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Old 04-19-2013, 08:07 AM    (permalink
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Yo known, this guy continues to make claims that Sharrif Floyd is a top five player on every team's rankings. He started this nonesense out of the blue BEFORE the Combine, which was suspicious in and off itself. Why start pumping this guy up just before the measurables were in? Since that time, he has mocked Floyd to the Raiders in every one of his mocks. The curious thing is, although the Raiders have been tight lipped, there has been NO buzz about the Raiders being particularly high on Floyd. And although they need D-line help, it's been reported that the Raiders believe that DT is much deeper than DE in this draft and that they will go DE before they go DT. Also, it occurred to me that even when other analysts talk daily about what player will go to what team in the top ten, they almost NEVER reports Floyd as going to any other team beside the Raiders. It's either the Raiders or he's not mentioned in the top ten! If what Jeremiah is saying about his ranking has merit, then why doesn't anyone else link him to any other team?? Putting it all together, this clown is clearly creating his own buzz about the player and passing it off as coming from the NFL IMO. The fact is, he has some nice quickness, but doesn't have sack numbers, he is on the small side and has short arms, he's only done it for one year and perhaps most importantly, he is not scheme versatile. He is a 3 technique only! You tell me, how has Glen Dorsey looked in a 3-4 after Mayock went out of his way to convince the public that he fits perfectly in a 3-4? I really believe that Jeremiah has an agenda, noble or not as the kid has quite a story and appears to be very likeable. Thoughts?
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I like Floyd as a prospect but I honestly don't get this top 5 or top 10 stuff. He has good quickness and can penetrate, and yes, he played out of position a lot at Florida, but I don't think he is this can't miss prospect.

He isn't overly stout at the point of contact and if he doesn't win with his initial burst it's over. I have him as my 17th ranked prospect and think he can be a very good 3 technique who can play a little at end if you want to be scheme versatile, however I would take both Richardson (my #1) and Star over him every day
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I like Floyd as a prospect but I honestly don't get this top 5 or top 10 stuff. He has good quickness and can penetrate, and yes, he played out of position a lot at Florida, but I don't think he is this can't miss prospect.

He isn't overly stout at the point of contact and if he doesn't win with his initial burst it's over. I have him as my 17th ranked prospect and think he can be a very good 3 technique who can play a little at end if you want to be scheme versatile, however I would take both Richardson (my #1) and Star over him every day
I agree with all of this. I don't get the obsession with Floyd in the top 10. He's a guy that was mocked in the late 20's when the first mock drafts started rolling out. He still belongs in that range, in my eyes.

Edit: I shouldn't say that I'd still keep him in the late 20's anymore. He has shown enough to move up from there, at least. Late teens to early 20's. Don't see top 10, though.

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I agree with all of this. I don't get the obsession with Floyd in the top 10. He's a guy that was mocked in the late 20's when the first mock drafts started rolling out. He still belongs in that range, in my eyes.

Edit: I shouldn't say that I'd still keep him in the late 20's anymore. He has shown enough to move up from there, at least. Late teens to early 20's. Don't see top 10, though.
Actually, he was a 2nd rounder early on.
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I like Floyd as a prospect but I honestly don't get this top 5 or top 10 stuff. He has good quickness and can penetrate, and yes, he played out of position a lot at Florida, but I don't think he is this can't miss prospect.

He isn't overly stout at the point of contact and if he doesn't win with his initial burst it's over. I have him as my 17th ranked prospect and think he can be a very good 3 technique who can play a little at end if you want to be scheme versatile, however I would take both Richardson (my #1) and Star over him every day
Also, when you look at Missouri's Sheldon Richardson, they are obviously similar players. Richardson was briefly regarded as the best 3 technique until Floyd mysteriously passed him with Jeremiah's unexpected promotion. Regardless of what you think about either Richardson or Floyd, what happened that all of a sudden caused Floyd to completely leapfrog Richardson and leave him in the dust?? Richardson didn't get hurt, he didn't test positive and he didn't get arrested. Furthermore, he worked out just fine. So what happened? More evidence that Jeremiah is driving this car IMO.
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I think he'll be a very good undertackle for a 4-3 team but I don't see him as a top 10 talent in this draft.
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It's not just Daniel Jeremiah, it's a bunch of people. Pioli and Tannenbaum had Floyd in their top 10. Back in January, Pioli listed Floyd as his 3rd best underclassman. Matt Williamson said Floyd won't get out of the top 3. Greg Cosell said Floyd is his favorite player. Mike Mayock said Floyd was a top 5 pick before the combine. All this buzz must be coming from the NFL, especially when you have former GMs saying the player belongs in the top 10. I don't agree with them, I don't see a special player, but it is what it is.
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I've assumed (and maybe wrongly) that the reason for Richardson not being the #1 DT was the character/medical red flags - would you trust him as a top 10 pick? Only teams will know for sure, but I'm sure DJ and Mayock get a bunch of info for rankings from GM's/scouts.
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It's not just Daniel Jeremiah, it's a bunch of people. Pioli and Tannenbaum had Floyd in their top 10. Back in January, Pioli listed Floyd as his 3rd best underclassman. Matt Williamson said Floyd won't get out of the top 3. Greg Cosell said Floyd is his favorite player. Mike Mayock said Floyd was a top 5 pick before the combine. All this buzz must be coming from the NFL, especially when you have former GMs saying the player belongs in the top 10. I don't agree with them, I don't see a special player, but it is what it is.
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DJ isn't pumping Floyd up any more than these guys... you think they are ALL following DJ? I think it's far more likely that they all just see a similar thing in Floyd - a good prospect worthy of a high pick in a draft that doesn't have many blue-chip players.
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DJ isn't pumping Floyd up any more than these guys... you think they are ALL following DJ? I think it's far more likely that they all just see a similar thing in Floyd - a good prospect worthy of a high pick in a draft that doesn't have many blue-chip players.
Um, yes, he is. I have seen mocks done by some others that don't have Floyd going in the top five or even ten. With Danielson, it's always #3 to the Raiders. He's definitely driving the caravan.
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So this is all whining because you don't want your favorite team to take Floyd? Got it.
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So this is all whining because you don't want your favorite team to take Floyd? Got it.
Wow, why be a complete a-hole? You've done nothing but whine about everything you team has has done this entire off season and I didn't attack you, did I? Maybe you all will pick him to replace Dorsey and continue to suck.
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I've read rumors about some teams having Sylvester Williams ranked higher than Floyd, with Lotulelei and Williams atop the DT rankings. We'll soon find out.
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agree that he's not scheme diverse with 31 inch arms not really a 3-4 DE measurements. Compres to Sedrick Ellis or Broderick Bunkley type of player, which is fine but not a fit for the 3-4.
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Yo known, this guy continues to make claims that Sharrif Floyd is a top five player on every team's rankings. He started this nonesense out of the blue BEFORE the Combine, which was suspicious in and off itself. Why start pumping this guy up just before the measurables were in? Since that time, he has mocked Floyd to the Raiders in every one of his mocks. The curious thing is, although the Raiders have been tight lipped, there has been NO buzz about the Raiders being particularly high on Floyd. And although they need D-line help, it's been reported that the Raiders believe that DT is much deeper than DE in this draft and that they will go DE before they go DT. Also, it occurred to me that even when other analysts talk daily about what player will go to what team in the top ten, they almost NEVER reports Floyd as going to any other team beside the Raiders. It's either the Raiders or he's not mentioned in the top ten! If what Jeremiah is saying about his ranking has merit, then why doesn't anyone else link him to any other team?? Putting it all together, this clown is clearly creating his own buzz about the player and passing it off as coming from the NFL IMO. The fact is, he has some nice quickness, but doesn't have sack numbers, he is on the small side and has short arms, he's only done it for one year and perhaps most importantly, he is not scheme versatile. He is a 3 technique only! You tell me, how has Glen Dorsey looked in a 3-4 after Mayock went out of his way to convince the public that he fits perfectly in a 3-4? I really believe that Jeremiah has an agenda, noble or not as the kid has quite a story and appears to be very likeable. Thoughts?
1. Jeremiah pumped Floyd up there after he watched him, which was after the declaration and before the Combine, thus his ranking

2. He is plugged in, that is evident, and we can start to see his track record post draft but at this point signs point to him being very trustworthy. Even if I don't have Floyd that high, I can trust the evaluation.

3. He hates doing mock drafts. He has been on record on his weekly radio spot here in Pittsburgh that he is forced by employment to do it but wouldn't if given the choice.

What happens if Floyd does go to the Raiders? How will you respond in this thread then? I wouldn't go near libeling someone before the draft even happens.
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1. Jeremiah pumped Floyd up there after he watched him, which was after the declaration and before the Combine, thus his ranking

2. He is plugged in, that is evident, and we can start to see his track record post draft but at this point signs point to him being very trustworthy. Even if I don't have Floyd that high, I can trust the evaluation.

3. He hates doing mock drafts. He has been on record on his weekly radio spot here in Pittsburgh that he is forced by employment to do it but wouldn't if given the choice.

What happens if Floyd does go to the Raiders? How will you respond in this thread then? I wouldn't go near libeling someone before the draft even happens.
Even if he does come to us, that doesn't prove he is a top 5 prospect as ranked by supposedly the entire NFL. I'll ask again, if he is a top ten prospect, then how come he isn't linked to any other team in the top 5? Eagles? Nope. Chiefs? Nope. Jacksonville, Lions? Nope and Nope. Anyone in the top ten? Nope. Maybe he means to say he knows or thinks he knows that the Raiders are going to pick him.
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Even if he does come to us, that doesn't prove he is a top 5 prospect as ranked by supposedly the entire NFL. I'll ask again, if he is a top ten prospect, then how come he isn't linked to any other team in the top 5? Eagles? Nope. Chiefs? Nope. Jacksonville, Lions? Nope and Nope. Anyone in the top ten? Nope. Maybe he means to say he knows or thinks he knows that the Raiders are going to pick him.
I kind of want links to what you are saying. I dobut Jeremiah said the entire NFL ranks Floyd as a top 5 prospect. He likely said some or many teams did, which is probably true. The Jaguars and Eagles have worked out Floyd (per Schefter and nj.com). No offense, but it does sound like you are just hating on a guy because he thinks the Raiders will take a prospect you dislike.
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I kind of want links to what you are saying. I dobut Jeremiah said the entire NFL ranks Floyd as a top 5 prospect. He likely said some or many teams did, which is probably true. The Jaguars and Eagles have worked out Floyd (per Schefter and nj.com). No offense, but it does sound like you are just hating on a guy because he thinks the Raiders will take a prospect you dislike.
Oh, so everything else I said is invalid because I don't want the Raiders to pick him? That's quite an accusation. I could easily say it sounds to me that you are looking out for your fellow draft media guy.

No, I believe he is exaggerating teams interest in/ranking when it comes to Floyd and using the Raiders to increase Floyd's value. Funny, don't the Jags run a similar scheme? Yet he only has him coming to the Raiders. Furthermore, if he knows the Raiders are interested, then why not just say it? Finally, if the Raider do actually like him, why would I be mad at Jeremiah and not the Raiders?

As you can see, there are plenty fans of other teams that don't understand and don't agree with his WTF meteoric rise. Since you are here, do you have any insight as to why you nor anyone else was talking about him so glowingly until Jeremiah started pumping him up?

Finally, you are being too literal. He's obviously talking about most teams rankings, or at least that's what he is selling. And he is selling it HARD- and you don't ask why? Who else is he pimping like Floyd?
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Oh, so everything else I said is invalid because I don't want the Raiders to pick him? That's quite an accusation. I could easily say it sounds to me that you are looking out for your fellow draft media guy.

No, I believe he is exaggerating teams interest in/ranking when it comes to Floyd and using the Raiders to increase Floyd's value. Funny, don't the Jags run a similar scheme? Yet he only has him coming to the Raiders. Furthermore, if he knows the Raiders are interested, then why not just say it? Finally, if the Raider do actually like him, why would I be mad at Jeremiah and not the Raiders?

As you can see, there are plenty fans of other teams that don't understand and don't agree with his WTF meteoric rise. Since you are here, do you have any insight as to why you nor anyone else was talking about him so glowingly until Jeremiah started pumping him up?

Finally, you are being too literal. He's obviously talking about most teams rankings, or at least that's what he is selling. And he is selling it HARD- and you don't ask why? Who else is he pimping like Floyd?
Still waiting for a link to the "most teams rankings" comment as you go from all to most. Keep going.

My fellow draft media guy? Why would I need to do that?

And go back and listen to our podcast. Scott talked glowingly about Floyd right after the declaration deadline. And it isn't just NFL Net. McShay has said similar things.

You have officially got me pulling for the Raiders to get Floyd now though!
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He's a top 10 talent but I'm not sure if he fits with a 3-4 team, I guess we'll know on draft day. Terrific upside and should be a solid pro. When players are asked to switch schemes, there is always a degree of doubt for every player put in that position.
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He's a top 10 talent but I'm not sure if he fits with a 3-4 team, I guess we'll know on draft day. Terrific upside and should be a solid pro. When players are asked to switch schemes, there is always a degree of doubt for every player put in that position.
I don't think he is a top ten talent.
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I have honestly been more inclined to listen to DJ's opinions this year than Mike Mayock's. Mayock used to be my boy, but he just seems way out there and going way too much for the shock and wow factors than ever this year. It seems like every guy he mentions could slip into the first or second round. He says that for everyone, not sure he realizes there are only 62 picks this year.
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I have honestly been more inclined to listen to DJ's opinions this year than Mike Mayock's. Mayock used to be my boy, but he just seems way out there and going way too much for the shock and wow factors than ever this year. It seems like every guy he mentions could slip into the first or second round. He says that for everyone, not sure he realizes there are only 62 picks this year.
I think we are too hard on the guys hired to be scouts for NFL.com or even the ex GM's. Pro teams use a # of scouts to give feedback on prospects and it is never just one guys opinion that decides who a team will draft. Each scout in an organization builds up credibility over years with his GM and then most GM's go over the film as well and attend most of the post season events.

We see Mayock, DJ, Davis etc. all give their opinions and question each, but on a real team their opinions alone would decide a team's draft board and on draft day, each scout would be asked to sell the GM on why that team should pick player 'A' vs player 'B', then the GM decides which point of view he will follow.

Finally, we haven't a clue to what directions these guys get from their bosses at NFL.com, after all, it is a TV program they both work for. Initially Mayock may have had a lot more freedom in earlier days to state his opinions on prospects before the network was really aware of what it was doing, Mayock also wasn't encumbered by having another job as a TV announcer.

For all we know today, NFL.com may instruct Mayock to do a Kiper and change his rankings to keep up interest in the program so they can attract viewers and therefore sell more advertising, after all, it is a business which equals money which equals doing what you are told.

I think we all know that draft boards are pretty well set at this stage and if the NFL wanted, they could give a ranking that would really affect draft day decisions, but that would effect their TV ratings and cost them money, so we just have to put up with the crap they are trying to sell now. All I know is that just before the draft day, they will put out their final grades which will reflect their true grades but until then, all bets are off.
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I think we are too hard on the guys hired to be scouts for NFL.com or even the ex GM's. Pro teams use a # of scouts to give feedback on prospects and it is never just one guys opinion that decides who a team will draft. Each scout in an organization builds up credibility over years with his GM and then most GM's go over the film as well and attend most of the post season events.

We see Mayock, DJ, Davis etc. all give their opinions and question each, but on a real team their opinions alone would decide a team's draft board and on draft day, each scout would be asked to sell the GM on why that team should pick player 'A' vs player 'B', then the GM decides which point of view he will follow.

Finally, we haven't a clue to what directions these guys get from their bosses at NFL.com, after all, it is a TV program they both work for. Initially Mayock may have had a lot more freedom in earlier days to state his opinions on prospects before the network was really aware of what it was doing, Mayock also wasn't encumbered by having another job as a TV announcer.

For all we know today, NFL.com may instruct Mayock to do a Kiper and change his rankings to keep up interest in the program so they can attract viewers and therefore sell more advertising, after all, it is a business which equals money which equals doing what you are told.

I think we all know that draft boards are pretty well set at this stage and if the NFL wanted, they could give a ranking that would really affect draft day decisions, but that would effect their TV ratings and cost them money, so we just have to put up with the crap they are trying to sell now. All I know is that just before the draft day, they will put out their final grades which will reflect their true grades but until then, all bets are off.
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I think we are too hard on the guys hired to be scouts for NFL.com or even the ex GM's. Pro teams use a # of scouts to give feedback on prospects and it is never just one guys opinion that decides who a team will draft. Each scout in an organization builds up credibility over years with his GM and then most GM's go over the film as well and attend most of the post season events.

We see Mayock, DJ, Davis etc. all give their opinions and question each, but on a real team their opinions alone would decide a team's draft board and on draft day, each scout would be asked to sell the GM on why that team should pick player 'A' vs player 'B', then the GM decides which point of view he will follow.

Finally, we haven't a clue to what directions these guys get from their bosses at NFL.com, after all, it is a TV program they both work for. Initially Mayock may have had a lot more freedom in earlier days to state his opinions on prospects before the network was really aware of what it was doing, Mayock also wasn't encumbered by having another job as a TV announcer.

For all we know today, NFL.com may instruct Mayock to do a Kiper and change his rankings to keep up interest in the program so they can attract viewers and therefore sell more advertising, after all, it is a business which equals money which equals doing what you are told.

I think we all know that draft boards are pretty well set at this stage and if the NFL wanted, they could give a ranking that would really affect draft day decisions, but that would effect their TV ratings and cost them money, so we just have to put up with the crap they are trying to sell now. All I know is that just before the draft day, they will put out their final grades which will reflect their true grades but until then, all bets are off.
I can't remember what it was you said in the past that made me think you were an idiot... whatever it was, this was such a good post that I am now revising that statement to reflect the opposite.
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