Poll: Rookie of the Year (week 16)

J-Mike88 · 12-18-2012, 08:57 AM

We've seen people try and make cases for each of the 3 great rookie QBs, and each have some valid angles, obviously.

Vote time.

Be real here and base it on their production, not how you like them, who was hyped more, who you think will have the better career, longer career, etc.

Production so far as we enter week 16.
Here are the basics, starting with the overall passer ratings.

Robert Griffin, 104.2 (#2 in NFL), 18/4 TD/Int, 2,902 yards passing, 748 yards rushing, 6 TD runs, team is 8-6, tied for 1st in division

Russell Wilson, 95.5 (8th in NFL, right behind Matt Ryan), 2,697 yards, 21/9 TD/Int, 402 yards rushing, 3 TD runs, team is 9-5, current #5 seed

Andrew Luck, 75.5 (30th in NFL), 20/18 TD/Int, 3,978 yards, 233 yards rushing, 5 TD runs, team is 9-5, would be #5 seed

None of the teams was good last year.
Colts were horrible, for the one year, with the Manning loss.
Washington was bad.
Seattle was okay but that offense was stale.

Team Numbers:
Washington has scored 381 points.
Indianapolis has scored 309 points.
Seattle has scored 350 points.

This is a tough vote, but I'll start: My Ballot:

Griffin
Wilson
Luck

What's your ballot look like, who gets your #1 vote?

Jvig43 · 12-18-2012, 09:04 AM

Where is the "die" option?

tjsunstein · 12-18-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

Where is the "die" option?

Really? Nothing like sounding/looking real cool on the internet, I guess.

J-Mike88 · 12-18-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

Where is the "die" option?

Another award-winning comedic piece of genius there.... so impressive.

gpngc · 12-18-2012, 09:23 AM

DangeRuss re-entered the race this week. His numbers all of the sudden look very good.

Luck needs to keep his int number under his Td number.
A loss to kc might Knox him out.
And griffin needs to play.

I think the elimination should go like this.

1 make the playoffs.
2 best numbers. Unless griffin sits last 2 wks.

tjsunstein · 12-18-2012, 09:27 AM

Im voting for Russell Wilson until RG3 gets back on the field.

AntoinCD · 12-18-2012, 09:30 AM

You ask people to give their opinion but tell them to base it on production which you have stated. It's pretty clear how you have put this is to get people to agree with you that RG3 should be the OROTY, however as we have seen from the last one of these threads some people clearly didn't agree and it got pissy, enough to have the thread closed

ncst8fan83 · 12-18-2012, 10:12 AM

I think Luck's play has been vastly overrated this year. As a team, they've beaten two teams with a winning record. He's a turnover machine. To put it into perspective, Luck throws 1 interception for every 31.3 attempts. Wilson throws 1 interception every 39.2 attempts. Griffin throws 1 for every 87.8 (!!!) attempts. Griffin fumbles more, but can probably be attributed to his running. Luck has fumbled 10 times to Griffin's 11. Wilson has fumbled 5 times.

Total Turnovers:
Luck - 28
Wilson - 14
Griffin - 15

Luck is very good and will be good for many MANY years to come. However, right now I'm giving it to Wilson, with Griffin a close 2nd.

J-Mike88 · 12-18-2012, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ncst8fan83

However, right now I'm giving it to Wilson, with Griffin a close 2nd.

^ That's how itz done brothers....... ^
Was that painful in any way?

Halsey · 12-18-2012, 01:53 PM

I'm not saying it's ok to throw interceptions and fumble, but Luck has attempted over 200 more passes than Griffin and Wilson. Luck also doesn't benefit from being able to hand off to the NFL's second or third leading rusher. QB play is about more than counting interceptions and assuming the guy with the least is automatically the best.

killxswitch · 12-18-2012, 02:08 PM

I don't think that Luck's struggles lately are really his fault, but his performances have not been good enough for the last 5 weeks aren't really OROY-worthy. And it's not the award for who would be the best if all other variables were equal. Luck has a bottom-5 OL and never has a clean pocket. He is in Bruce Arians' terrible offense and throwing downfield way too much. He's clearly worn out. I don't blame him, but I can't say he is the OROY. 5 weeks ago I would've said Luck was clearly the guy.

I also don't think it's RG3. My vote goes to Wilson. It's amazing how close the Seahawks are to the playoffs, and even winning the division. RG3 has been great but Cousins' success in his place is off-putting. RG3 is more popular so he will probably win it. But for me Wilson is the winner.

J-Mike88 · 12-18-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Halsey

I'm not saying it's ok to throw interceptions and fumble, but Luck has attempted over 200 more passes than Griffin and Wilson.

Yet he still has fewer TD passes than Wilson, despite that ^.
But he is taller.

Bengalsrocket · 12-18-2012, 09:51 PM

I wish all these Luck voters saw the same thing in Dalton last year :P

Anyways, I voted for Wilson. It's not fair to RG3, but Wilson is having the exact same success and he's 3 inches shorter and was drafted 2 rounds later. He was never expected to do what he's doing and it's pretty fun to watch.

RG3 has been equally as amazing, so it's not really fair, just putting it out there though :)

Halsey · 12-19-2012, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Yet he still has fewer TD passes than Wilson, despite that ^.
But he is taller.

Andrew Luck has put the ball in the endzone more than Wilson has.

and I don't mind that Wilson is short, but I'd still rather have Luck as my QB. So would 32 NFL franchises.

jsagan77 · 12-19-2012, 02:32 PM

Griffin has 6 total turnovers. And the majority of his fumbles are from exchange issues or tosses that aren't really his fault bit he gets dinged for them.

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Originally Posted by ncst8fan83

I think Luck's play has been vastly overrated this year. As a team, they've beaten two teams with a winning record. He's a turnover machine. To put it into perspective, Luck throws 1 interception for every 31.3 attempts. Wilson throws 1 interception every 39.2 attempts. Griffin throws 1 for every 87.8 (!!!) attempts. Griffin fumbles more, but can probably be attributed to his running. Luck has fumbled 10 times to Griffin's 11. Wilson has fumbled 5 times.

Total Turnovers:
Luck - 28
Wilson - 14
Griffin - 15

Luck is very good and will be good for many MANY years to come. However, right now I'm giving it to Wilson, with Griffin a close 2nd.

jsagan77 · 12-24-2012, 06:23 AM

Jesus christ, RG3 has 7 turnovers ffs!

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Originally Posted by ncst8fan83

I think Luck's play has been vastly overrated this year. As a team, they've beaten two teams with a winning record. He's a turnover machine. To put it into perspective, Luck throws 1 interception for every 31.3 attempts. Wilson throws 1 interception every 39.2 attempts. Griffin throws 1 for every 87.8 (!!!) attempts. Griffin fumbles more, but can probably be attributed to his running. Luck has fumbled 10 times to Griffin's 11. Wilson has fumbled 5 times.

Total Turnovers:
Luck - 28
Wilson - 14
Griffin - 15

Luck is very good and will be good for many MANY years to come. However, right now I'm giving it to Wilson, with Griffin a close 2nd.

Caddy · 12-18-2012, 09:51 AM

Where is the Doug Martin option?

Halsey · 12-18-2012, 09:53 AM

Kirk Cousins

J-Mike88 · 12-18-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

Where is the Doug Martin option?

He won't win, so I didn't take up the space to put him on.
But you can write him in if you really think he deserves the award.

He won't finish higher than 4th place though.... I'll take $ bets on the side if you disagree.

If Peterson doesn't win MVP with what he's done, as a RB, for a team with more wins than Tampa Bay has, then Martin and his numbers have no chance against these 3 QB's all in playoff contention.

What's your ballot look like, let's see it....

Caddy · 12-18-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

He won't win, so I didn't take up the space to put him on.
But you can write him in if you really think he deserves the award.

He won't finish higher than 4th place though.... I'll take $ bets on the side if you disagree.

If Peterson doesn't win MVP with what he's done, as a RB, for a team with more wins than Tampa Bay has, then Martin and his numbers have no chance against these 3 QB's all in playoff contention.

What's your ballot look like, let's see it....

Sarcasmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

DiG · 12-18-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

Where is the Doug Martin option?

Right below the Alfred Morris option ;)

FUNBUNCHER · 12-18-2012, 09:57 AM

Didn't we do this already??lol

vidae · 12-18-2012, 12:35 PM

Luck for me.

AntoinCD · 12-18-2012, 02:11 PM

1. Russell Wilson
2. Andrew Luck
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Robert Griffin III

Caulibflower · 12-18-2012, 02:17 PM

The difference in the Seahawks offense this year and last year is dramatic, and the only difference is Russell Wilson. He's got about 75% percent of RGIII's rushing production, and their TD-to-turnover totals are basically the same. Wilson's just had a few huge weeks in a row to put himself right at the top of the race. If the vote ended today, I think it might be RGIII by a hair. But, of course, it doesn't. This race is going right down to the wire for sure.