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Old 01-18-2013, 11:01 PM    (permalink
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In an interesting twist, it is now being reported that Jarvis Jones doesn't love the weight room and basically dominated on talent alone at Georgia. That won't fly in the NFL and is a huge red flag.

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According to Walter Football's Charlie Campbell, multiple NFL scouts at the East-West Shrine expect Georgia OLB Jarvis Jones to fall out of the top-five picks in April's draft.
Per the scouts, Jones is "not a good workout guy," and may struggle at the Combine, and isn't a "weight-room guy," either. One scout also noted Jones' medical condition of spinal stenosis. After his diagnosis at USC, Trojans team doctors told Jones "he should retire from football." Jones transferred to Georgia, of course, where he was medically cleared. Still, the work ethic and medical concerns are not indicative of a top-five prospect.
Combine that with a back situation that will have some teams removing him from their board (or dropping him down quite a bit) and you have to believe he might be available later than most are predicting.
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I'd have to imagine the jets would roll the dice on him if he's there at 9, I don't think he'll fall that far on draft day.
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We've seen stranger things happen. I think there are on field concerns with Jones, the medical is obviously an issue although we don't know how much yet, and work ethic concerns are obviously an issue as well. During draft season there's always a lot of misinformation too so maybe there isn't much truth to this, but it is seems a little early for that.
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The back thing is an issue. The weight room thing....meh. I think NFL teams will almost always take their chances on a ridiculous talent. Also, Walter Football sucks.
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The back thing is an issue. The weight room thing....meh. I think NFL teams will almost always take their chances on a ridiculous talent. Also, Walter Football sucks.
He needs to show some explosion at the combine. I personally have thought he was overrated.
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We've been covering this topic extensively on the podcast for months.

It will be one of the most anticipated Scouting Combine medical checks that I can remember.
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This is probably a case where some teams will take him off the board altogether, and others will only downgrade him. It's going to be based on the medical report.

Would you draft Sterling Sharpe, knowing that you would only get seven years? I think so. Would you draft him if you only expected two years? Probably not.
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I've been calling Jones overrated for months now. He's basically living off other people's performances on the field. How much does he create by himself? Not a whole lot IMO. Add that to the medical issue and now this, I'm predicting a Da'Quan Bowers-esque drafte day fall. IMO Justin Houston was a better prospect than Jones is.
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I've been calling Jones overrated for months now. He's basically living off other people's performances on the field. How much does he create by himself? Not a whole lot IMO. Add that to the medical issue and now this, I'm predicting a Da'Quan Bowers-esque drafte day fall. IMO Justin Houston was a better prospect than Jones is.
In a way the medical issue just clouds things a little because i personally didn't see a ton of explosiveness from Jones. Totally agree on the Justin Houston statement.
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This thread is getting pretty silly. I get that Jones has medical issues, but he was dominant on the field. You don't rack up 45 TFL and 28 sacks in two seasons by living off other people's performances and not being explosive...
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This thread is getting pretty silly. I get that Jones has medical issues, but he was dominant on the field. You don't rack up 45 TFL and 28 sacks in two seasons by living off other people's performances and not being explosive...
Jones is a great player, you watch some film on him and you can't deny that, although some of his sacks and TFLs are more a result of Georgia's blitz heavy packages than any natural pass rush skills.

He'll fall a bit but stay in the first round, not only from the medical thing but from the fact that he supposedly has fairly short arms for a pass rusher, something that will cause him to struggle more with the bigger blockers at the next level.
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This thread is getting pretty silly. I get that Jones has medical issues, but he was dominant on the field. You don't rack up 45 TFL and 28 sacks in two seasons by living off other people's performances and not being explosive...
I think it's all in the context of him being a top 10 pick, not being a good football player. Not seeing Von Miller here.
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I've been calling Jones overrated for months now. He's basically living off other people's performances on the field. How much does he create by himself? Not a whole lot IMO. Add that to the medical issue and now this, I'm predicting a Da'Quan Bowers-esque drafte day fall. IMO Justin Houston was a better prospect than Jones is.
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I think it's all in the context of him being a top 10 pick, not being a good football player. Not seeing Von Miller here.
This is exactly where I'm at with him, too, and I've written it before. He's a player who looks to me like he gets a lot of his statistical production because of Georgia's scheme. He gets a lot of "cleanup" sacks. The Von Miller comparisons are really just size and production parallels. And when I say something like that, there's always someone to call me a "hater," but I really wonder what is going to happen to his stock if, say, he runs a 4.71 at the combine. No one's calling him a poor athlete by saying he's no Von Miller - no one is Von Miller but Von.
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There are legit concerns with Jones, but what he has done on the field should not be one of them. He has been one of the biggest playmakers and gamechangers in college football over the last two seasons.
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assume the sources are correct and he's not a top 5 pick. fair enough.

Every team from 6-10 has defensive issues and would be hard pressed to pass on him based on production. He'd have to absolutely flunk his medicals.

The Jets medical staff historically have been lenient. They drafted Chad, checked out Drob and Vilma's knees. Either don't prioritize long term productivity as a franchise or aren't good at picking up on pre-existing conditions. that may have changed in recent years but i doubt it.
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assume the sources are correct and he's not a top 5 pick. fair enough.

Every team from 6-10 has defensive issues and would be hard pressed to pass on him based on production. He'd have to absolutely flunk his medicals.

The Jets medical staff historically have been lenient. They drafted Chad, checked out Drob and Vilma's knees. Either don't prioritize long term productivity as a franchise or aren't good at picking up on pre-existing conditions. that may have changed in recent years but i doubt it.
There are two major types of spinal stenosis - one is a narrowing in the lower back called lumbar spinal stenosis, the other a narrowing in the neck, called cervical spinal stenosis.

If he has the lumbar type, teams won't be overly concerned, but if he has the cervical type, that's very dangerous and his stock could take a big hit. I'm guessing he has the cervical type, since it has been linked to trauma.
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Jones reminds me a lot of Bruce Irvin...edge rusher while being a liability in run support
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I think he's more instinctive than Irvin but i doubt he flashes that 4.5 time.

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assume the sources are correct and he's not a top 5 pick. fair enough.

Every team from 6-10 has defensive issues and would be hard pressed to pass on him based on production. He'd have to absolutely flunk his medicals.

The Jets medical staff historically have been lenient. They drafted Chad, checked out Drob and Vilma's knees. Either don't prioritize long term productivity as a franchise or aren't good at picking up on pre-existing conditions. that may have changed in recent years but i doubt it.
I don't think NFL teams are as worried about the performance on the field (which is quite great) as much as they are worried about how his injury might affect his ability to prepare for games at the NFL level and during games.

But yea, you can always find sources that will say one thing or that will lie.
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I'm not sure because of his production. I said last year that I wouldn't touch Melvin Ingram in the first two rounds, and I feel pretty much the same about Jarvis Jones.
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To be honest, based on what I understand about spinal stenosis, if I were a general manager of an NFL team, I would not have Jarvis Jones on my board.

If USC's docs wouldn't clear him to play, good chance my docs wouldn't either.
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I think this shouldn't really surprise anyone who has ever even had a minor back issue. Your core is involved in nearly everything that you do in the weight room, so yeah, spinal stenosis would probably keep me out of the weight room as well.

From what I can gather, this guy truly loves the game of football. That's more important to me than what a strength coach says about a prospect. If he didn't love football, do you really think he would have went to Georgia or would he have called it quits when SC's doctors wouldn't clear him. The fact that he didn't means that he wants this more than most prospects. Those are the people that make it.
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So now that the offseason/pre-draft process has started, Message Board Jarvis Jones has morphed into a Bruce Irvin clone who gets "cleanup sacks" and is terrible at defending the run. Hopefully NFL teams will be scouting the real Jarvis Jones.
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