Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida

bigbuc · 02-10-2013, 01:15 AM

Ok so Espn has him 7 on their top 32. And Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com has him going 3rd overall in a mock. Is this guy that good?

Matthew Jones · 02-10-2013, 01:31 AM

I certainly prefer him to a guy like Dontari Poe, but I'm not sure he'll go in the top ten. Right now I have him landing in Carolina at fourteen. I don't see him as a Suh or Dareus as far as prospects go. Then again, Tyson Jackson went third overall, so who knows.

JustisM · 02-10-2013, 02:45 AM

An NFL scout I talked to put it like this, "Every single DL coach in the league thinks they can make him the next Warren Sapp." I was hopeful that he would slip to GB at 26, but I think Star/Richardson/Floyd all go top 10-15.

Black Bolt · 02-11-2013, 09:34 AM

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An NFL scout I talked to put it like this, "Every single DL coach in the league thinks they can make him the next Warren Sapp." I was hopeful that he would slip to GB at 26, but I think Star/Richardson/Floyd all go top 10-15.

Really? I wonder if any of them remembers Warren Sapp was an absolutely dominant college player who didn't have to be turned into anything.

Halsey · 02-11-2013, 11:04 AM

Floyd doesn't strike me as a DT worth a top 10 pick. Few DTs are in my mind. I'd rather address other positions with a top 10-15 pick.

Nastradamus · 02-12-2013, 07:04 PM

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Really? I wonder if any of them remembers Warren Sapp was an absolutely dominant college player who didn't have to be turned into anything.

Well that would be the difference between saying he is Warren Sapp and saying you can turn him into Warren Sapp wouldn't it?

Black Bolt · 02-12-2013, 07:34 PM

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Well that would be the difference between saying he is Warren Sapp and saying you can turn him into Warren Sapp wouldn't it?

Well, no. Sapp was naturally strong and explosive. That can't be taught or manufactured. It's funny, even if with the notion he could be turned into the next Sapp, #3 overall is much higher than the REAL Sapp went.

Nastradamus · 02-13-2013, 11:09 AM

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Well, no. Sapp was naturally strong and explosive. That can't be taught or manufactured. It's funny, even if with the notion he could be turned into the next Sapp, #3 overall is much higher than the REAL Sapp went.

I think Floyd does have special strength and explosion. Is it the same as Sapp? I'm not sure yet, but I don't think its impossible. Sapp's draft day drop is an entirely different issue. In this particular draft, guys like Star Lotulei are being talked about at #3, that's who he has to compete against in this case.

nepg · 02-19-2013, 12:04 AM

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Well, no. Sapp was naturally strong and explosive. That can't be taught or manufactured. It's funny, even if with the notion he could be turned into the next Sapp, #3 overall is much higher than the REAL Sapp went.

To be fair, 1995 was a ridiculous draft class (looking back on everyone as a prospect - not necessarily how their careers turned out). Kyle Brady was the only prospect that had just no place being drafted ahead of Sapp, and he ended up having a really nice career.

Talking about Ki-Jana Carter, Steve McNair, Kerry Collins, Tony Boselli, Kevin Carter, Michael Westbrook, and Joey Galloway... That was a ridiculously talented bunch.

Black Bolt · 02-10-2013, 09:03 AM

I don't get the attraction. Yeah, he is very quick and seems to play hard every down. Runs stunts well. But he offers nothing in terms of bull rush. Basically, when guards got their hands on him, he was neutralized. That's not the sign of a truly top tier DT prospect. Sapp was a lot stronger.

Black Bolt · 02-11-2013, 09:32 AM

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I don't get the attraction. Yeah, he is very quick and seems to play hard every down. Runs stunts well. But he offers nothing in terms of bull rush. Basically, when guards got their hands on him, he was neutralized. That's not the sign of a truly top tier DT prospect. Sapp was a lot stronger.

Update: I just read that the next Warren Sapp, they guy who's speciality is the pass rush, the guy who is a certified top 5 pick, had a wopping 4.5 career sacks!! Did everyone here have a mass hallucination about this kid?

bitonti · 02-11-2013, 11:32 AM

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Update: I just read that the next Warren Sapp, they guy who's speciality is the pass rush, the guy who is a certified top 5 pick, had a wopping 4.5 career sacks!! Did everyone here have a mass hallucination about this kid?

ezekial ansah has 4 career sacks at DE. doesn't seem to matter

Black Bolt · 02-11-2013, 12:49 PM

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ezekial ansah has 4 career sacks at DE. doesn't seem to matter

Ansah has one year as a starter. Also, he's just learning the game of football. Also, he is highly disruptive in terms of TFL and batting balls. There are no parallel's between Ansah and Floyd.

bitonti · 02-11-2013, 04:32 PM

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Ansah has one year as a starter. Also, he's just learning the game of football. Also, he is highly disruptive in terms of TFL and batting balls. There are no parallel's between Ansah and Floyd.

and they play different positions. 4 career sacks isn't actually that terrible for a DT. Star has like 6.

4 career however is an atrocious number for a possible first round DE. JPP had 6.5, also in limited action (ju-co transfer).

The general point is that you don't need production to go high in the draft.

Babylon · 02-11-2013, 01:24 PM

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I don't get the attraction. Yeah, he is very quick and seems to play hard every down. Runs stunts well. But he offers nothing in terms of bull rush. Basically, when guards got their hands on him, he was neutralized. That's not the sign of a truly top tier DT prospect. Sapp was a lot stronger.

I like him but not crazy about the early round 1 talk. Watching most of the Florida games he was great against the run but i didn't see all that much push against the pass. He was MIA against Louisville.

I think in a perfect world you get your stud D-linmen like Red Bryant and Geno Atkins in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

killxswitch · 02-11-2013, 11:56 AM

Not sure starter-needy teams will look at him early. I could see him going to a team with a solid DL rotation, learning to correct some technique things , and emerging in a few seasons as a force at undertackle or 5 tech. His deficiencies are correctable. I see him as more of a 4-3 UT than a 3-4 DE. Not sure he'll ever offer enough as a pass rusher to justify a top 10 pick though.

Black Bolt · 02-11-2013, 12:59 PM

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Not sure starter-needy teams will look at him early. I could see him going to a team with a solid DL rotation, learning to correct some technique things , and emerging in a few seasons as a force at undertackle or 5 tech. His deficiencies are correctable. I see him as more of a 4-3 UT than a 3-4 DE. Not sure he'll ever offer enough as a pass rusher to justify a top 10 pick though.

Agreed. DTs get overrated all the time. Just look at Cedric Ellis. There was no justification for how high he went based on his play, but he went to USC of course and sometimes that's all you need. Floyd is from a football powerhouse that boasted a great defense and he is scene flying around the pile a lot. He is an average NFL DT at best, yet he was drafted #7 overall.

I honestly don't intend to dog Floyd out, but a top 3 selection is proposterous and I think this writer knows it.

SuperPacker · 02-11-2013, 07:49 PM

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Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
The next GM or personnel director that tells me Sharrif Floyd will fall past the 10th pick will be the 1st. He's going to get picked EARLY!

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thetedginnshow · 02-11-2013, 08:30 PM

Seems to be a really great year to need an interior lineman. If I really needed help up the middle, I'd seriously consider drafting two of these guys early on.

killxswitch · 02-12-2013, 02:08 PM

Every year the misinformation machine ramps up and every year people take the bait. It costs scouting depts nothing to put the word out there that this prospect is falling, or that prospect is rising. Anything to better your position so that a guy you want falls to you. I take these comments with a big grain of salt.

bigbuc · 02-12-2013, 07:35 PM

Kevin Weidi from Espn said this

After watching Floyd then Richardson. No question I'd rank Floyd ahead. More power/strength at POA. Not as much range but tougher.
about 4 hours ago

phlysac · 02-13-2013, 01:56 AM

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Kevin Weidi from Espn said this

I wonder how many starting college QBs have been kicked off the team and out of school?

Several I'm sure, but Weidl's the only one I went to school with.

bigbuc · 02-12-2013, 07:39 PM

Also this

Seeing a ton of talk on Floyd. Have now watched 5 coaches tapes and agree he's got top-10 talent. DOMINATING peformance vs. FSU.

D-Unit · 02-13-2013, 12:52 PM

I idea of taking DTs in the first round is so uncomfortable to me. So many busts, it's crazy. Floyd has a big bust factor to me.

bigbuc · 02-13-2013, 07:00 PM

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I idea of taking DTs in the first round is so uncomfortable to me. So many busts, it's crazy. Floyd has a big bust factor to me.

It's funny I feel the same way as well, but I will tell you from years of watching bad DT play in Tampa until last season with McCoy. The gap between a bum DT and a first rounder not living up to his top 20 money is light years.

If I were a GM and grading DT's the first thing I would look for is motor and hustle. It's those two things that will help you not draft a bust. He might not turn into a star, but he won't wash out on you as well.

Cause if you have a fat dude who sometimes wants to work in college. After a few millions bucks and a few more pounds he's not going to want to do much.