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One guy who should come out this year with a massive chip on his shoulder is a guy that has received for over 1100 yards in 6 straight seasons, amassing nearly 8000 yards and 50 TDs in that time. While his teammate is being pegged as a superstar blossoming before our eyes, forgotten is the man who still remains the best receiving option on his team - a team that includes a 13-time pro-bowl TE. Yes, Im talking about Roddy White, who was snubbed from the pro-bowl last year, while Julio Jones was voted in. While it's true Jones is a phenomenal talent, White still is a better route runner with better hands. White can't compare to off-the-charts athletes like Jones and Calvin Johnson, he is still one of the best size/speed/athleticsm/ball skills combos in this league. He is a savvy veteran still in his physical prime, and he came up huge in the clutch for the Falcons last year - a team that owned the league's best record for the entirety of the season, and did it by closing out tight games.

It's hard to say there is a go-to guy in the Falcons offense because they simply have too many great weapons (Jones, White, Tony Gonzalez, Steven Jackson, Jacqizz Rodgers, Harry Douglas), but it somehow feels like Roddy White is the go-to guy when the chips are down. Gonzalez is their first down and redzone menace, but he isn't nearly as effective of a downfield weapon as he once was. Throw enough balls in the direction in Julio Jones direction in a game and he will undoubetdly make some big plays, but he can't yet be counted on to get open and make the tough catches in clutch situations. When the game's on the line, Matt Ryan will make his reads, but Roddy will be the guy Ryan knows he can count on to get to the right place and make a big play. Richard Sherman, the self-annointed best corner in the league, has come out and publically called White soft, the product of a system, and not difficulut to stop. For whatever reason, White is not getting the respect he deserves as one of the top receivers in the league. It should matter that he has led his team in receiving six straight years, and that his team has made the playoffs in four of those seasons and had winning records in 5 of them.

Then again, the whole Falcon team doesnt get enough respect. Theyve been one of the leagues most consisently winning teams since they drafted Matt Ryan and hired Mike Smith, but get dumped on for their poor playoff record. In reality, this team didn't have the talent or experience to win in the playoffs a few years ago. They should be proud of overachieveing and making the playoffs those years, not bagged on for getting beat by superior teams. But things are different now. This team has had major upgrades in talent and are now battle-hardened. They consistently showed the ability to close out tough games and came very close to making the Super Bowl last year. Yet, they just dont get the same hype as the 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos, Patriots and Packers. This whole team should be coming out with a chip on their shoulder this year, eager to prove they are an elite team. Roddy White should be leading the charge in this department, playing hard to prove to everyone that he is an elite receiver.
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Roddy will always be the Robin to Julio Jones' Batman. The Falcons gave up a ton to get him and Julio is just more talented.

It's not dissimilar to the situation in Arizona when Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin were teammates.

They can't both be THE MAN.

Stop making excuses for the Falcons early playoff exits. No one cares.
If you don't win once your team makes the playoffs, you're not one of the better teams in the NFL.

How is it overachieving to be the #1 overall seed in the NFC playoffs???
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Roddy will always be the Robin to Julio Jones' Batman. The Falcons gave up a ton to get him and Julio is just more talented.

It's not dissimilar to the situation in Arizona when Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin were teammates.

They can't both be THE MAN.

Stop making excuses for the Falcons early playoff exits. No one cares.
If you don't win once your team makes the playoffs, you're not one of the better teams in the NFL.

How is it overachieving to be the #1 overall seed in the NFC playoffs???
lol dumbass im not a Falcon fan Im a Raider fan. I was rooting for the Niners in the NFCCG. Its just my opinion. And to me, your attitude is exactly why I wrote this. Julio is more talented, but Roddy is better. And if Matt Ryan needs a big play in crunch time, Roddy is THE MAN he looks for first. And its not really like the Anquan-Fitz situation because Fitzgerald had better fundamentals and hands and was more physically talented than Boldin there was no question who the #1 is. And in my opinion, the three previous seasons the Falcons got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, they overachieved in the reg season, but were not yet equipped for playoff success. With the emergence of guys like Thomas Decoud, William Moore, Sean Weatherspoon, Jacquizz Rodgers, Sam Baker, and yes, Julio Jones, along with additions of vets like Tony G, Assante Samuel and Steven Jackson, that has changed. This is no longer a young team without playoff experience and a deficiency of elite talent. This the kind of team I love to win Superbowls - great mix of grizzled veterans and young, talented players ready to step into stardom.
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lol dumbass im not a Falcon fan Im a Raider fan. I was rooting for the Niners in the NFCCG. Its just my opinion. And to me, your attitude is exactly why I wrote this. Julio is more talented, but Roddy is better. And if Matt Ryan needs a big play in crunch time, Roddy is THE MAN he looks for first. And its not really like the Anquan-Fitz situation because Fitzgerald had better fundamentals and hands and was more physically talented than Boldin there was no question who the #1 is. And in my opinion, the three previous seasons the Falcons got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, they overachieved in the reg season, but were not yet equipped for playoff success. With the emergence of guys like Thomas Decoud, William Moore, Sean Weatherspoon, Jacquizz Rodgers, Sam Baker, and yes, Julio Jones, along with additions of vets like Tony G, Assante Samuel and Steven Jackson, that has changed. This is no longer a young team without playoff experience and a deficiency of elite talent. This the kind of team I love to win Superbowls - great mix of grizzled veterans and young, talented players ready to step into stardom.
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lol dumbass im not a Falcon fan Im a Raider fan. I was rooting for the Niners in the NFCCG. Its just my opinion. And to me, your attitude is exactly why I wrote this. [b]Julio is more talented, but Roddy is better.[\b] And if Matt Ryan needs a big play in crunch time, Roddy is THE MAN he looks for first. And its not really like the Anquan-Fitz situation because Fitzgerald had better fundamentals and hands and was more physically talented than Boldin there was no question who the #1 is. And in my opinion, the three previous seasons the Falcons got knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, they overachieved in the reg season, but were not yet equipped for playoff success. With the emergence of guys like Thomas Decoud, William Moore, Sean Weatherspoon, Jacquizz Rodgers, Sam Baker, and yes, Julio Jones, along with additions of vets like Tony G, Assante Samuel and Steven Jackson, that has changed. This is no longer a young team without playoff experience and a deficiency of elite talent. This the kind of team I love to win Superbowls - great mix of grizzled veterans and young, talented players ready to step into stardom.
LOL WUT

how does Jones beat White in talent, but he isn't better?
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how does Jones beat White in talent, but he isn't better?
do i really have to answer? OK, there is obviously more to this game than talent. Theres football IQ, hands, route running savvy, consistency, nerves/being clutch...Jerry Rice is hands down the best receiver of all time. In terms of pure talent, hes not even close to the top when you consider the other athletic beasts out there. Not saying Roddy is Jerry, but if you think about the Jerry Rice-Randy Moss comparison, I think it applies to Roddy/Julio. Neither of them is as good as their legendary counterpart im comparing them to, but I think there are similarities.
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do i really have to answer? OK, there is obviously more to this game than talent. Theres football IQ, hands, route running savvy, consistency, nerves/being clutch...Jerry Rice is hands down the best receiver of all time. In terms of pure talent, hes not even close to the top when you consider the other athletic beasts out there. Not saying Roddy is Jerry, but if you think about the Jerry Rice-Randy Moss comparison, I think it applies to Roddy/Julio. Neither of them is as good as their legendary counterpart im comparing them to, but I think there are similarities.
Having a refined skillset is also 'talent'. It's not just pure physical ability.
I just don't think however you want to define it that Roddy White is either more talented or a better overall WR than Julio Jones.
That's no knock on Roddy, just that he's playing with a guy who might be among the 5 most talented WRs in the NFL.

Julio is more than just big and fast.
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I had no idea it was such a foregone conclusion that Julio was better until I saw these responses.
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Same here. I liked the comment a lot to how they are similar to Fitz and Boldin when they were on the Cards. They are both great. It is hard for me to give one the clear edge.
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Agreed. Roddy White is a GREAT #1. Are there WR's I would take over him in the NFL?? Obviously, Yes. But that doesn't take away from his skills/accomplishments.
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Yeah ive felt like Jones since being drafted was given the "glory and fame" and Roddy White was pushed aside. Dude is still there go to, he is there #1 and the best WR on the team.


I know this is a dumb example but its like a shiny new sports car that hasnt really changed, but it only really has flashy things that makes it stand out. All the while you have another sports car in the garage that is just as fast and has proven to be a winner, but not as flashy so people dont notice it...but at the end of the day when you need to win the race you always open your garage and use the car that no one notices.


SO sorry for the ramble... but people think Julio is soo much better because, he is faster, taller and can jump. BUT for some reason Roddy still is the guy that is matched up against #1's and is Matty Ice's go to.. riddle me that?


MAYBE it does not all come down to bigger and faster but who is actually better.
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Then again, the whole Falcon team doesnt get enough respect.
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Roddy is kind of overrated he drops to much across the middle for my liking and he doesn't really step up in big moments all too much. Yeah him burning Sherman was clutch but what other times has he done something like that?
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Well there was that winning touchdown against Baltimore a couple years back.
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Roddy is kind of overrated he drops to much across the middle for my liking and he doesn't really step up in big moments all too much. Yeah him burning Sherman was clutch but what other times has he done something like that?
11 for 84 and a TD
6 for 57 and a TD
5 for 52 (the 24-2 beatdown by the Giants)
5 for 76 and a TD
7 for 100

Those are Roddy's career playoff game logs. 3 games with a TD and another with 100 yards. At least 5 catches in every game. I'd consider that stepping up in big moments.

I love Roddy and think he's a top 10 WR in the NFL. That said, I'd still take Julio over him.
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just for conversation sake this is how Id rate receivers currently

1. Megatron
2. AJ Green
3. Andre Johnson
4. Fitzgerald
5. Roddy White
6. Brandon Marshall
7. Reggie Wayne
8. Julio Jones
9. Vincent Jackson
10. Demaryus Thomas
11. Dez Bryant
12. Torrey Smith
13. Michael Crabtree
14. Percy Harvin
15. Steve Smith
16. Marques Colston
17. Victor Cruz
18. Greg Jennings
19. Anquan Boldin
20. Desean Jackson
21. Wes Welker
22. Stevie Johnson
23. Mike Wallace
24. Dwayne Bowe
25. James Jones
26. Antonio Brown
27. Eric Decker
28. Jordy Nelson
29. Hakeem Nicks
30. Randall Cobb
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just for conversation sake this is how Id rate receivers currently

1. Megatron
2. AJ Green
3. Andre Johnson
4. Fitzgerald
5. Roddy White
6. Brandon Marshall
7. Reggie Wayne
8. Julio Jones
9. Vincent Jackson
10. Demaryus Thomas
11. Dez Bryant
12. Torrey Smith
13. Michael Crabtree
14. Percy Harvin
15. Steve Smith
16. Marques Colston
17. Victor Cruz
18. Greg Jennings
19. Anquan Boldin
20. Desean Jackson
21. Wes Welker
22. Stevie Johnson
23. Mike Wallace
24. Dwayne Bowe
25. James Jones
26. Antonio Brown
27. Eric Decker
28. Jordy Nelson
29. Hakeem Nicks
30. Randall Cobb
I'm sure most of these guys would be on my top 30 list as well, with a few changes here and there. Torrey Smith at 12 and Desean Jackson at 20 are two I strongly disagree with. You are also a bigger fan of Vincent Jackson's than I. All three of them would move down on my list. DJax might not be in my top 30. I think Bowe would rank considerably higher on this list if he wasn't stuck in Kansas City his whole career.
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I find it hysterical that Roddy White is somehow Robin to Julio's Batman, according to at least one poster. There is no doubt that Roddy is and has always been Matt Ryan's favorite target.

Roddy and the group of Fitz, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Julio, AJ Green, and Brandon Marshall are the NFL's elite wide receivers.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLB3BUcv0bE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZ4yFKL_II

The Panthers one should have been a ninety-nine yard TD.

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IMO there aren't 10 WRs in the NFL better than Dez Bryant/Torrey Smith/Victor Cruz.
Smith and Cruz are not top ten options and I don't find it close. I do think Bryant is right outside or maybe even in the grouping of the other guys I listed, which would put him in the top eight.
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I find it hysterical that Roddy White is somehow Robin to Julio's Batman, according to at least one poster. There is no doubt that Roddy is and has always been Matt Ryan's favorite target.

Roddy and the group of Fitz, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Julio, AJ Green, and Brandon Marshall are the NFL's elite wide receivers.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLB3BUcv0bE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZ4yFKL_II

The Panthers one should have been a ninety-nine yard TD.



Smith and Cruz are not top ten options and I don't find it close. I do think Bryant is right outside or maybe even in the grouping of the other guys I listed, which would put him in the top eight.
I agree with EVERYTHING you posted, minus Brandon Marshall being elite. Not trying to come off as a bitter Broncos fan, but he might get alot of catches and whatnot and everynow and then make some crazy after the catch plays....but he DOESNT score TD's.

In my mind what separates the good from the great, in terms of someone that can catch a ton of passes and someone that is ELITE is getting the ball in the endzone, and Marshall has had a whopping TWO 10+ TD seasons in his 8 year career. As a broncos fan i had to deal with him getting 1000+ yards and 100 catches, but like 5 td's a season .... he is top 10 for sure, but not top 5
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I agree with EVERYTHING you posted, minus Brandon Marshall being elite. Not trying to come off as a bitter Broncos fan, but he might get alot of catches and whatnot and everynow and then make some crazy after the catch plays....but he DOESNT score TD's.
Aren't you?
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Honestly no...if McDaniels wouldnt have torn the team apart like he did and traded away cutler and marshall....we dont have Decker, Welker, Thomas, Manning, Von Miller or Elway back as head of the Broncos today.
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