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Old 07-26-2008, 12:23 PM    (permalink
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You can't turn players into more of a role model than they're willing to be. If the NFL wants to have stricter rules for behavior to stay in the league, that's one thing. But to accept all talented athletes and then try and mold them into something no one could get offended watching is going to be an exercise in futility.

You don't hire Metallica then try to give them lessons on the Hurdy-Gurdy.
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I'm not saying they ought to be robots, or that they need to be part warrior athlete part desmond tutu.

I'm sure its not too outlandish to suggest promotion of criminal entities some of whom may have seriously impacted fans on the NFL isn't asking them to be robots or even good role models. Its asking them not to be bad ones.
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It's truly ridiculous to suggest that forcing players to not flash certain hand signs keeps them from being bad role models. Motivating them to act decently off the field is one thing, forcing them to not do little signs with their hands is another thing. And that thing is both pointless and silly.

Choosing the "role model" argument is ridiculous. If the NFL wanted good role models, they wouldn't give a paycheck to just anyone who was great at football. That's the point. The NFL takes all kinds. Drug addicts, thieves, narcissistic assholes; anyone who can make a tackle or score a touchdown. It is a open and free market. The NFL trying to paint a pretty picture over that is hypocritical.
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It's truly ridiculous to suggest that forcing players to not flash certain hand signs keeps them from being bad role models. Motivating them to act decently off the field is one thing, forcing them to not do little signs with their hands is another thing. And that thing is both pointless and silly.
What is truly ridiculous is trying to argue that flashing gang signs. Promoting criminal entities in any way shape or form is fine and shouldn't be policed.
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What is truly ridiculous is trying to argue that flashing gang signs. Promoting criminal entities in any way shape or form is fine and shouldn't be policed.
You're one of those people who thinks kids shouldn't be allowed to wear certain colours or outfits in school that are associated with gangs, aren't you? You know, no baggy jeans because that's a signal of gang activity. No red ballcaps because that's a common item worn by gang members.

It's all garbage.
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You're one of those people who thinks kids shouldn't be allowed to wear certain colours or outfits in school that are associated with gangs, aren't you? You know, no baggy jeans because that's a signal of gang activity. No red ballcaps because that's a common item worn by gang members.

It's all garbage.
My high school had a ban on NFL jerseys because they didn't want kids showing up wearing Raider jerseys cause that "promoted gang activity." So ******* stupid...
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What is truly ridiculous is trying to argue that flashing gang signs. Promoting criminal entities in any way shape or form is fine and shouldn't be policed.
Flashing gang signs is not promoting criminal activities. Wearing a sign around your head saying "I love to rape and kill with these guys but not those guys" is promoting criminal entities. Restricting what players can do with their hands in between plays is an egregious breach of basic freedom, and is even more insane when it is done with the intent to not offend people.

And furthermore, people should be able to promote whatever they goddamn please. That's the first basic truth of this country. Until players start doing criminal activities on the field, the NFL has no place to say which hand motions are jolly and which ones are causing the death of American decency. No one should have that power.

We live in a country where the KKK is allowed a parade on public property. And we live in a country where the non-violent reaction to that is also allowed. The NFL isn't some bubble where it's fine that they do whatever they want. They are as responsible for breaching freedom of expression as any other governing body in the country.
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Flashing gang signs is not promoting criminal activities. Wearing a sign around your head saying "I love to rape and kill with these guys but not those guys" is promoting criminal entities. Restricting what players can do with their hands in between plays is an egregious breach of basic freedom, and is even more insane when it is done with the intent to not offend people.

And furthermore, people should be able to promote whatever they goddamn please. That's the first basic truth of this country. Until players start doing criminal activities on the field, the NFL has no place to say which hand motions are jolly and which ones are causing the death of American decency. No one should have that power.

We live in a country where the KKK is allowed a parade on public property. And we live in a country where the non-violent reaction to that is also allowed. The NFL isn't some bubble where it's fine that they do whatever they want. They are as responsible for breaching freedom of expression as any other governing body in the country.
Do whatever you like in your home, but don't do it where it can be broadcast into homes internationally. The controlling body says not to do something because its bad for their brand name, don't do it.

Its that simple.

Its not good business to allow your employees to promote gangs.
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Do whatever you like in your home, but don't do it where it can be broadcast into homes internationally. The controlling body says not to do something because its bad for their brand name, don't do it.

Its that simple.

Its not good business to allow your employees to promote gangs.
No.

It's not "good business" to hire questionable employees just because they are big and fast. The NFL has never engaged in "good business". If they wanted to engage in "good business", that would entail being stricter about who their various departments hire, not what hand motions those hires make once you're already paying them.


The NFL isn't simply a brand name and NFL players aren't simply the governing body's employees. That is self-evident to the situation. Flashing hand signs is not paramount to recruiting for gangs. Restricting hand motions is paramount to squelching freedom of speech. There is no question which one is more important.
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