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Old 02-04-2013, 07:50 AM    (permalink
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Te'o is the biggest and slowest of this bunch. He appears to have great leadership and diagnostic skills at his post. How do you ranks these players and who do you think will be the first off the board??
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I think all 3 are different types of players.

I probably like Minter the best. Te'o doesn't have great coverage abilities but is very good at recognising things pre and post snap. Ogletree is the new type of LB in the NFL. Converted DB who can run but I worry about him when he gets a body on him. I think all 3 are late first round type players though
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Not impressed with this group of MLB's for a 4-3D, and it's just ok for the 3-4D schemes. Major flaws with all these top prospects. Not to say none will be good NFL players, but they appear to be limited in their ceilings.
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I think Te'o is an ideal 4-3 Mike but could easily play ILB in a 3-4. A tampa two 4-3 that requires him to drop into coverage could present problems.

I think Ogletree's ideal spot is as a 4-3 weakside linebacker, where he could freelance and use his speed and athleticism to make plays on the edge. He would also fit nicely into a 3-4 ILB role. Not sure if he's physical enough to be a 4-3 MLB, but could work as a 3-down tampa two MLB provided his DTs are good.

I think Minter might be the most flexible linebacker in that he could feasibly fit into any LB role with the exception of 3-4 OLB.

Arthur Brown (see Ogletree). But he needs 10 lbs.
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I think Te'o is an ideal 4-3 Mike but could easily play ILB in a 3-4. A tampa two 4-3 that requires him to drop into coverage could present problems.

I think Ogletree's ideal spot is as a 4-3 weakside linebacker, where he could freelance and use his speed and athleticism to make plays on the edge. He would also fit nicely into a 3-4 ILB role. Not sure if he's physical enough to be a 4-3 MLB, but could work as a 3-down tampa two MLB provided his DTs are good.

I think Minter might be the most flexible linebacker in that he could feasibly fit into any LB role with the exception of 3-4 OLB.

Arthur Brown (see Ogletree). But he needs 10 lbs.
This is what I think as well.
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I like Minter the best. Ogletree struggles vs the run, can look foolish vs playaction and isnt all that physical. But his potential is through the roof.
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It's interesting that CJ Mosley has been left off.
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You are looking at 3 first rounders, who will be the best in the NFL is anybodies guess. Right now, I believe Te'o will be drafted the highest and if he can put every thing behind him, he should dominate as a pro. He'd have gone top 10 before the mess, now we'll have to see if the pros still think he has leadership qualities.
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It isn't outrageous at all to think that this Te'o incident will really impact him at the next level. I have a hard time believing people will look to him as a leader.
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It isn't outrageous at all to think that this Te'o incident will really impact him at the next level. I have a hard time believing people will look to him as a leader.
I definitely agree, at least initially. If he comes into the league and lets his play speak for him then in a few years I don't see why he can't be a leader (other guys have done worse), but it's definitely something that will be struck off initial evaluations of him
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It isn't outrageous at all to think that this Te'o incident will really impact him at the next level. I have a hard time believing people will look to him as a leader.
You never know how things will turnout. A leader is a leader is a leader, if he comes in as a pro and plays well, it will all be forgotten and his leadership skills will rise to the top. If he is a mediocre pro, then nobody will even care about his leadership ability because his teammates won't respect his skill level.
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It isn't outrageous at all to think that this Te'o incident will really impact him at the next level. I have a hard time believing people will look to him as a leader.
You could have said much the same about Ray Lewis before he reinvented/refocused himself following that murder trial.

I wouldn't be surprised if Teo uses this as the catalyst to refocus and work harder on and off the field.

That said, I am sure each NFL team has a very good idea of where they rank Teo as a prospect.
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You could have said much the same about Ray Lewis before he reinvented/refocused himself following that murder trial.I wouldn't be surprised if Teo uses this as the catalyst to refocus and work harder on and off the field.

That said, I am sure each NFL team has a very good idea of where they rank Teo as a prospect.
That really doesn't make any sense. That incident occurred when he was a pro, not a collegiate player entering the NFL. He wasn't just thought of as a leader, he proved he was a leader on the NFL level.
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I like teo the best, then minter for the steelers

Teo just has it all and could play all over in all 4 spots. Hes compliment timmons very well on the inside
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Minter is my top inside linebacker. He's got the measurables you want, but more importantly for me is his play recognition. He seems to always know where the play is going, and how to get to the ball the quickest.

I think Te'o is overrated, but not a bad prospect. He's first round talent, but this GF hoax will have an unknown impact on his stock. I would certainly be skeptical of him as a face of my franchise, and how he would mix with the locker room.

Ogletree I would rank below those two guys. Yes he has great athleticism for his position, but at the expense of strength and physicality. He can roam sideline to sideline, but if you get a blocker on him, he's effectively neutralized. In addition, power backs give him trouble. I think he gets taken in the first, but more because of potential than play.

And since Arthur Brown is been mentioned, I'll go ahead and comment on him. I think he has a good future in the pros, so long as he gets to the right system. He's a bit small for a linebacker, and there are very legitimate questions of how he'll deal with blockers. I've seen him use his athleticism to finesse his way off of blocks(not a bad thing), but then I've also seen him just routinely swallowed up by them. I think if he gets placed in a 4-3 with defensive tackles who can occupy blockers in front of him, he'll be a good player. I'm not so sure how he'll fair however in systems like the 3-4. We've recently seen smaller linebackers that weren't supposed to work in a 3-4 excel there(Bowman), so I wouldn't write him off, I'd just be hesitant. I'd overall rank him below Minter, in competition with Te'o for the number two spot.
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the problem with Te'o is that he was run over in the Alabama game. If all this stuff came out and he played with his hair on fire, no one would care. The fact that he rolled over like a beaten dog is what's killing his stock.
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the problem with Te'o is that he was run over in the Alabama game. If all this stuff came out and he played with his hair on fire, no one would care. The fact that he rolled over like a beaten dog is what's killing his stock.
Sometimes I wonder if part of that was because he wasn't mentally in it due to the impending **** storm he knew was coming his way. Not trying to make excuses for the raping he took for four quarters against Alabama, it's just something to think about.
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Sometimes I wonder if part of that was because he wasn't mentally in it due to the impending **** storm he knew was coming his way. Not trying to make excuses for the raping he took for four quarters against Alabama, it's just something to think about.

I agree but the league wants it's middle linebackers to get angry not get sad. Adversity is gonna happen... for example Adrian Peterson ran a 4.3 the day after his brother died. How you deal with adversity is what these guys are looking for.
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I agree but the league wants it's middle linebackers to get angry not get sad. Adversity is gonna happen... for example Adrian Peterson ran a 4.3 the day after his brother died. How you deal with adversity is what these guys are looking for.
I agree, I'm not defending him. I just wonder how much that had to do with his piss poor performace.
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I agree, I'm not defending him. I just wonder how much that had to do with his piss poor performace.
it probably had everything to do with his performance. but this is a league where guys get arrested and play awesome the next game.
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