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Old 03-11-2013, 02:54 PM    (permalink
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Could he now go #1 overall to KC. He in all likelihood will be a 12-15 sack guy in the NFL.
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I think you're being extremely generous with the 12-15 sack prediction. This should however help him to rehab his draft stock some. And i see no chance the Chiefs are interested with their first pick.
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Could he now go #1 overall to KC. He in all likelihood will be a 12-15 sack guy in the NFL.
And play him where?
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And play him where?
Could just "create a hole" as vidae would say.
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Jones could get cleared by every independent doctor in the world, and it would still come down to what team doctors think about it.

This report is just meaningless spin, presumably put out there by Jones' agent. If you're picking high, and your team docs aren't comfortable with Jarvis Jones, then you're not taking him high. We won't know what team docs think until the draft gets here.
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I think Jarvis Jones can play inside in that defense.
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Is Jacksonville switching to a 3-4? If so, there you go.
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Is Jacksonville switching to a 3-4? If so, there you go.
Running the same 4-3 LEO scheme that Seattle's running, so thanks, but no thanks to Jarvis at #2.
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I want Milliner Jones or the best DE to convert to a 3-4 OLB for the Browns possible.

Jones and Sheard off the edge would be so damn good especially if we can land Ellerbee in free agency paired with DQ.
jones at de in a 4-3 would be a disaster. he's only about 245 lbs, especially in the afc north where running the ball is a priority, move him to sam backer and use him like von miller
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Running the same 4-3 LEO scheme that Seattle's running, so thanks, but no thanks to Jarvis at #2.
just move him to sam 'backer in the base defense, he has experiece dropping into coverage and then just move him to end in the nickel defense, problem solved
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just move him to sam 'backer in the base defense, he has experiece dropping into coverage and then just move him to end in the nickel defense, problem solved
Bleh. I'd rather grab Ansah or Jordan in the first and then get an OLB in the 3rd, personally.
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I don't really think Jones is the elite talent people make him out to be. I'd be surprised if he's taken in the top 5, even in this down year at the top of the draft. I'd guess 8-10 will be where he is selected.
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I don't really think Jones is the elite talent people make him out to be. I'd be surprised if he's taken in the top 5, even in this down year at the top of the draft. I'd guess 8-10 will be where he is selected.
Who's a better pass rusher in this draft class?

Mingo? Ansah? Jordan? All of these guys are workout warriors with mediocre production in college. This type of player should not be chosen over a highly productive guy like Jones who is also athletic.
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Who's a better pass rusher in this draft class?

Mingo? Ansah? Jordan? All of these guys are workout warriors with mediocre production in college. This type of player should not be chosen over a highly productive guy like Jones who is also athletic.
To be honest, I would love to see all three of those guys turned loose and allowed to just rush the passer from a two-point stance+wide alignment on every ******* down like Jarvis was allowed to do in college.

Production (*especially* raw sack numbers) lie.
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To be honest, I would love to see all three of those guys turned loose and allowed to just rush the passer from a two-point stance+wide alignment on every ******* down like Jarvis was allowed to do in college.

Production (*especially* raw sack numbers) lie.
90% of all of the top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 17 or more sacks in college.

60% of the top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 30 or more sacks in college.

I like those numbers alot. I'd rather go with the odds than against them, to be honest.
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Who's a better pass rusher in this draft class?

Mingo? Ansah? Jordan? All of these guys are workout warriors with mediocre production in college. This type of player should not be chosen over a highly productive guy like Jones who is also athletic.
Keep holding on.
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Who's a better pass rusher in this draft class?

Mingo? Ansah? Jordan? All of these guys are workout warriors with mediocre production in college. This type of player should not be chosen over a highly productive guy like Jones who is also athletic.
Everette Brown and Brandon Graham vs Aldon Smith, Jason Pierre-Paul, and Chandler Jones. Same type of thing. Jordan and Ansah at least are have their best football ahead of them. Heck, Ansah has only been playing football for a few years, think of how scary good he'll be once he gets more exprience.

I like Jones, but a small, slow OLB pass rusher with health ?s is not usually they type of player that succeeds in the NFL even given his production.
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Everette Brown and Brandon Graham vs Aldon Smith, Jason Pierre-Paul, and Chandler Jones. Same type of thing. Jordan and Ansah at least are have their best football ahead of them. Heck, Ansah has only been playing football for a few years, think of how scary good he'll be once he gets more exprience.

I like Jones, but a small, slow OLB pass rusher with health ?s is not usually they type of player that succeeds in the NFL even given his production.
You have to understand, the person you are talking to is agenda driven and does not listen to reason. He is resigned to one train of thought and will not consider anything outside of that thought. He believes that college production trumps all in terms of predicting pro success, and that is not the case. He's been a complete broken record on this topic.

As far as Jones, I'll say it again, he had the most sack production, but he wasn't the best defender on his team. That would be Ogletree. Bigger, faster, taller, stronger, more agile, better in coverage, more range, far greater pro potential.
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Everette Brown and Brandon Graham vs Aldon Smith, Jason Pierre-Paul, and Chandler Jones. Same type of thing. Jordan and Ansah at least are have their best football ahead of them. Heck, Ansah has only been playing football for a few years, think of how scary good he'll be once he gets more exprience.
It's too early to tell re: Aldon Smith, Brandon Graham, Jason Pierre Paul and Chandler Jones.

Do you know that Profootballfocus.com had Brandon Graham as their #2 rated 4-3 DE in the NFL last year? And that Graham had the highest Pass Rushing Productivity (hits/hurries/sacks PER rush) of any defensive player last year? The reason you don't think about him as a great player is because A.) he was injured in his rookie season and had to basically sit out his sophomore year and B.) this past year he had to sit behind Jason Babin and play only part-time snaps despite being the better pass rusher and C.) he played on a team that sucked the past two years whereas Jason Pierre Paul played on a Super Bowl team just a year ago.

And despite his gaudy sack total in 2011, Jason Pierre Paul has done very little as a pass rusher in his career so far. Poor sack totals his other two years (for the amount of snaps he plays), the Giants DL was awful last year, AND Profootballfocus.com rates him as only an average pass rusher based on Pass Rushing Productivity the past three years, even in 2011 despite the sack total.

I could actually see Graham having a better career in the long run than Jason Pierre Paul.

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I don't really think Jones is the elite talent people make him out to be. I'd be surprised if he's taken in the top 5, even in this down year at the top of the draft. I'd guess 8-10 will be where he is selected.
I think he definitely falls outside the top 15.
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I think he definitely falls outside the top 15.
I wouldn't say definitely out of the top 15. Pass rushers get pushed up in the draft and it's not like there's several prospects who don't come with question marks to their game. A team like New Orleans, with their transition to a 3-4, would probably be excited to add an outside backer like Jones.
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I wouldn't say definitely out of the top 15. Pass rushers get pushed up in the draft and it's not like there's several prospects who don't come with question marks to their game. A team like New Orleans, with their transition to a 3-4, would probably be excited to add an outside backer like Jones.
Well, maybe I misspoke. He is not a top 15 player. Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to formally apologize to Manti Say-Ow. I thought you were slow until two days ago.

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I don't really think Jones is the elite talent people make him out to be. I'd be surprised if he's taken in the top 5, even in this down year at the top of the draft. I'd guess 8-10 will be where he is selected.
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I want Milliner Jones or the best DE to convert to a 3-4 OLB for the Browns possible.

Jones and Sheard off the edge would be so damn good especially if we can land Ellerbee in free agency paired with DQ.
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He is a dynamic athlete and would definitely interest the Jaguars. Particularly if they can trade back a bit with someone looking for a QB or OT. But whatever caused his neck problems is a concern. Especially with a linebacker who lives off sudden head on contact.
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