's been playing at a high level for a long time. He may be slowing down just a tad, but he's still pretty good. I think he's top 5 material. You can make cases for alot of guys. There's alot of CB talent in the league and there is always going to be some ppl who believe their guy doesn't get enough love. But I think in Webster case its true because I never hear ppl talk about him when the mention best CBs in the league.

The problem with those stats and other stuff like that is it doesn't give the big picture. Mind you we had 5 Cbs on IR, so in order to compensate we'd bring a sky safety down on the opposite site so compensate. At one point we had Rolle in the slot playing CB as well. So instead of getting owned on the opposite site, we would compensate and get Qbs to throw to the side where we weren't trying to compensate. Basically QBs instead of forcing it were taking what we gave them which was Webster on their X.

Webster has been our guy throughout both super bowl runs. He is always on X, from what I see, and has done a good job. He is a solid guy who doesn't get that much press.