Is Jarvis Jones a Von Miller Clone???

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 04:36 PM

I've only watched Jarvis Jones a few times, but the dude is a absolute stud from what I've seen. His measurables and production at the collegiate level remind me so much of Von Miller. He's tops in the country in both TFL's and sacks. When he's on the field you can't help but notice his domination. I really didn't get the chance to watch lot's of Von Miller, but I know he was a playmaking OLB. What are your thoughts on this comparison?????

Razor · 10-31-2012, 04:37 PM

Hell no... Miller is twice the player that Jones is. Jones is vastly overrated at this point.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 04:46 PM

How can you be overrated and you lead the country in TFL's and are like 2nd in sacks. If he's overrated then what are the other 1,000's of D1 defensive players that are producing at a lower level than him?????????????????????????

njx9 · 10-31-2012, 04:47 PM

perhaps adding a few more question marks would make your question more valid.

vidae · 10-31-2012, 05:40 PM

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perhaps adding a few more question marks would make your question more valid.

That made me laugh out loud.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 04:51 PM

I was overwhelmed by his ignorance. LOL

Don Vito · 10-31-2012, 04:54 PM

I wouldn't say Jones is half the player Miller is, they just aren't really similar

Thecollegedropout · 10-31-2012, 04:55 PM

Miller's the more explosive pass rusher but Jarvis Jones brings more to run stopping and is more of a complete player.

jCut · 11-05-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thecollegedropout

Miller's the more explosive pass rusher but Jarvis Jones brings more to run stopping and is more of a complete player.

Are you referring to Von Miller as a prospect or Von Miller as he's currently constituted? A common misconception is that he is a pass rusher first and foremost, but he's actually a terrific run-stuffer and the most complete OLB in the game.

b_rent87 · 02-28-2013, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Thecollegedropout

Miller's the more explosive pass rusher but Jarvis Jones brings more to run stopping and is more of a complete player.

This is an absurd claim. Being both a die hard Broncos and UGA fan, Miller is a far better run stopper. Jarvis gets washed out of plays too easily and plays undisciplined mostly due to scheme, but it is with reckless abandon, and he often takes himself out of running lanes. He won't get away with it at the next level. Jarvis lacks Von's elite first step and elite bend around the corner. Von plays lower to the ground while Jarvis stands upright and tends to hand fight too much rather than getting off blocks. Jarvis is not the same player as Von. Von is a better pass rusher and a more complete player. However Jarvis just makes plays all over and its a knack he has. I like Jarvis a lot and he is a top ten player in this draft, but he is not Von Miller.

njx9 · 10-31-2012, 04:55 PM

ignorance? because you quoted two stats and assumed they mean more than anything else? i imagine there are actual arguments one could make for jarvis jones, but i don't think i've seen one in this thread yet.

keylime_5 · 10-31-2012, 05:02 PM

Miller is more explosve. Jones is more upright in his pass rushing technique, I don't think that will translate as well as Miller's style. Jones definitely a top 10 pick though.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 05:19 PM

When I see a guy that's dominating at the highest level of college football its hard for me to make an argument against him. You can say whatever you want about his posture or whatever, but at the end of the day the guy gets on the field and makes more plays than anyone else at the position. TFL's and sacks are the easiest way to determine whether a guy makes game changing plays as a linebacker or a defensive lineman. If you don't agree then go ask every offensive coordinator in the country when they're punting the ball on 3rd and long.

TACKLE · 10-31-2012, 05:22 PM

I know cross-racial comparisons are as taboo as it gets but I think he's a lot closer to Clay Matthews than he is to Von.

Razor · 10-31-2012, 05:25 PM

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I know cross-racial comparisons are as taboo as it gets but I think he's a lot closer to Clay Matthews than he is to Von.

Exactly. And he should be drafted in the same region as Matthews too.

TACKLE · 10-31-2012, 05:47 PM

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Exactly. And he should be drafted in the same region as Matthews too.

Well if people were projecting Clay to be as good as he turned out to be, he would have been a Top 3-5 pick.

Razor · 11-01-2012, 08:50 AM

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Well if people were projecting Clay to be as good as he turned out to be, he would have been a Top 3-5 pick.

I don't think I made my point clear. However, Calubflower has been doing a good job thus far. The first part was sarcasm, the second part is what I believe. Jarvis Jones is a tremendous college player because of his motor and knack for making a big play. However, that just won't cut it in the NFL. Jones isn't very big and disengage very well. So whenever a NFL tackle gets his hands on Jones it'll be over. He does have upside and ability, but people are making him out to be this great can't miss prospect which he really isn't. Heck, most of his big plays aren't because he's dominating his opponent, it's because someone else is funneling the play his way or because his motor is non stop. I definitely think that Jones is a first round player, but he's not a top ten pick imo. He should be drafted in the same region as CMIII, not any higher than that.

PossibleCabbage · 10-31-2012, 10:11 PM

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Exactly. And he should be drafted in the same region as Matthews too.

To be fair, history will look back at Clay Matthews being selected with the 26th pick (behind 4 other people drafted to play OLB in an odd front, 3 of which were Aaron Maybin, Robert Ayers, and Larry English) to be quite the steal.

keylime_5 · 10-31-2012, 05:35 PM

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I know cross-racial comparisons are as taboo as it gets but I think he's a lot closer to Clay Matthews than he is to Von.

Clay Matthews and Von Miller are the two guys he gets compared to the most. not really taboo when those are the only 2 dominant undersized pass rushing OLBs in the NFL. I remember back when there was talk that Clay Matthews would be an ILB in the NFL (?????). Not many guys who profile as a 3-4 rush OLB would be an OLB not a DE in most 4-3s like Miller, Matthews, and Jones (and Bruce Irvin if you wanna include him in the conversation).

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 05:29 PM

I feel like all the guys you are naming are all so similar. Playmaking outside linebackers that are all in that 6'3 235-250 range. Clay Matthews is a little bit bigger than the both of them, but I just can't understand how someone could say Jarvis Jones is overrated. That caught me off guard.

Witten4HOF · 10-31-2012, 05:44 PM

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I feel like all the guys you are naming are all so similar. Playmaking outside linebackers that are all in that 6'3 235-250 range. Clay Matthews is a little bit bigger than the both of them, but I just can't understand how someone could say Jarvis Jones is overrated. That caught me off guard.

Just because you play the same position and both have success doesn't mean you play the same way. Miller has elite quick twitch athleticism to completely overwhelm tackles at the snap, where as Mathews is much better at playing with leverage to knock linemen off of their base.

Jarvis will test out very well at the combine but isn't in the same class as Von measuarbles wise. He is also a little light and bigger tackles will be able to push him around a bit until he gets stronger. That being said he has the tools to be a great player and is a lock for the top ten picks IMO.

TACKLE · 10-31-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Witten4HOF

Jarvis will test out very well at the combine but isn't in the same class as Von measuarbles wise. He is also a little light and bigger tackles will be able to push him around a bit until he gets stronger. That being said he has the tools to be a great player and is a lock for the top ten picks IMO.

I agree that he doesn't have Von's overall explosiveness but he plays with much better power and is quite a bit stronger than Von ever was as TAMU.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 05:52 PM

The bottom line is that all these guys are high producing outside linebackers. I agree that Von Miller may be more athletic than Jarvis Jones, but I don't even know if I can say that. The difference between Clay Matthews and the rest of these guys is that Matthews worked his way to become who he is and these other guys are just naturally gifted football players. I think Miller, Jones, and Irvin who was mentioned above are just pure playmaking linebackers with instincts to find the football that can't be taught. Lets not even mention how tough Jarvis Jones is. Arguably the best player in college football right now.

FUNBUNCHER · 10-31-2012, 06:05 PM

This is silly.

No one was positive about Miller's measurables until during the combine. Many on this board questioned whether or not he was really only 6'2, 230# and way too small to play OLB in the pros.

When he showed up at the combine at 6'3 and close to 250# and ran a mid 4.4, it explained a lot of what many saw on film; a OLB who just seemed flat out quicker and faster than any OT he lined up against in college.

Jarvis Jones looks like a beast on film, I can't wait to see what his official numbers are.
No matter, I think Jones is probably one of the top 3-5 defenders who come off the board in 2013.

TheBoyWonder22 · 10-31-2012, 06:13 PM

Is Kiwi a good comparison? I haven't really watched Georgia this year, but he sounds a lot like Kiwi.