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Discuss the upcoming game against the Ravens here.

I cannot go to this game because I am still sick, but I don't think that is a bad thing. This could get ugly fast.
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47 - 10 Ravens

Four turnovers for Cassel 2 ints and 2 fumbles. Brady Quinn comes in late in the 4th quarter and doesn't look any better.
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so what do you guys think about the flyover tomorrow?
I don't like it at all, but I can see the reasoning behind it. People are frustrated and upset, and they have every right to be. I still don't like it though.
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I don't like it at all, but I can see the reasoning behind it. People are frustrated and upset, and they have every right to be. I still don't like it though.
yeah i agree, i'm upset more than usual this season but i still wouldnt donate for this.
last time i looked at the thread at CP there was almost 2 thousand in donations for the flyover.
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so what do you guys think about the flyover tomorrow?
It's a waste of money it will change nothing. I'm not saying I don't agree with the upset fans but it's pretty pointless.
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It's a waste of money it will change nothing. I'm not saying I don't agree with the upset fans but it's pretty pointless.
i think they want to quote twisted sister to Clark "they're not gonna take it".

this is year four of Pioli and this team plays like it's the Herm Edwards team of 5 years ago.
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Clark doesnt live here and i could see him not knowing the extent of Chiefs frustrations. i believe he isn't happy with the product, but does he get how much money this could cost him if he stays put like his father did? this flyover will show him exactly how mad we are. it is a simple way of making sure he understands our point of view. i bet that flyover gets the biggest cheer of the day. i only hope that i can hear it over the TV.

as far as the game, i think it will be ugly fast. Cassel is fighting for his career and is doing that against Baltimores D. Oooohhh-wwweeeee thats a daunting task. he will fold quickly leaving his teammates to try and salvage the game with a BU. Quinn will suck too. on a positive note, i believe JC will have a really good game. Bowe gets another slop time TD

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The only thing that will make the FO stand up and take notice is people not showing up for games.
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That people think Pioli should be fired and Cassel be benched for Brady Quinn is just dumb. They've apparently never seen Brady Quinn play football before and are probably listening to too much local radio.

What did Pioli do or not do that he should(n't) have? What's wrong with the roster? Nothing. It's one of the best rosters in the NFL. The only semi-legit gripe is not signing Carr, but I think everyone was in agreement that the contract Carr was asking for and got wouldn't have been a very good move. People saying it should be "blown up" are out of their minds.

For the QB, he tried to get Peyton Manning. Other than that, there weren't better options than Cassel and they liked Stanzi a lot. Maybe the latter was a mistake? Maybe Zorn needs to be fired?

The problems with this team early on are very simply with the coaching staff. The team comes out flat every game and makes little mistakes. That's why they lose and that's something that is always on the coaching staff. I'm not sure if they can fix it, but they have to. I worried that it would take Daboll time to get the offense together (it did for Weis and Haley). The rest of it is on Romeo, which sucks because he's such a great coach/person.

If this team can get to 2-4 or 3-3 with the way the rest of the schedule looks and Daboll can get the offense together during the Bye week, I still like their chances this year.
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That people think Pioli should be fired and Cassel be benched for Brady Quinn is just dumb. They've apparently never seen Brady Quinn play football before and are probably listening to too much local radio.

What did Pioli do or not do that he should(n't) have? What's wrong with the roster? Nothing. It's one of the best rosters in the NFL. The only semi-legit gripe is not signing Carr, but I think everyone was in agreement that the contract Carr was asking for and got wouldn't have been a very good move. People saying it should be "blown up" are out of their minds.

For the QB, he tried to get Peyton Manning. Other than that, there weren't better options than Cassel and they liked Stanzi a lot. Maybe the latter was a mistake? Maybe Zorn needs to be fired?

The problems with this team early on are very simply with the coaching staff. The team comes out flat every game and makes little mistakes. That's why they lose and that's something that is always on the coaching staff. I'm not sure if they can fix it, but they have to. I worried that it would take Daboll time to get the offense together (it did for Weis and Haley). The rest of it is on Romeo, which sucks because he's such a great coach/person.

If this team can get to 2-4 or 3-3 with the way the rest of the schedule looks and Daboll can get the offense together during the Bye week, I still like their chances this year.
Do you work in the Chiefs PR department?

What did Pioli do? Drafted pretty poorly in his four years here for one. Signed Matt Cassel to begin with for another. Hiring RAC as HC was obviously a mistake. Failing to bring in actual competition for Cassel is another.

In four years this team looks just as bad as when he got here. The Patriots Way ******** doesn't work here. It only works when you have Tom Brady. His draft philosophy is flawed and doesn't produce many top line players.

And I'm sorry, but Peyton Manning didn't want to come here because of Pioli. Neither did Cowher or Fisher. When he is directly responsible for some free agents and coaches not giving us the time of day, he has to go.

This is a 3-5 win team right now. The talent level clearly isn't as high as we thought it was and the coaching staff is hot garbage. Pioli and the entire staff need to go. Four years is plenty of time to make your mark on a club, and right now he's clearly failed to do so.

It's time, and good riddance.
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Why would you ever want competition for your starting QB? When has that ever worked out? It never does. Just causes issues. I don't think Cassel is handling the pressure very well. He looked great in the first half against Atlanta and through the first drive of the second half, then has looked completely different (and not like he's looked at all since he's been here) since.

Cassel hasn't been bad in KC. He hasn't been Superman, but he's been average to good. He's only been "bad" the last few games. He has a confidence issue and he needs to get over it. He's still infinitely better than Quinn. I don't have any problem with bringing in Quinn as the backup. To me, who a team brings in for that spot should be up to the OC. That's why I didn't have a problem with Palko, either. If that's the guy the guy running the offense is comfortable with, I'm fine with that. The way I look at it, your season is likely ****** no matter what if your starting QB goes down.

Cowher and Fisher wanted to shop for their own groceries. That means Pioli would be hiring them and then taking a backseat to doing his job. Fisher would have been great, but he's so traumatized by the situation with his last GM, he refuses to work with another. And there really weren't any good options out there

Peyton not coming here didn't have anything to do with winning or Pioli, necessarily. It was more about the actual city, from what I recall.

People will rattle those guys off and completely look over that they were able to bring Routt, Boss, Winston, and Hillis in and signed them before they visited another team. Those were top of the wire guys at their respective positions and Pioli got them all signed relatively easily. All 4 cited the organization and direction of the team as the main reasons they came here.
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Why would you ever want competition for your starting QB? When has that ever worked out? It never does. Just causes issues. I don't think Cassel is handling the pressure very well. He looked great in the first half against Atlanta and through the first drive of the second half, then has looked completely different (and not like he's looked at all since he's been here) since.
Why would you want competition? WHY? Because our starter is Matt Cassel. And even more to the point, having a solid to good backup QB is not a luxury anymore, it's NECESSITY. What if your starter goes down?

I can't believe you even asked that. This is the NFL, not college football.

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Cassel hasn't been bad in KC. He hasn't been Superman, but he's been average to good. He's only been "bad" the last few games. He has a confidence issue and he needs to get over it.
He hasn't been bad? We must be watching different games. He was awful in 2009 (queue the excuses here), he was bad in a few games in 2010, he was GOD AWFUL in the playoffs, and he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire last year before he got hurt. Matt Cassel has been average at best, and benchable most of the other time.

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Cowher and Fisher wanted to shop for their own groceries. That means Pioli would be hiring them and then taking a backseat to doing his job. Fisher would have been great, but he's so traumatized by the situation with his last GM, he refuses to work with another. And there really weren't any good options out there.
You're right, instead of working with the HC in the draft Pioli wanted complete control. Complete. Control. I don't know many big name HCs who would be okay with that. This goes back to Pioli being a control freak and thinking he's smarter than everyone else. Look at his track history in the draft and free agency since coming to KC.. it's pretty clear he's not.

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Peyton not coming here didn't have anything to do with winning or Pioli, necessarily. It was more about the actual city, from what I recall.
Yes, it did. Peyton didn't want to play in one of the toughest stadiums in the NFL? He didn't want to play for one of the most rabid fanbases this league has ever seen? Give me a break. He didn't want to play on a team that was run by Pioli, and I don't blame him one bit for that. Not anymore.

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People will rattle those guys off and completely look over that they were able to bring Routt, Boss, Winston, and Hillis in and signed them before they visited another team. Those were top of the wire guys at their respective positions and Pioli got them all signed relatively easily. All 4 cited the organization and direction of the team as the main reasons they came here.
And all four are kicking themselves now, I guarantee it. And we can be honest: Boss is likely done in KC and probably in the NFL, Hillis hasn't done anything to warrant even a one year deal so far, but I'll give you Routt and Winston. But then again, show me one single player who has made an impact from any other free agent class since Pioli has been here. One. Just name ONE IMPACT free agent signing before 2012. Go ahead, I'll wait.
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Why would you want competition? WHY? Because our starter is Matt Cassel. And even more to the point, having a solid to good backup QB is not a luxury anymore, it's NECESSITY. What if your starter goes down?

I can't believe you even asked that. This is the NFL, not college football.
Having a good backup is well and good, but that's still on the OC, imo. He's the one that determines that position.

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He hasn't been bad? We must be watching different games. He was awful in 2009 (queue the excuses here), he was bad in a few games in 2010, he was GOD AWFUL in the playoffs, and he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire last year before he got hurt. Matt Cassel has been average at best, and benchable most of the other time.
He has not been bad. Do you even remember 2009? Cassel did well for what that was.

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You're right, instead of working with the HC in the draft Pioli wanted complete control. Complete. Control. I don't know many big name HCs who would be okay with that. This goes back to Pioli being a control freak and thinking he's smarter than everyone else. Look at his track history in the draft and free agency since coming to KC.. it's pretty clear he's not.
No. It was the other way around. Fisher and Cowher don't want to work with a GM. THEY want total and complete control. The last two drafts have been Pioli working with the HC and getting the player the coach wanted.

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Yes, it did. Peyton didn't want to play in one of the toughest stadiums in the NFL? He didn't want to play for one of the most rabid fanbases this league has ever seen? Give me a break.
No, he didn't. He doesn't like KC. He's said some things about the city.

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And all four are kicking themselves now, I guarantee it. And we can be honest: Boss is likely done in KC and probably in the NFL, Hillis hasn't done anything to warrant even a one year deal so far, but I'll give you Routt and Winston. But then again, show me one single player who has made an impact from any other free agent class since Pioli has been here. One. Just name ONE IMPACT free agent signing before 2012. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Steve Breaston was a pretty big signing when they brought him in last year. McClain and Gaither were nice little pick-ups even though they really didn't work out. Prior to that, there was Thomas Jones and the risky guys that they might have been able to bring in weren't good fits for the team at the time.
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I got 37-17 Ravens.Chiefs score 2 garbage time TD's and cassel gets pulled at halftime
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As for this game, the Chiefs will be able to stay in their base package a lot. That is a good thing. They can get pressure on Flacco and force mistakes. Keep Torrey Smith in front of them and don't give Bolden space. I'm probably most-worried about Dennis Pitta. They can't ask Berry to cover TEs. They just can't.

Offensively, Dexter McCluster is going to have to have an incredible performance.
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Offensively, Dexter McCluster is going to have to have an incredible performance.
No, he won't, as the worst starting QB in the NFL is on this roster. Do you know that the Chiefs have lost 8 fumbles and thrown 7 picks? Most of that is attributed to Cassel. He won't have an incredible performance, Cassel will probably get him hurt again.

You're delusional at this point.

As for a prediction in this game, I have the Ravens winning by 15 at least.

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it's not that i think Brady Quinn is better, it's just that i've seen enough of Cassel/

if this is what Scott Pioli calls a good QB, then he can GTFO.
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Yeah some "QB competition" Pioli brought in, huh? Brady Quinn. He's so full of crap.
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Yeah some "QB competition" Pioli brought in, huh? Brady Quinn. He's so full of crap.
yeah, Scott didn't want anyone good enough to beat out his Boy Matty.
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yeah, Scott didn't want anyone good enough to beat out his Boy Matty.
And anyone who disagrees is just a Pioli lapdog at this point. There was NO competition brought in, and if Pioli and the coaching staff actually thought a 5th rounder was going to be the future of this team, that should be grounds enough for firing right there.

Our entire QB roster is trash. No QB on this roster deserves to be in the NFL.
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And anyone who disagrees is just a Pioli lapdog at this point. There was NO competition brought in, and if Pioli and the coaching staff actually thought a 5th rounder was going to be the future of this team, that should be grounds enough for firing right there.

Our entire QB roster is trash. No QB on this roster deserves to be in the NFL.
i agree.
Cassel's Pioli's guy and it's been that way since he got here,
otherwise he would have tried to keep Orton around who was heads and shoulders better than any QB thats been a KC Chief since Trent Green.
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nepg, I agree that a blow up is not required. But that is only if the Chiefs actually win 3-4 in a row. They look dead, flat, sad, depressed, uneregized, like pussies, etc. They have the talent but why is the defense sucking so bad? Why is Cassel the worst QB I have ever seen? Why havent they addressed the QB position after seeing Cassel **** the bed so many time?

They have some talent and are close to being a consistent playoff team but coaching and Qbing is holding them back.

It is sad they will get a pass though, Cassel will be scapegoat but Cassel should NEVER TAKE A SNAP AGAIN anyways. But they will draft a Qb and give RAC and Pioli at least one more year.
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RAC is not a head coach. It's simple and it's pretty damn clear at this point. If Pioli actually keeps his job, which he shouldn't, RAC should be fired.

Both should be fired at this point, but I'd rather keep Pioli over RAC, even though I know it in my gut that Pioli will **** the bed and draft another DL from LSU instead of a QB because "we believe Matt Cassel is a good QB."

Biggest load of garbage I've ever seen from an organization in my life.
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