Patrickt Turner & Vidal Hazelton

Originally Posted by elway777

Or you could've saved the time and not posted at all, instead of coping with the fact you can't put together an actual response that would help your arguement.

First of all, you don't even know what my argument is. Second, if you can't answer my question, then don't waste my time with your petty insults.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Elway, BN has no arguement, he has his opinion, thats all it is, i simply tried to help him realize there was more to it than what he thought, but he will not accept that... We need to stop calling what he is saying a arguement it is merely a ignorant opinion

I really do not see how i did not answer your question, i provided you with information you did not know, and you continue to not see any fault in your logic, but whatever man.

I mean truely BN answer this, is it true all you knew going into this situation was that vidal's dad did not sign the letter? I can see how you would make the judgement if that is all you knew, but there was much more to it than that...

By continuing to respond how you are you are doing nothing be degrading your opinion among the other posters, so i don't see what it is you are trying to accomplish here

[andyjo672]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

I did answer you. Thanks for jumping in with the rest of them though. Conforming is fun.

OH I SEE WHATS GOING ON HERE! BN hates conformity, and therefore most likely hates his dad who probably works for the big evil corporate machine. As a result, he cant stand the fact that Vidal's dad would attempt to help his son make a well educated decision. Why dont you go listen to some more crappy dungeon rock music in your poorly lit basement while your parents are upstairs talking about what went wrong with you...shouldn't you be at work being the disgruntled 30 year old working at the local 7/11?

Its not conformity idiot, its making a well reasoned point after objectively reading all the posts in this topic.

Originally Posted by DoWnThEfiElD

Elway, BN has no arguement, he has his opinion, thats all it is, i simply tried to help him realize there was more to it than what he thought, but he will not accept that... We need to stop calling what he is saying a arguement it is merely a ignorant opinion

I really do not see how i did not answer your question, i provided you with information you did not know, and you continue to not see any fault in your logic, but whatever man.

I mean truely BN answer this, is it true all you knew going into this situation was that vidal's dad did not sign the letter? I can see how you would make the judgement if that is all you knew, but there was much more to it than that...

By continuing to respond how you are you are doing nothing be degrading your opinion among the other posters, so i don't see what it is you are trying to accomplish here

OK. For the 500th time. Here is the question I'm asking. Forget anything else about the situation.

If Vidal Hazelton was having second thoughts about USC, why would his dad be the one to not sign the LOI? Why wouldn't he just not sign it himself?

That's the question. If you stop with your "Let's all hate on BN27" bullshit and think about it for 1 second, you'll realize it's a legit question. Maybe then you assholes can pull your heads from your asses and answer it.

Originally Posted by andyjo672

OH I SEE WHATS GOING ON HERE! BN hates conformity, and therefore most likely hates his dad who probably works for the big evil corporate machine. As a result, he cant stand the fact that Vidal's dad would attempt to help his son make a well educated decision. Why dont you go listen to some more crappy dungeon rock music in your poorly lit basement while your parents are upstairs talking about what went wrong with you...shouldn't you be at work being the disgruntled 30 year old working at the local 7/11?

Its not conformity idiot, its making a well reasoned point after objectively reading all the posts in this topic.

wow. more mature posting from the NFLDC all stars.

[andyjo672]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

wow. more mature posting from the NFLDC all stars.

Everyone was being civil in this forum, until you upped the ante. If you can be respectful expect us to kindly return the favor.

Originally Posted by andyjo672

Everyone was being civil in this forum, until you upped the ante. If you can be respectful expect us to kindly return the favor.

bullshit.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

OK. For the 500th time. Here is the question I'm asking. Forget anything else about the situation.

If Vidal Hazelton was having second thoughts about USC, why would his dad be the one to not sign the LOI? Why wouldn't he just not sign it himself?

That's the question. If you stop with your "Let's all hate on BN27" bullshit and think about it for 1 second, you'll realize it's a legit question. Maybe then you assholes can pull your heads from your asses and answer it.

Ok the answer for the 500th time... He was being a parent, and doing what he thought was right. You act like still to this day the guy has not signed the letter... He was generally concerned about Vidal, so he basically bought his son more time... Kinda get it?

Now let me ask you a question, Why did you make a judgement about a person, and a situation you knew nothing about?

[andyjo672]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

OK. For the 500th time. Here is the question I'm asking. Forget anything else about the situation.

If Vidal Hazelton was having second thoughts about USC, why would his dad be the one to not sign the LOI? Why wouldn't he just not sign it himself?

That's the question. If you stop with your "Let's all hate on BN27" bullshit and think about it for 1 second, you'll realize it's a legit question. Maybe then you assholes can pull your heads from your asses and answer it.

Maybe his father understood/was worried that Vidal WOULD have second thoughts. Maybe there is some precedent that we dont know about in this family in which his son had made many decisions in his lifetime that he would ultimately regret, and as a father he wanted to make sure this HUGE decision was well thought out and the risk of his son regretting it was somehow minimized. Is that a possibility? Im being sincere here, no sarcasm whatsoever. Maybe the dad understood how his son's thought process went and he wanted to make sure that process reached its conclusion before signing his portion of the LOI.

[elway777]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

OK. For the 500th time. Here is the question I'm asking. Forget anything else about the situation.

If Vidal Hazelton was having second thoughts about USC, why would his dad be the one to not sign the LOI? Why wouldn't he just not sign it himself?

That's the question. If you stop with your "Let's all hate on BN27" bullshit and think about it for 1 second, you'll realize it's a legit question. Maybe then you assholes can pull your heads from your asses and answer it.

Can't wait till a mod get's here, you add nothing to this site and have nearly brought every thread you post in down to your level.

Originally Posted by DoWnThEfiElD

Ok the answer for the 500th time... He was being a parent, and doing what he thought was right. You act like still to this day the guy has not signed the letter... He was generally concerned about Vidal, so he basically bought his son more time... Kinda get it?

Now let me ask you a question, Why did you make a judgement about a person, and a situation you knew nothing about?

Holy Lord in Heaven.

No, that's not an answer. That's an answer to the question "Why did Vidal's dad not sign the LOI". That's also a question I DID NOT ASK.

Here's the question I did ask...again: If Vidal Hazelton was having second thoughts about USC, why would his dad be the one to not sign the LOI? Why wouldn't he just not sign it himself?

I was told that Vidal's dad didn't sign it because Vidal was having second thoughts. That doesn't make sense to me, so I attempted to get an answer from the person who said it. I have yet to get that answer.

Please. Stop and think before you reply to this. Are you answering the question I'm asking?

Originally Posted by andyjo672

Maybe his father understood/was worried that Vidal WOULD have second thoughts. Maybe there is some precedent that we dont know about in this family in which his son had made many decisions in his lifetime that he would ultimately regret, and as a father he wanted to make sure this HUGE decision was well thought out and the risk of his son regretting it was somehow minimized. Is that a possibility? Im being sincere here, no sarcasm whatsoever. Maybe the dad understood how his son's thought process went and he wanted to make sure that process reached its conclusion before signing his portion of the LOI.

Maybe. Congrats on being the first in this thread to actually understand my question.

But it still makes no sense. If Vidal was having genuine second thoughts, he wouldn't have signed the LOI. It's not like he only had a day to decide what school he wanted to go to. Every other recruit that year figured it out with the help of their parents or without.

Originally Posted by elway777

Can't wait till a mod get's here, you add nothing to this site and have nearly brought every thread you post in down to your level.

That's what happens when I have a legit question and the idiot trolls like you do nothing but try to slam me because you don't have the mental capabilities to understand them.

[TIP]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

That's what happens when I have a legit question and the idiot trolls like you do nothing but try to slam me because you don't have the mental capabilities to understand them.

Pipe down crybaby, how did danman get banned and this guy didn't?

[DoWnThEfiElD]

VIDAL WAS BACKED INTO A CORNER ON NSD AND HAD TO SIGN, no matter how uncertain he was, if he wanted to play football next year. The recruiting season was coming to a close. His dad basically gave him more time by not signing. Now if the bold part doesn't answer your question then i have no clue how to man...

Why did you make a unwarrented judgement about a person and a situation you knew nothing about?

Also he ended up sign anyway, and he had not negative intentions behind not signing other than, try to help his son, so why is he an ass? I'm just curious cuz i don't see it i guess

Originally Posted by DoWnThEfiElD

VIDAL WAS BACKED INTO A CORNER ON NSD AND HAD TO SIGN, no matter how uncertain he was, if he wanted to play football next year. The recruiting season was coming to a close. His dad basically gave him more time by not signing. Now if the bold part doesn't answer your question then i have no clue how to man...

Why did you make a unwarrented judgement about a person and a situation you knew nothing about?

You don't have to sign your LOI on NLOID. That's just the first day you are allowed to. Try again.

[TIP]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

You don't have to sign your LOI on NLOID. That's just the first day you are allowed to. Try again.

OMG, seriously, what is your deal. DF, its not worth it, you'd have a more civilized conversation with a caveman

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

You don't have to sign your LOI on NLOID. That's just the first day you are allowed to. Try again.

I know that but, the media pressure is there for the kid, and pretty much everyone else does, so he may not have recognized other options, you just think this is a complete cut and dry situation and fail to recognize any other outside factors that are proving your opinion worthless i guess...now please answer my questions.

Originally Posted by TIP

OMG, seriously, what is your deal. DF, its not worth it, you'd have a more civilized conversation with a caveman

How is that not civilized?

Seriously, if you have to pretend I'm not the same guy who has made fun of you in the past for whatever it was just so you can have a conversation with me, go right ahead. It's getting old.

Originally Posted by DoWnThEfiElD

I know that but, the media pressure is there for the kid, and pretty much everyone else does, so he may not have recognized other options, you just think this is a complete cut and dry situation and fail to recognize any other outside factors that are proving your opinion worthless i guess...now please answer my questions.

So what it comes down to is the line that he was having second thoughts so his dad didn't sign was just a bunch of bull? That's bascially what you're saying?

[TIP]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

How is that not civilized?

Seriously, if you have to pretend I'm not the same guy who has made fun of you in the past for whatever it was just so you can have a conversation with me, go right ahead. It's getting old.

EVERY TIME A POSTER GIVES YOU A LOGICAL ANSWER, YOU DISCREDIT THEM AND SAY THEY ARE WRONG. You ever heard of a facism, I'm fairly certain you are a believer in it. Everyone's opinion is wrong but yours. You've been preaching it this entire thread

[DoWnThEfiElD]

listen to what you are saying... he didn't sign the letter for his son on NSD, he is an ass... Thats not intelligent...

Now seriously answer my questions i think they are legit

Originally Posted by TIP

EVERY TIME A POSTER GIVES YOU A LOGICAL ANSWER, YOU DISCREDIT THEM AND SAY THEY ARE WRONG. You ever heard of a facism, I'm fairly certain you are a believer in it. Everyone's opinion is wrong but yours. You've been preaching it this entire thread

TIP, you need to settle down. It's not that the answers are wrong because I say so. It's because they don't answer my question. Use your brain and realize that please. I'm getting tired of you.

[TIP]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNation27

TIP, you need to settle down. It's not that the answers are wrong because I say so. It's because they don't answer my question. Use your brain and realize that please. I'm getting tired of you.

:? My answers were pretty much the same as everyone elses. How is this guy not banned?

Originally Posted by DoWnThEfiElD

listen to what you are saying... he didn't sign the letter for his son on NSD, he is an ass... Thats not intelligent...

Now seriously answer my questions i think they are legit

I'll answer yours when mine is answered. Your BS about the media pressure doesn't cut it. All you have to do is admit that it didn't make sense for his dad not to sign just because Vidal was having second thoughts. I'm sure there are other reasons his dad didn't sign, but Vidal being unsure isn't one of them. That's all I've been trying to get at for about 4 pages now.