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Old 11-19-2012, 01:04 AM    (permalink
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Default 2012 49ers Gameday Thread: Week 11: Bears at 49ers

Week 11:
Monday, November 19, 2012


Chicago Bears (7-2)
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San Francisco 49ers (6-2-1)

Location: The Stick


Time: 5: 30 pm pst
Line: SF -7.0
Announcers (ESPN): Mike Tirico, Jon Gruden, Lisa Salters

Well, letís wrap up last weeks debacle:


Moving on.

Looks like this:

And this:

Has passed the concussion tests and should be OK and starting Monday.

Prognosis not so rosey for this guy:


Looks like the Bears are rolling with this:


Normally, Iíd throw in a joke about Jason Campbell here, but I underestimated the Rams and the Vikings this year and those didnít end well. So this time around Iím just going to consider Campbell as an elite QB, ranked slightly ahead of Rodgers, Brees and Gabbert.

Iíll admit it, the Bears are rocking one of my favorite players:


Turnover machine.






I think Smith is just going to identify Tillman pre-snap and then completely ignore him.

Hey, remember me?:


Targets the last 4 games:
6 SFO NYG 5.0
7 SFO SEA 0.0
8 SFO ARI 2.0
10 SFO STL 5.0


Thatís ugly.

Whatever.

MOOOOAAAAARRRRRRR of this as much as possible:


Standings
NFC West
1. San Francisco 49ers (6-2-1)
2. Seattle Seahawks (6-4)
3. Arizona Cardinals (4-6)
3. St. Louis Rams (3-6-1)

NFC North
1. Chicago Bears (7-2)
2. Green Bay Packers (6-4)
3. Minnesota Vikings (6-4)
4. Detroit Lions (4-6)

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I almost wonder if it would be better to put Cutler in there. The last time the 49ers faced him he had his worst day as a pro if I recall throwing five interceptions. Of course both teams are different than they were three years ago. However, Jay does start to press and throw picks if pressure gets in his face. That being said I guess I'd still rather have Campbell back there. I'm hoping that he plays a little rusty not having been in sync with the offense for very long.

And I hope for the love of all that is good in the world that Greg Roman starts utilizing Vernon Davis. Really, the joke is over. It's time to get our tight end involved in the pass game. Won't be surprised if the 49ers try to just grind out this win via the ground the good defense. Might not to want to put Smith in too many bad spots. Should be interesting.
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Dear Greg Roman,

Hi! Brent here. Listen, earlier this year I drafted a young man named Vernon Davis for my fantasy team. I did this because, outside of Frank Gore, he's my favorite Niner and he was destined to have a monster season. Though the first five games this year, I felt I had made a smart choice. Sadly, this has not been the case as of late. I think I speak for most of us when I say that, last year, we thought the play-calling was mostly impeccable. Hell, there are many times during a game where I wonder if there is going to be yet another formation to run out of. So, I commend you for that.

However, you haven't shown that same proclivity for creativity in the passing game. The Niners need that. I need it, too. Please, this is a throwing league. And you didn't win in the playoffs running the ball, that's for sure. Don't believe me? Look at the 4th quarter of that Saints game... or the abortion of a passing attack against the Giants last season.

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So quarterbacks against the Bears this year have a completion percentage of 58.8%, 215 YPG, 0.9 TD/game, 2.1 INT/game, and a 59.3 QB rating. That is not encouraging. I have a feeling that this is going to be a week filled with a lot of "bench Alex Smith" talk, even if he beats those averages and we win.
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Some numbers that confirm my believe that Kaepernick played worse as the game went along.

First three drives:
9/11, 158 yards, 1 TD

Rest of game:
7/12, 85 yards (44 YAC on the great run by Crabtree and great catch by Manningham), 1 TD

I am just not ready to anoint him when his play declined so drastically. The Bears prepared for Smith all week. Their gameplan was designed to stop the 49ers if Smith was playing.
7/12 for 85 yards with 44 YAC isn't even a bad game against the #1 pass defense. Keep in mind that includes 2 throwaway's due to pressure. Those are likely sacks with Alex, based on how he's played this year. Regardless, before the game you posted this

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So quarterbacks against the Bears this year have a completion percentage of 58.8%, 215 YPG, 0.9 TD/game, 2.1 INT/game, and a 59.3 QB rating. That is not encouraging. I have a feeling that this is going to be a week filled with a lot of "bench Alex Smith" talk, even if he beats those averages and we win.
I find it hilarious you were preparing excuses for a bad QB performance before the game even begins, then have our backup QB blow these numbers out of the water and STILL then try to discredit a really good performance after you basically said our starter wasn't good enough to achieve that.

And Kaep had 44 YAC with Manningham and Crabs...Alex had over 60 YAC against the Seahawks in what was frankly a below average performance, and over 100 YAC against the Cardinals in a phenomenal performance. I didn't see you criticize him them.

I'm not going to get into a pointless Kaep/Alex debate, and part of the reason is because the point of this isn't me saying Kaep should start (Alex should when he gets healthy), this is me saying I feel you are really, really biased...

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7/12 for 85 yards with 44 YAC isn't even a bad game against the #1 pass defense. Keep in mind that includes 2 throwaway's due to pressure. Those are likely sacks with Alex, based on how he's played this year. Regardless, before the game you posted this
I agree it isn't a bad game, but it isn't a good one either.

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How is that preparing excuses? I did not think Alex would be anywhere near as bad as those numbers if he had played. When I heard Alex wasn't going to play I didn't think CK would be nearly that bad either. I am not trying to discredit anything, just to point out that as the game went along Kaepernick did start to play worse. That isn't encouraging because the most logical explanation for that would be that the Bears somewhat figured him out, and that was after less than two quarters of play.

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How many people actually gave credit to Alex for his performance against the Cardinals, though? All anyone talked about after that game was how much YAC the 49ers receivers got. They had 107 yards of YAC in that game, on 18 completions. Last night the 49ers receivers had 95 on 16 completions. That is 5.9 YAC/completion for both of them, and Alex Smith still had a higher YPA against the Cardinals, but no one has even mentioned the YAC from the receivers last night.

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I don't feel that I am biased. Kaepernick played great at the beginning of the game but started playing worse as it went along, that is a fact. Alex Smith has played just as well or better than Kaepernick in recent weeks, also a fact. My point is that the people asking for Kaepernick are crazy and have no reason to do so.

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I agree it isn't a bad game, but it isn't a good one either.

I don't feel that I am biased. Kaepernick played great at the beginning of the game but started playing worse as it went along, that is a fact.
Better than that what you expected before the game....but not good enough after the game. 7/12 for 85, 1 TD 0 INT is nothing special overall (although again, 2 throwaways>2 sacks). But remember you expected much worse from Alex and were prepared well beforehand to crucify anyone who criticized Alex for a potential poor game last night.

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Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddddddd .... I was completely wrong on Alex Smith. Just heard he won't play. CK gets the start.
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Yep just heard that as well. Oh well, time to see what CK can do
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Tonight could be a pivotal moment in the future of the niners.
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Kaepernick prediction -

65% completion, 200+ yards, 2 TD, no INT....plus an extra 40 yards rushing and a TD....

49ers win....

28-10
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CK didn't get any 1st team reps this week. That's not ******* good. We'll be lucky to squeak out a win.
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Dam dan is being generous for CK . I hope we do win but it won't be a big stat kind of game.
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CK got the majority of the reps this past Saturday. Trust me, he'll be ready. As long as Harbaugh doesnt chain him like he does Alex, he'll be fine once the jitters go away after a series or two.

Let's go NINERS!!!
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Being positive here. KaeperVICK gonna account for three total touchdowns with no turnovers in a dismantling of the Bears overrated defense
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Let's go Niners!!! Crush Chicago and turn them into little cubs!!! Come on!!!

17-0 thus far baby!!! Yeah, **** yeah!!!
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9/11 158 TD...hasnt run yet or been touched. Love this guy's arm. :)
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Stop it Brent! You know you are subconsciously rooting for Kaep to fail to validate Alex Smith ... or something ridiculous like that.
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A QB with a cannon for an arm and Hunter was going to pass??? Come on, crap like this is what im talking about. Crap like that rarely works. No reason to get cute. I hate this cute crap that Harbaugh likes running. Just put the ******* team away.
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Damn it!!! Sacked. Oh well. I can live with a FG. 20-0. And am I the only one holding their breath when Akers kicks?
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This is excatly what I didn't want for this team. Not talking about a a great win, but a over-blown QB controversy. Especially one that isn't warranted. CK played great. Made some nice throws and some nice, simple adjustments at the line but the Bears played right into our hands.

The Bears didn't disguise their coverage early and they paid for it. Roman started out giving CK simple reads. We went with a lot of heavy sets, play-action out of those which usually left a mis-match(mainly VD) open. Those first couple of throws were nicely set-up to give CK some early success. Then CK made nice sight adjustments and audible to a couple of quick slants. Nothing earth-shattering. But the Bears never confused CK...except for that sack where they showed blitz then dropped into coverage. No defense from here on out would approach CK the same way. They never made CK second guess anything he was seeing. Very surprised by the Bears approach.

That being said, CK made some nice throws. Displayed some nice touch and improvisation skills. He also missed a few too but I don't even fault him for those. But he didn't do anything Alex hasn't done repeatedly all year. Alex is still the best QB for this team. And anyone who thinks CK could keep up this production is fooling themselves. But it's nice to see that CK has been brought along nicely. Future looks very promising.
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I think the team, including Kaepernick, knows that this is Alex's team. It won't be until the off season that a QB battle will begin.
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This is excatly what I didn't want for this team. Not talking about a a great win, but a over-blown QB controversy. Especially one that isn't warranted. CK played great. Made some nice throws and some nice, simple adjustments at the line but the Bears played right into our hands.

The Bears didn't disguise their coverage early and they paid for it. Roman started out giving CK simple reads. We went with a lot of heavy sets, play-action out of those which usually left a mis-match(mainly VD) open. Those first couple of throws were nicely set-up to give CK some early success. Then CK made nice sight adjustments and audible to a couple of quick slants. Nothing earth-shattering. But the Bears never confused CK...except for that sack where they showed blitz then dropped into coverage. No defense from here on out would approach CK the same way. They never made CK second guess anything he was seeing. Very surprised by the Bears approach.

That being said, CK made some nice throws. Displayed some nice touch and improvisation skills. He also missed a few too but I don't even fault him for those. But he didn't do anything Alex hasn't done repeatedly all year. Alex is still the best QB for this team. And anyone who thinks CK could keep up this production is fooling themselves. But it's nice to see that CK has been brought along nicely. Future looks very promising.
Don't tell that to the rest of the forum. You know, the people that don't watch the team unless it's a primetime game.
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This is excatly what I didn't want for this team. Not talking about a a great win, but a over-blown QB controversy. Especially one that isn't warranted. CK played great. Made some nice throws and some nice, simple adjustments at the line but the Bears played right into our hands.

The Bears didn't disguise their coverage early and they paid for it. Roman started out giving CK simple reads. We went with a lot of heavy sets, play-action out of those which usually left a mis-match(mainly VD) open. Those first couple of throws were nicely set-up to give CK some early success. Then CK made nice sight adjustments and audible to a couple of quick slants. Nothing earth-shattering. But the Bears never confused CK...except for that sack where they showed blitz then dropped into coverage. No defense from here on out would approach CK the same way. They never made CK second guess anything he was seeing. Very surprised by the Bears approach.

That being said, CK made some nice throws. Displayed some nice touch and improvisation skills. He also missed a few too but I don't even fault him for those. But he didn't do anything Alex hasn't done repeatedly all year. Alex is still the best QB for this team. And anyone who thinks CK could keep up this production is fooling themselves. But it's nice to see that CK has been brought along nicely. Future looks very promising.
Why??? Tonight was great. We appear to finally have a franchise QB with a cannon for an arm. And yeah, he overthrew a pass or two but I rather see passes overthrown instead of underthrown or intercepted. Granted, the Bears werent prepared but for the first time since Harbaugh has become the head coach, it didnt feel like our QB was chained down. Kaepernick is Harbaugh's hand picked QB period. Smith is a leftover. Smith is the veteran backup type QB. Kaepernick impressed the hell out of me. Even when the Bears did get pressure on him, he either avoided it or threw the ball away.

Most importantly and also for the first time since Harbaugh became our head coach, I finally have some excitement and confidence in our offense and that we can finally average 30ppg. Also, our offense was more aggressive passing than I have seen them all season. Finally, passing down field. Instead of short consertative passes.

Sorry but I know you guys want Smith to stay the starter but no damn way. With Smith, our offense isnt a threat period. And with the Saints next week who have a horrible defense, we should be able to score some points. Add in Kaepernick's mobility and he's a legitimate dual threat. He barely ran and when he did, he already won us the game passing wise.

Having a legitimate passing offense and scoring more points makes us the most dangerous team in the NFL because if we get a lead like we had tonight with our running game, defense and special teams, we'll be nearly impossible to beat. Kaepernick looked poised, calm and relaxed. His passes that he didnt overthrow were perfectly on target. Something Smith hasnt been able to do down the field.

Sorry but with all the weapons we have on offense, its time they get used to the most of their ability. With Smith, thats just never going to happen. With Kaepernick, our receivers can finally be legitimate dangerous weapons instead of just decoys half the damn time.

I love Kapernick's arm and while I dont think he'll start if Smith is healthy next week, I think that Kaepernick should start because
he gives our offense a legitimate chance of scoring touchdowns and more points. 23ppg isnt going to cut it in a passing and scoring league. Time to surpass all these crappy ass teams and get back to dominating like this franchise used to.

16/23 (70%), 243, 2 TD

And damn, I was nearly spot on with my prediction for his stats. He had more passing yards and less rushing yards than I thought he would.

I know you guys are going to want Smith to remain the starter but let's be realistic. If we dont win the Super Bowl this year with Smith as a starter, everyone is going to say why we didnt stay with Kaepernick? Even if we dont win the Super Bowl with Kaepernick, it doesnt matter because he's still the future of this franchise at QB.

And quite honestly, I think that we have a better chance at winning a Super Bowl with Kaepernick than we do with Smith because our passing offense is now a legitimate threat. Unless Kaepernick does the opposite against the Saints, there's no way I even think about going back to Smith.

To each his own though.
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