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NFL Network's Mike Mayock stated on the Rich Eisen Podcast that Alabama OG Chance Warmack is the best 2013 draft-eligible prospect he's seen on film.
"The best player I've seen on tape is the guard from Alabama, Chance Warmack," said Mayock. "Now he's not going No. 1, but he's the best football player (in the draft)." Mayock expects the 2013 draft to be heavy on offensive and defensive linemen in the first round, because they are the strength of the draft. Warmack is also Rotoworld draft analyst Josh Norris' top-rated 2013 player.
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Syracuse T/G Justin Pugh's tape is first-round quality, according to ESPN's Mel Kiper.
Kiper added that at worst, Pugh will be an early second-rounder. Pugh's arm length will be a big question throughout the process, but he does his best work in close quarters, fighting with defenders with a punch and latch near his body. After playing left tackle at Syracuse, a guard conversion is a realistic possibility.
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock said his "jaw dropped" after studying Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson on tape.
"The one kid I'm really interested in seeing run (at the Combine) is the Patterson kid from Tennessee," said Mayock. "You heard me say earlier I haven't seen any really explosive difference makers (in this draft); This kid's only played one year of Division-I football. And I put the tape on, my jaw dropped. And he's big. ... He's 6-foot-3, 200-plus pounds, and he flies. And he makes people miss all over the field. All I know is his ceiling could be really exciting because he's so darn raw. And I can't wait to see him run."
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock said on the Rich Eisen Podcast that he believes the 2013 NFL Draft is as deep as it's ever been, but short on "explosive difference makers" at the top.
"I think we've got more depth for the first three rounds than maybe anytime you and I have ever done the draft," Mayock told Eisen. "But I'm not seeing the difference makers at the top end. Every year, we've had a quarterback or a Von Miller. I'm not seeing the explosive difference makers at the top end of this draft and I'm not sure that the fifth pick is that much better than the 20th pick. Or the 30th pick. The good news is I think there's a lot of depth here. And there are a lot of really good football players."
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Former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah writes Purdue DT Kawann Short is "very likely to get picked in the middle-to-late portion of the first-round."
"Short was a dominating force at the Senior Bowl, where his combination of size, strength and quickness certainly caught the attention of the scouting community," says Jeremiah. "He has the tools to play in either front." The Boilermaker's foot quickness for his size really stands out at times.
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Some teams Daniel Jeremiah has spoken with feel Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins is more likely to go at the top of the second-round than in the first.
Jeremiah himself gave Hankins a late first-round grade, similar to our evaluation. "Hankins has excellent functional strength and should fit in very nicely as a 3-4 defensive end at the next level," Jeremiah writes. "As a pass rusher, he relies almost solely on power to push the pocket."
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock suggested on the Rich Eisen Podcast that Stanford TE Zach Ertz could be drafted ahead of Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert.
Mayock acknowledged that Eifert is "pretty special" and will likely be a first-round pick. Referring to Stanford, Mayock opined "They've got their own tight end who could go ahead of Tyler Eifert, in Zach Ertz. He's 6'6"-plus, runs well, catches. They're the top two tight ends I saw personally and probably the top two tight ends on anybody's board."
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Because of the underclassmen, this wide receiver class is loaded. The quarterbacks are close to awful, yes. But I love Patterson, Hunter, Allen, Hopkins, Bailey, and Austin as 1st round types. I know Hunter won't get drafted that high, and Bailey might not either, but I see something special out of both of those guys.
Then you tons of quality guys after that who can fit certain roles. Woods, Patton, Swope, Terrance Williams (heard bad things about his practice habits, but talented), Dobson, Wheaton. Plenty of solid 3rd day talent after that too.
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Because of the underclassmen, this wide receiver class is loaded. The quarterbacks are close to awful, yes. But I love Patterson, Hunter, Allen, Hopkins, Bailey, and Austin as 1st round types. I know Hunter won't get drafted that high, and Bailey might not either, but I see something special out of both of those guys.
Then you tons of quality guys after that who can fit certain roles. Woods, Patton, Swope, Terrance Williams (heard bad things about his practice habits, but talented), Dobson, Wheaton. Plenty of solid 3rd day talent after that too.
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justin hunter is under rated. his ball skills are awesome
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I agree. The combo of his injury plus the emergence of Patterson worked against him IMO. Head, how about Ocean Lakes High School? Justin Hunter, Marcus Davis and Shamarko Thomas will all be drafted.
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock stated on the Rich Eisen Podcast that Alabama OG Chance Warmack is the best 2013 draft-eligible prospect he's seen on film.
"The best player I've seen on tape is the guard from Alabama, Chance Warmack," said Mayock. "Now he's not going No. 1, but he's the best football player (in the draft)." Mayock expects the 2013 draft to be heavy on offensive and defensive linemen in the first round, because they are the strength of the draft. Warmack is also Rotoworld draft analyst Josh Norris' top-rated 2013 player.
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Syracuse T/G Justin Pugh's tape is first-round quality, according to ESPN's Mel Kiper.
Kiper added that at worst, Pugh will be an early second-rounder. Pugh's arm length will be a big question throughout the process, but he does his best work in close quarters, fighting with defenders with a punch and latch near his body. After playing left tackle at Syracuse, a guard conversion is a realistic possibility.
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock said his "jaw dropped" after studying Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson on tape.
"The one kid I'm really interested in seeing run (at the Combine) is the Patterson kid from Tennessee," said Mayock. "You heard me say earlier I haven't seen any really explosive difference makers (in this draft); This kid's only played one year of Division-I football. And I put the tape on, my jaw dropped. And he's big. ... He's 6-foot-3, 200-plus pounds, and he flies. And he makes people miss all over the field. All I know is his ceiling could be really exciting because he's so darn raw. And I can't wait to see him run."
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock said on the Rich Eisen Podcast that he believes the 2013 NFL Draft is as deep as it's ever been, but short on "explosive difference makers" at the top.
"I think we've got more depth for the first three rounds than maybe anytime you and I have ever done the draft," Mayock told Eisen. "But I'm not seeing the difference makers at the top end. Every year, we've had a quarterback or a Von Miller. I'm not seeing the explosive difference makers at the top end of this draft and I'm not sure that the fifth pick is that much better than the 20th pick. Or the 30th pick. The good news is I think there's a lot of depth here. And there are a lot of really good football players."
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Former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah writes Purdue DT Kawann Short is "very likely to get picked in the middle-to-late portion of the first-round."
"Short was a dominating force at the Senior Bowl, where his combination of size, strength and quickness certainly caught the attention of the scouting community," says Jeremiah. "He has the tools to play in either front." The Boilermaker's foot quickness for his size really stands out at times.
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Some teams Daniel Jeremiah has spoken with feel Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins is more likely to go at the top of the second-round than in the first.
Jeremiah himself gave Hankins a late first-round grade, similar to our evaluation. "Hankins has excellent functional strength and should fit in very nicely as a 3-4 defensive end at the next level," Jeremiah writes. "As a pass rusher, he relies almost solely on power to push the pocket."
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NFL Network's Mike Mayock suggested on the Rich Eisen Podcast that Stanford TE Zach Ertz could be drafted ahead of Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert.
Mayock acknowledged that Eifert is "pretty special" and will likely be a first-round pick. Referring to Stanford, Mayock opined "They've got their own tight end who could go ahead of Tyler Eifert, in Zach Ertz. He's 6'6"-plus, runs well, catches. They're the top two tight ends I saw personally and probably the top two tight ends on anybody's board."
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Hmm. How's my prediction about Patterson looking now? 
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Well a broken clock is right twice a day wouldn't you say. Seriously, i like Mayock's material. He isn't always spot on but i think he's certainly the best that comes out of NFLN.
He may be close on his prediction of Warmack but my guess is his last impression of the Bama guard bulldozing Teo and co. probably has more to do with it. Add to that he could be the top ranked player but position makes a huge differance in where guys get picked.
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Well a broken clock is right twice a day wouldn't you say. Seriously, i like Mayock's material. He isn't always spot on but i think he's certainly the best that comes out of NFLN.
He may be close on his prediction of Warmack but my guess is his last impression of the Bama guard bulldozing Teo and co. probably has more to do with it. Add to that he could be the top ranked player but position makes a huge differance in where guys get picked.
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So, I'm the broken clock?
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Okay, just checking. 
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Some teams Daniel Jeremiah has spoken with feel Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins is more likely to go at the top of the second-round than in the first.
Jeremiah himself gave Hankins a late first-round grade, similar to our evaluation. "Hankins has excellent functional strength and should fit in very nicely as a 3-4 defensive end at the next level," Jeremiah writes. "As a pass rusher, he relies almost solely on power to push the pocket."
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Don't agree - feel his strength is going to be at the 0 or 1 technique spot - came ailve when he played there. Often as a hybrid 3-4 DE for the Buckeyes and didn't look as good.
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Don't agree - feel his strength is going to be at the 0 or 1 technique spot - came ailve when he played there. Often as a hybrid 3-4 DE for the Buckeyes and didn't look as good.
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I would have to agree with you there, but either way Hankins is a one-dimensional run stuffer. I could see a couple of teams in need of an anchor in the middle getting him in the first round, but I think he could be closer to a second-rd pick at this point.
I pretty much agree with just about everything else in the article, though I do think Eifert will still get picked ahead of Ertz.
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Don't agree - feel his strength is going to be at the 0 or 1 technique spot - came ailve when he played there. Often as a hybrid 3-4 DE for the Buckeyes and didn't look as good.
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Yeah, Mayock is off here. Hankins will excel on the inside, with the ability to rotate outside if need be.
And his fawning about Patterson is ridiculous. Nowhere there does he mention anything about hands, blocking, route running, etc... Skills that are much more important than the difference between big and fast and average sized and kinda fast.
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Yeah, Mayock is off here. Hankins will excel on the inside, with the ability to rotate outside if need be.
And his fawning about Patterson is ridiculous. Nowhere there does he mention anything about hands, blocking, route running, etc... Skills that are much more important than the difference between big and fast and average sized and kinda fast.
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Patterson's no doubt raw, but he has a natural explosiveness that arguably no other WR in this draft has. He's phenomenal with the ball in his hands.
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Mayock Pre-combine position rankings for 2013 NFL Draft
Quarterback
1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
2. Matt Barkley, USC
3. Mike Glennon, NC State
4. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
5. Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Running Back
1. Eddie Lacy, Alabama
2. Montee Ball, Wisconsin
3. Andre Ellington, Clemson
4. Giovani Bernard, North Carolina
5. Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina
Wide Receiver
1. Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
2. Keenan Allen, Cal
3. Terrance Williams, Baylor
4. Tavon Austin, West Virginia
5. Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
Tight End
1. Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
2. Zach Ertz, Stanford
3. Gavin Escobar, San Diego State
4. Travis Kelce, Cincinnati
5. Jordan Reed, Florida
Center
1. Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
2. Brian Schwenke, Cal
3. Barrett Jones, Alabama
4. Khaled Holmes, USC
5. Braxston Cave, Notre Dame
Guard
1. Chance Warmack, Alabama
2. Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
3. Larry Warford, Kentucky
4. Kyle Long, Oregon
5. Brian Winters, Kent State
Tackle
1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
4. D.J. Fluker, Alabama
T-5. Menelik Watson, Florida State
T-5. Justin Pugh, Syracuse
Defensive End
1. Bjoern Werner, Florida State
2. Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
3. Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
4. Sam Montgomery, LSU
T-5. Datone Jones, UCLA
T-5. Margus Hunt, SMU
Defensive Tackle
1. Sharrif Floyd, Florida
2. Star Lotulelei, Utah
3. Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
4. Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
T-5. Kawann Short, Purdue
T-5. Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State
Outside linebacker
1. Dion Jordan, Oregon
2. Jarvis Jones, Georgia
3. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
4. Barkevious Mingo, LSU
5. Arthur Brown, Kansas State
Inside Linebacker
1. Alec Ogletree, Georgia
2. Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
3. Kevin Minter, LSU
4. Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
5. Kiko Alonso, Oregon
Cornerback
1. Dee Milliner, Alabama
2. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
3. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
4. Desmond Trufant, Washington
5. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
Safety
1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam, Florida
3. Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid, LSU
5. Zeke Motta, Notre Dame
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1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam, Florida
3. Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid, LSU
5. Zeke Motta, Notre Dame
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as much as i loved motta this season i really dont think he is the 5th best safety. He has made huge strides but still.
although i guess mayock has seen more film on motta than anyone else given his season-job
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Patterson is getting overrated. He's a great athlete but he isn't a great receiver. He has a problem holding onto the football. I'd take him in the 25-40 range, certainly not top 10 like some people think he'll go.
Also, if Mike Mayock "haven't seen any really explosive difference makers" he obviously hasn't looked at Tavon Austin.
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Patterson is getting overrated. He's a great athlete but he isn't a great receiver. He has a problem holding onto the football. I'd take him in the 25-40 range, certainly not top 10 like some people think he'll go.
Also, if Mike Mayock "haven't seen any really explosive difference makers" he obviously hasn't looked at Tavon Austin.
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I think your right that Patterson is extremely raw.
But the guy is a true junior who spent two years at a JC. It's not suprising that he isn't a finished product. If he was a finished prospect with his athleticism, he be right up Julio Jones, AJ Green and Calvin Johnson in terms of draft grade.
Troy Williamson went #7 and Darius Heyward Bey went #8. It's a WR class that lacks a top guy and Patterson will benefit from that.
I think he ends up a top 15 pick.
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Patterson is getting overrated. He's a great athlete but he isn't a great receiver. He has a problem holding onto the football. I'd take him in the 25-40 range, certainly not top 10 like some people think he'll go.
Also, if Mike Mayock "haven't seen any really explosive difference makers" he obviously hasn't looked at Tavon Austin.
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well he did lead the entire SEC in all purpose yards and made many SEC defenders look silly. he's raw but the he does have good hands something both overdrafted guys like williamson and DHB lacked
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"If you like him, he's Anquan Boldin," Mayock said. "If you don't like him, he's speed deficient." He notes that the "only" question teams have with Allen is his speed.
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well he did lead the entire SEC in all purpose yards and made many SEC defenders look silly. he's raw but the he does have good hands something both overdrafted guys like williamson and DHB lacked
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His hands aren't that good though. Or he doesn't use them at least. He's a very noticeable body catcher and this is a problem he will have to work on to succeed. I'm not a Patterson hater, I think he goes top 15, but he has to work on his craft quite a bit in order to utilize his natural talent.
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"With the NFL Scouting Combine in the rearview mirror, Mike Mayock unveils the second edition of his position-by-position draft prospect rankings for the 2013 NFL Draft."
Quarterback
1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
2. Matt Barkley, USC
3. Mike Glennon, NC State
4. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
5. Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Running Back
1. Eddie Lacy, Alabama
2. Montee Ball, Wisconsin
3. Andre Ellington, Clemson
4. Giovani Bernard, North Carolina
5. Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina
Wide Receiver
1. Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
2. Keenan Allen, Cal
3. Tavon Austin, West Virginia
4. Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech
5. DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson
New entry: Hopkins
Rise: Austin (4), Patton (5)
Out: Terrance Williams, Baylor (3)
Tight End
1. Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
2. Zach Ertz, Stanford
3. Gavin Escobar, San Diego State
4. Travis Kelce, Cincinnati
5. Vance McDonald, Rice
New entry: McDonald
Out: Jordan Reed, Florida (5)
Center
1. Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
2. Brian Schwenke, Cal
3. Barrett Jones, Alabama
4. Khaled Holmes, USC
5. Braxston Cave, Notre Dame
Guard
1. Chance Warmack, Alabama
2. Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
3. Larry Warford, Kentucky
4. Kyle Long, Oregon
5. Brian Winters, Kent State
Tackle
1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
4. D.J. Fluker, Alabama
T-5. Menelik Watson, Florida State
T-5. Justin Pugh, Syracuse
4-3 Defensive End
1. Bjoern Werner, Florida State
2. Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
3. Damontre Moore, Texas A&M
4. Sam Montgomery, LSU
5. Tank Carradine, Florida State
3-4 Defensive End
1. Star Lotulelei, Utah
2. Margus Hunt, SMU
3. Datone Jones, UCLA
4. Jesse Williams, Alabama
5. William Gholston, Michigan State
Defensive Tackle
1. Sharrif Floyd, Florida
2. Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
3. Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. Kawann Short, Purdue
5. Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State
Rise: Richardson (3), Williams (4), Short (5)
4-3 Outside Linebacker
1. Jarvis Jones, Georgia
2. Khaseem Greene, Rutgers
3. Arthur Brown, Kansas State
4. Sio Moore, Connecticut
5. Chase Thomas, Stanford
3-4 Outside Linebacker
1. Dion Jordan, Oregon
2. Jamie Collins, Southern Miss
3. Barkevious Mingo, LSU
4. Michael Buchanan, Illinois
5. Corey Lemonier, Auburn
Inside Linebacker
1. Alec Ogletree, Georgia
2. Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
3. Kevin Minter, LSU
4. Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
5. Kiko Alonso, Oregon
Cornerback
1. Dee Milliner, Alabama
2. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
3. Desmond Trufant, Washington
4. Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Connecticut
5. B.W. Webb, William & Mary
New entry: Wreh-Wilson, Webb
Rise: Trufant (4), Patton (5)
Out: Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State (3); Jordan Poyer, Oregon State (5)
Safety
1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam, Florida
3. Jonathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid, LSU
5. Shamarko Thomas, Syracuse
New entry: Thomas
Out: Zeke Motta, Notre Dame (5)
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TIGHT END
1. Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
2. Zach Ertz, Stanford
3. Gavin Escobar, San Diego State
4. Travis Kelce, Cincinnati
5. Jordan Reed, Florida
CENTER
1. Travis Frederick, Wisconsin
2. Brian Schwenke, Cal
3. Barrett Jones, Alabama
4. Khaled Holmes, USC
5. Braxston Cave, Notre Dame
GUARD
1. Chance Warmack, Alabama
2. Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
3. Larry Warford, Kentucky
4. Kyle Long, Oregon
5. Brian Winters, Kent State
TACKLE
1. Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2. Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
3. Lane Johnson, Oklahoma
4. D.J. Fluker, Alabama
T-5. Menelik Watson, Florida State
T-5. Justin Pugh, Syracuse
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Mayocks center rankings are interesting as he seems very high on Frederick, which I agree with, but Barrett Jones is lower than I would have thought, perhaps it is a health issue?
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Mayocks center rankings are interesting as he seems very high on Frederick, which I agree with, but Barrett Jones is lower than I would have thought, perhaps it is a health issue?
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dont forget barret jones was playing next to the best og to enter the draft in while. that likely made him appear like the best c in the draft.
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