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Here are my Weekly Prospect threads from the past five years. Always good to look back, I always do...

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Week 1:
*Stephen Obeng-Agyapong SR SS Penn State: Wow, what a safey prospect and in a down year for that position that kid could be a really highly ranked safety. Had a stellar game, good tackler, nice athlete, quick in coverage and can play around the line of scrimmage, really impressed with this abilities thus far.


*Laquon Treadwell FR WR Ole Miss: One of many outstanding Ole Miss freshman, he is one hell of a receiver. Very smooth, is a big kid but he can move very fluidly on the field and seems to have great hands. Much more impressive than last years #1 rated receiver coming out of high school.


*Andre Hal SR CB Vanderbilt: What an improvement he has made, such a physically strong corner, his reaction time seems a whole lot better. If he keeps this level of play up one could be talking about him as a top 7 corner in the up coming draft including the underclassmen.


*DaQuan Jones SR DT Penn State: Another Penn State standout, played an amazing game, I think he had over ten tackles, a few tackles for a loss. Was in great shape, quick, brings power as well, really impressive outing for him and looks like the weight loss really helped his game.


*Robert Nkemdiche FR DE Ole Miss: What a tank, he is so big and strong, just pushes guys over at times. What an elite player, so far looks like the real deal, big power defensive end that can stop the run and rush the passer.


*Christian Hackenberg FR QB Penn State: Really strong showing for him, looks great in the pocket, stands tall and throws the ball very well and quickly. With that great coaching at Penn State he could develop into an extremely elite quarterback in that system.


*Allen Robinson JR Penn State: He was so good last year and seems better this year. He did so much in just a half in that game, very impressive after the catch and has great hands and such deceptive speed and quickness.


*Tony Conner FR SS Ole Miss: Is so confident on the field already, just has that swagger about him, he is tough, not afraid of the ball and tackles well and is good in coverage. If he can become a corner watchout but at safety he is extremely elite as well, great player.


*Chuckie Keeton QB JR Utah State: Damn he is fun to watch, so quick and fast and fearless. Great leader, brings a lot of passion to the game, I think he could be a very dangerous receiver in the NFL potentially if QB does not work out for him but he still has time to improve and work on that part of his game, he is so dangerous with the football in his hands.


*Mike Evans SOPH WR Texas A&M: He is an big time receiver, such a great athlete, so powerful and fast with his size. He is a very good player that really is underrated by a lot of people and does not get the attention he should.


*Trey Edmunds FR RB Virginia Tech: Hard to not be impressed with what he did against Alabama, shows good size and great speed in the open field. Kind of fools people with that number but he is a very good looking prospect early on.


*Austyn Carta-Samuels SR QB Vanderbilt: Loved his game at Wyoming so long again, nice to see he is getting a chance again. Great competitor, throws a fast ball, moves well. Is not a super prospect but depending on how he does this year he could be a solid late round pick possibly.


*Jordan Lucas SOPH CB Penn State: Really strong showing for him, good tackler, tough kid, built well and is aggressive. Stood out to me and should only get better with age.


*Deshazor Everett JR FS Texas A&M: He could be an elite level safety or corner I think. Really an outstanding defensive back, played great against Alabama last year and is starting off good this season, big physical defensive back to watchout for.


*Mike Davis SOPH RB South Carolina: Had a great game, showed top end speed in the open field and has a nice build as a player. Should pickup right where Lattimore left for for the Gamecocks.


*Gerald Christian JR TE Louisville: Physically he is very impressive, great build for a tight end and should get more than enough opportunities with such a talented quarterback throwing him the ball.


*Vic Beasley JR DE Clemson: Really played great, was big time last year and even better this season. He is so fast off the edge with great quickness in speed. Another long line of fine Clemson defensive ends, and his teammate Crawford did quite well also.


*Laremy Tunsil FR OT Ole Miss: Looked good in his first game, huge kid and seems to be a really fine athlete, will be fun to watch him develop.


*Kasen Williams JR Washington: Was good last year and seems to have got a lot faster this season. Awesome physical athlete, big hands and being in better shape he could be a monster receiver to cover.



Other players who impressed or stoodout:
*Norkeithus Otis JR OLB UNC
*Walker May SR DE Vandy
*Skai Moore FR OLB South Carolina
*Evan Engram FR TE Ole Miss
*James Hurst SR OT UNC
*Shaq Roland SOPH WR South Carolina
*Garry Gilliam SR OT Penn State
*Martez Shabazz SR CB Minnesota
*Caleb Azubike SOPH DE Vandy






Disappointed...........
Bo Wallace JR QB Ole Miss: Good player, I still like him but would he stop running the football? The kid is not a elite runner, sure he can get yards but he might end his career if he keeps going up in there and getting hit so hard and so often. Because unlike other read option quarterbacks Wallace cannot really escape or run away from people and make them miss.

Logan Thomas SR QB Virginia Tech: Kind of seemed lost out there, did not throw an accurate ball, but to his defense his receivers are awful but still most great quarterbacks make bad receivers look better if not good.

Kareem Martin SR DE UNC: Big time prospect size wise, did not really do a thing in the South Carolina game it seemed, did not show up or make many impact plays at all.




*Note:
With Ole Miss, I cannot remember in the last 15+ seasons of watching college football a better start for a freshman class. Having that many #1 rated players...all starting and playing the way they did, it is amazing! I cannot recall a team having players like that on the first day do what they did. Wow!
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Todd Gurley?
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Buffalo LB Khalil Mack had a terrific game.

Ohio St. LT Jack Mewhort had a good game as well.
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Buffalo LB Khalil Mack had a terrific game.

Ohio St. LT Jack Mewhort had a good game as well.
Right on with Mack and it was against OSU not some cupcake.

I love how Vinny Sunsieri plays. He just is so sound and is usually one step ahead of the offense. People are going to say he's this or that but his measurables are at least as good as Kenny Vaccaro so it will be interesting to see the level of interest for him at the next level.
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Jordan Matthews would disagree with your love of Carta-Samuels. He was trying to get him killed out there, he got him to throw up all over the field ffs. Jordan Matthews carried that offense, it stinks that the interception that ended the game was a pass that bounced off his hands, but Vandy would've never have been in the game if it weren't for him. Would not surprise me if Jordan Matthews is drafted ahead of Marqise Lee at all. Not saying it will happen, just saying that he could end up being more highly coveted because of his size and intangibles.
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The freshmen all looked good, but Treadwell stole the show. Very excited about this group.
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Ohio St. LT Jack Mewhort had a good game as well.
Mack was a MONSTER in that game. I feel like he elevated himself the most out of anyone in terms of Draft Prospects.
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Wyoming QB Brett Smith looked really good against us. I know Nebraska's defense sucks but he was just making plays out there and looked as well throwing on the run as he does from the pocket.
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Colorado's Paul Richardson went off. True freshman Cal QB Jared Goff looked impressive. USC players Leonard Williams and Dion Bailey look even better in their new positions. Auburn's Montravious Adams looks like Nick Fairley Jr. Oregon's Ricky Heimuli is a beast.
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Davis is unsurprising for most Gamecock fans. His few carries last year unsettled many of us, because we knew he was our future and should've been given more opportunities. His speed should surprise no one, but his power was actually a pleasant surprise. Between him and Wilds, there are no worries with the running game.
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You said exactly what I came in here to say about Mike Evans so well done. He's got some sick measurables and he's got a Jimmy Graham type of background as a basketball player who hasn't been playing football that long. He looks like he's gonna be a more athletic Marques Colston.
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Gurley is Darren McFadden.
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I can deal with that although I think McGahee.
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McFadden is a twig with no power.
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Obeng-Agyapong also plays situational LB, as well.

Gilliam is an intriguing prospect. Athletic 265lb TE turned 305lb OT. If anyone missed his game, he ran down a Syracuse DB on a fumble return and made a TD-saving tackle. Note he's a 5th year senior but will return to PSU in 2014 for a 6th year after he missed 2 seasons due to an ACL injury and subsequent post-surgical complications.
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The game is just in the 2nd Quarter but Jameis Winston looks amazing so far.

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I agree, I saw a sign on the field that said "Famous Jameis"....and he will be if he keeps this up.

Wow, throws the ball very well, on time, on target, in rhythm. He seems tough, can take a hit, has great body language, can run around and make plays with his feet if he needs to but is not a running quarterback only. Just an amazing performance, he seems to have it all. If he keeps this up he could be considered one of the best quarterbacks in the country and I would not be surprised if he is considered a better prospect than Teddy Bridgewater by the end of this season. Just what amazing potential!

He is quicker in the pocket, throws a faster ball it seems and is playing way better than Teddy did as a freshman right off the bat. Sure it is just one game but wow, what a player!
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he looks like a stud so far.17-18 with 3 TDs in one half of football. plus Greene looks pretty good as well, he reminds me of Desean Jackson a lot. has great speed, and shifty player. makes guys miss.
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Week 1:
Kyler Fackrell SOPH OLB Utah State: Really like his size as an outside linebacker, he is very active, gets into the backfield, makes plays. Is a really good young prospect and if I remember correctly he made a good amount of plays last year as a RS freshman.


Christian Jones SR ILB Florida State: Great move by FSU, putting him as a situational pass rusher really helps his stock. It shows what he can do and makes him more well rounded, really will help him and with a fine year could move him into a 1st round pick.


Jameis Winston RS FR QB Florida State: Superstar, simple as that. Already talked about him a little bit, but if he keeps this up, throwing with that accuracy and power, having such great footwork and mechanics in the pocket along with securing the football......He will be the most wanted quarterback prospect in the country regardless of class.


Dillion Gordon SOPH TE LSU: Love his size and strength at tight end, one to watch out for as a blocker and basically a sixth offensive lineman type tight end. And anything he can do in the passing game is just a plus.


Kenny Shaw SR WR Florida State: What an improvement in his game, he seems a lot faster and quicker. If he keeps up this level of play he will be a draftable receiver, good hands and smooth runner.


Aaron Donald SR DT Pitt: Played very good, he is not on a good defense but he is a good player and can consistent get pressure and make plays without much help around him.


Terrence Magee JR RB LSU: Not sure where he has been this long, almost never saw him but he showed up against TCU. Showed good speed, tough little runner, compact frame and ran hard, will see if he keeps that spot when Hill comes back.


Terrence Brooks SR FS Florida State: Another very improved player for FSU, made great breaks on the ball, was aggressive in pass coverage and covered the field very well. Took over the big shoes of Joyner at safety with his move back to corner, where he will most likely be a 1st round pick as a corner.




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Mario Edwards Jr SOPH DE Florida State: Did not make many plays at all, seemed slow, did not get great push or get off blocks. So far pretty big disappointment from such a highly ranked player, will see if he can play with a little more effort and make plays as the season goes on.

Casey Pachall SR QB TCU: Was not impressive, looked rusty and not very accurate. Not a good first showing for him, such a talented player with his arm and legs but mentally he just might not have the toughness or ability to over come challenges like the greats have. We will see what happens throughout the year.





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Robcards Jordan Matthews would disagree with your love of Carta-Samuels. He was trying to get him killed out there, he got him to throw up all over the field ffs. Jordan Matthews carried that offense, it stinks that the interception that ended the game was a pass that bounced off his hands, but Vandy would've never have been in the game if it weren't for him. Would not surprise me if Jordan Matthews is drafted ahead of Marqise Lee at all. Not saying it will happen, just saying that he could end up being more highly coveted because of his size and intangibles.
Matthews did play great, but it was just nice to see Carta-Samuels play ok after being gone for so long. Kind of like Tom Savage, not a great performance but nice to see him back and seem him producing on the field, will see how the season goes for both of them.

As for the draft, Matthews will be a high pick but would be very surprised if he could jump ahead of all and be the first out of these receivers that could potentially come out. Fine player though of course and has been good for a long time. I would put Matthews around middle of the pack of this group.

Marqise Lee USC JR
Sammy Watkins Clemson JR
Kelvin Benjamin Florida State RS SOPH
Allen Robinson Penn State JR
DeVante Parker Louisville JR
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Gilliam is an intriguing prospect. Athletic 265lb TE turned 305lb OT. If anyone missed his game, he ran down a Syracuse DB on a fumble return and made a TD-saving tackle. Note he's a 5th year senior but will return to PSU in 2014 for a 6th year after he missed 2 seasons due to an ACL injury and subsequent post-surgical complications.
That is great to hear Gilliam has time to develop more, he kind of had a rough time blocking during that game, but showed great athletic ability now just does he have the toughness. Reid Fragel was kind of the same, now he is on the Bengals practice squad but just takes time to develop that ability from being a TE moving to a OT. Jason Peters it took about a year or so to develop once he got into the league.
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Jameis Winston RS FR QB Florida State: Superstar, simple as that. Already talked about him a little bit, but if he keeps this up, throwing with that accuracy and power, having such great footwork and mechanics in the pocket along with securing the football......He will be the most wanted quarterback prospect in the country regardless of class.
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Jameis Winston used pump fakes and shoulder fakes something for whatever reason few quarterbacks use in college. He stood in the pocket well did not always run away from trouble and could take a hit and still look down field. He was great throwing on the run, throwing on the move, throwing under pressure. He kept his feet and shoulders square, and even when he made a mistake he could get himself out of it. I would call that good footwork in the pocket and good pocket presence and ability to move and throw.

I don't know what game you were watching but that is what I saw. His pocket presence, mentality and ability to stay in the pocket and look down field is something few quarterbacks with his athletic ability have at the college level.


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I think under O'brien, he can develop into a top signal caller and first round prospect. he just has IT
He did play very well, but that offense makes quarterbacks look good based off last season. Take Matthew McGloin from last year and how great he developed under that system, sure he made the Raiders roster and beat out Tyler Wilson, but if O'Brien was not the coach of that team he probably would not even be in the NFL right now.

I really like how quick of a release he had, and still crazy they could still get the #1 QB recruit to still come to Penn State even after all that happened. Coach O'Brien is already one of the best coaches in college football and what he is doing at Penn State is really historic, that culture he has already created there.
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Jameis Winston used pump fakes and shoulder fakes something for whatever reason few quarterbacks use in college. He stood in the pocket well did not always run away from trouble and could take a hit and still look down field. He was great throwing on the run, throwing on the move, throwing under pressure. He kept his feet and shoulders square, and even when he made a mistake he could get himself out of it. I would call that good footwork in the pocket and good pocket presence and ability to move and throw.

I don't know what game you were watching but that is what I saw. His pocket presence, mentality and ability to stay in the pocket and look down field is something few quarterbacks with his athletic ability have at the college level.
Judging from this, I'm not really sure you understand what football mechanics are. Either that, or you're just going off on tangents entirely unrelated to what I actually said.

Mechanics are not an all encompassing term for the mental side of the game. It's not really mental at all, it's pretty much all muscle memory. Pump fakes, shoulder fakes, keeping eyes down field, etc., none of those are issues of mechanics, they are all intentional mental choices that are entirely situation dependent, compared to mechanics which should remain constant no matter what.

And when it comes to mechanics, it's Winston's clear weakness. He has a very slow release. When NFL corners aren't giving his receivers as much free space, it can very easily affect him. He too often holds the ball low when standing in the pocket which isn't going to help him speed up any. While he seems to have a natural understanding of how to place his weight, his footwork is nonetheless far from refined.

It was his first game as a redshirt freshman, so these things are somewhat expected and certainly addressable by the time he starts competing for an NFL roster spot. But at it stands are now, mechanics are an area of necessary improvement for him, far from "great".
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I think under O'brien, he can develop into a top signal caller and first round prospect. he just has IT
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Hackenburgh had the poise of a vet out there. Didn't seem scared, nervous, or flinch unde pressure.

I think under O'brien, he can develop into a top signal caller and first round prospect. he just has IT
I was impressed with Goff from Cal as well. His two int's came off of tipped passes. He showed a big time arm, I think he will be a good one as well.

The TT kid - the walk-on Freshmen had a big game - granted that team has a certain stigma when it comes to offensive system the school is associated with but the fact Kliff Kingsbury is there and was a catalyst for Manziel last season at College Station makes him someone to watch as his career progresses.
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I think under O'brien, he can develop into a top signal caller and first round prospect. he just has IT
He does. He looked calm and totally in control, even on the few bad passes he had.

The playbook was kind of limited to get his feet wet but I expect things to be expanded quite a bit this week vs. a weaker team and after having some real game tape for him and O'Brien to look at in practice.
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