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Old 12-15-2012, 11:36 AM    (permalink
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He needs 164 yards in his last two games to become one of just a few elite backs to rush for 1,000 yards 8 consecutive years. The list includes future and current Hall of Famers Emmitt Smith, LaDamion Tomlinson, Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, and Barry Sanders. He only needs about five or six carries to reach 10,000 for his career. Plus, he has been a very good receiver out of the backfield and only missed 11 games due to injury. Thought?
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I'm a huge Steven Jackson fan but it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.
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No. Unfortunately, his resume isn't strong enough. Playing with the Rams all of these terrible years the past decade are more likely to get him overlooked. There also backs more deserving I don't think are ever getting in.
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Negative. Though if was part of very successful teams, it might not be so one sided.
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Absolutely not. The hall is already tainted for rb's after Curtis Martin got in, no need to ruin it any more with Steven Jackson. He has been really good for most of his career and we shoulda had him (damn you parcells), but he has NEVER had a season where you could really say he was worthy of being a HOF'er. He's been a stats compiler on a bad team his whole career. Shouldn't even be a conversation, imo.
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Absolutely not. The hall is already tainted for rb's after Curtis Martin got in, no need to ruin it any more with Steven Jackson
In 11 years, Martin accumulated 4,200 yards and 45 touchdowns more than what Steven Jackson has in 9.

In other words, Jackson needs to average 2,100 yards and 22 touchdowns over the next two seasons to match Martin's career; that would be 600 yards and 9 touchdowns more than his career best season, which he achieved 7 years ago. It's silly to compare the two.
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In 11 years, Martin accumulated 4,200 yards and 45 touchdowns more than what Steven Jackson has in 9.

In other words, Jackson needs to average 2,100 yards and 22 touchdowns over the next two seasons to match Martin's career; that would be 600 yards and 9 touchdowns more than his career best season, which he achieved 7 years ago. It's silly to compare the two.
First, i wasn't necessarily comparing the two, just sharing the fact that i disagree with Curtis Martin being in the Hall, despite him having a better career than Jackson (which you mentioned). While watching some NFL film stuff, one thing that always stuck out to me is someone mentioning whether or not someone was ever on an elite class in the NFL at his position, as a method of determining whether or not they were HoF worthy.

To me, Martin never stood out as an elite guy (the same way SJax hasn't), and certainly never put up eye popping numbers, though he did have his best season by far at 31, and that was the only season of his career where he led the league in rushing. I'm sure you have very viable reasons why you disagree.
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Absolutely not. The hall is already tainted for rb's after Curtis Martin got in, no need to ruin it any more with Steven Jackson. He has been really good for most of his career and we shoulda had him (damn you parcells), but he has NEVER had a season where you could really say he was worthy of being a HOF'er. He's been a stats compiler on a bad team his whole career. Shouldn't even be a conversation, imo.
This is extremely harsh, Stephen Jackson has been the best running back in the league before and right up there for many more seasons. Not because of the numbers he compiled, but because of what it took him to accomplish what he did having to carry those awful teams. He certainly had the talent to make the HOF, but because of the organization he's been with he hasn't had the career to put him in the hall of fame.
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Had he played on for a good organization and won a SB or two I could see him getting in. He's an awesome RB, but he's never been special or flashy. I love Steven Jackson, but I don't think he belongs in the HoF.
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I really want to say yes, but I don't think so, unless he can pull out one more great year with a real contender next season. But I could be convinced by a really good argument.
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There is no really good argument. People always want to piss on Curtis Matin getting in (because, frankly, they don't know what they are talking about). But Steven Jackson is a poor man's Curtis Martin.
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There is no really good argument. People always want to piss on Curtis Matin getting in (because, frankly, they don't know what they are talking about). But Steven Jackson is a poor man's Curtis Martin.
I don't ***** about Martin getting in. Talent and level of dominance are crucial towards making it in, but ultimately results have to matter to, and Martin was absolutely excellent at getting the job done. Same reason Emmitt Smith probably would've ended up in the hall of fame even if he didn't end up on those Cowboys.

That said I think Steven Jackson's play at his very best was more dominant than Martin's even though on those god awful Rams that didn't let that lead to all that impressive results.
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I don't ***** about Martin getting in. Talent and level of dominance are crucial towards making it in, but ultimately results have to matter to, and Martin was absolutely excellent at getting the job done. Same reason Emmitt Smith probably would've ended up in the hall of fame even if he didn't end up on those Cowboys.

That said I think Steven Jackson's play at his very best was more dominant than Martin's even though on those god awful Rams that didn't let that lead to all that impressive results.
I think that's just far too hard to quantify. There are certain backs (Earl Campbell) that the numbers don't blow you away, but it's obvious on film what an absolute freak he was. I don't get that vibe from Steven Jackson.
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No. And absolutely agree with MetSox no way Martin should of made it either.
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His career numbers are slightly worse than Eddie George. Definitely not HoF worthy.
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Other runningbacks in the same class not in the Hall:

-Ricky Watters
-Corey Dillon
-Ricky Williams
-Thomas Jones
-Warrick Dunn
-Jamal Lewis
-Tiki Barber
-Clinton Portis
-Shaun Alexander
-Edgerrin James
-Fred Taylor

Most likely, none of those guys are getting in, and neither is Jackson.
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-Thomas Jones
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-Jamal Lewis
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-Clinton Portis
-Shaun Alexander
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-Fred Taylor

Most likely, none of those guys are getting in, and neither is Jackson.
Ricky Watters should, but he won't.
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Ricky Watters should, but he won't.
Roger Craig was better than Watters imo. If Watters and Roger Craig aren't in the Hall, what chance does Jackson have.
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-Ricky Watters
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-Ricky Williams
-Thomas Jones
-Warrick Dunn
-Jamal Lewis
-Tiki Barber
-Clinton Portis
-Shaun Alexander
-Edgerrin James
-Fred Taylor
Yea, looking at that list, besides Thomas Jones, I can't really think of a good argument why Jackson deserves to be in over any of them. Fank Gore will probably fall into that category as well. The only active back who I'd consider HOF worthy is Peterson, but even he needs to put together a few more good-great seasons to cement himself. There are a ton of very good RBs that are lumped together, it takes a special player to separate from the pack.

Love Jackson, and I'll remember him as a beast, but it's the Hall of Fame.
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The only active back who I'd consider HOF worthy is Peterson, but even he needs to put together a few more good-great seasons to cement himself.
I think if Peterson wanted to call it quits early and retired at the end of this season he'd still make it, easily.
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Yea, looking at that list, besides Thomas Jones, I can't really think of a good argument why Jackson deserves to be in over any of them. Fank Gore will probably fall into that category as well. The only active back who I'd consider HOF worthy is Peterson, but even he needs to put together a few more good-great seasons to cement himself. There are a ton of very good RBs that are lumped together, it takes a special player to separate from the pack.

Love Jackson, and I'll remember him as a beast, but it's the Hall of Fame.
My thoughts, exactly.

Bettis is interesting. I think that literally nobody watched him play and thought that he was a future HOFer, until he somehow had HOF stats.
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Yea, looking at that list, besides Thomas Jones, I can't really think of a good argument why Jackson deserves to be in over any of them. Fank Gore will probably fall into that category as well. The only active back who I'd consider HOF worthy is Peterson, but even he needs to put together a few more good-great seasons to cement himself. There are a ton of very good RBs that are lumped together, it takes a special player to separate from the pack.

Love Jackson, and I'll remember him as a beast, but it's the Hall of Fame.
I would think Edge would make it. He is pretty high on all-purpose yards list.
One name you are all leaving off is Roger Craig. He may not have the numbers but he revolutionized the running back position, and to me that is more important than most stats.
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I would think Edge would make it. He is pretty high on all-purpose yards list.
One name you are all leaving off is Roger Craig. He may not have the numbers but he revolutionized the running back position, and to me that is more important than most stats.
Bill Walsh revolutionized the position. Roger Craig was just there.
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