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Old 01-22-2007, 07:34 AM    (permalink
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GREAT GAME TODAY!!! Definately a CLASSIC!!! Whos the best QB in the NFL now???
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GREAT GAME TODAY!!! Definately a CLASSIC!!! Whos the best QB in the NFL now???
Probably still Tom Brady.
Tom Brady threw an int. on their comeback drive, under the pressure that it was said that he thrives in. Peyton outplayed Brady, proved that he can win big games, and he already outstrips Brady in the regular season and it isn't even close. Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady.
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GREAT GAME TODAY!!! Definately a CLASSIC!!! Whos the best QB in the NFL now???
Probably still Tom Brady.
Tom Brady threw an int. on their comeback drive, under the pressure that it was said that he thrives in. Peyton outplayed Brady, proved that he can win big games, and he already outstrips Brady in the regular season and it isn't even close. Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady.
Yeah, its not like brady has done it in the playoffs consistently. Not like he led 2 game winning drives in the Super Bowl. Manning won a AFC championship. BEST QB EVER.

Marino set a lot of records in his day. If he won that 1 SB, and montana kept his 3, would you say marino was better because of all his records?

Im not saying manning is a bad QB, hes easily 2nd best. I cant put brady behind him. Being a good QB isnt about throwing 50 tds. To be the best in their current generation, he has to be consistently good in the playoffs. 1 year down..

And congrats to manning. He deserves it. If he wins a SB, easily top 5 of all time.
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Best stats and makes the players around him better. The Colts' playoff losses were always due to the whole team, people just put it all on Manning because he's the QB.
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Manning was better before yesterday and now has increased the margin.
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Best stats and makes the players around him better. The Colts' playoff losses were always due to the whole team, people just put it all on Manning because he's the QB.
If stats made great QB's, marino would have been the best, by a far margin.

Manning has played poor in the playoffs. Its not all on him. But he has played noticeable poor in the playoffs, especially considered to brady, at least before this year.

Im not saying manning is the worst, i cant put him ahead of brady. Brady makes the players around him better as well. Were reche caldwell or jabar gaffney any ever good before they came to the patriots? How about not having a great RB before dillon came? Brady doesnt have as good a supporting cast as manning, unless you think caldwell and gaffney are better than harrison and wayne.
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Best stats and makes the players around him better. The Colts' playoff losses were always due to the whole team, people just put it all on Manning because he's the QB.
So I guess that means he can't get ALL the praise when they win either right?
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Manning was better before yesterday and now has increased the margin.
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Best stats and makes the players around him better. The Colts' playoff losses were always due to the whole team, people just put it all on Manning because he's the QB.
So I guess that means he can't get ALL the praise when they win either right?
I'm not giving him all the praise.
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GREAT GAME TODAY!!! Definately a CLASSIC!!! Whos the best QB in the NFL now???
Probably still Tom Brady.
Tom Brady threw an int. on their comeback drive, under the pressure that it was said that he thrives in. Peyton outplayed Brady, proved that he can win big games, and he already outstrips Brady in the regular season and it isn't even close. Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady.
Yeah, its not like brady has done it in the playoffs consistently. Not like he led 1 game winning drives in the Super Bowl. Manning won a AFC championship. BEST QB EVER.

Marino set a lot of records in his day. If he won that 1 SB, and montana kept his 3, would you say marino was better because of all his records?

Im not saying manning is a bad QB, hes easily 2nd best. I cant put brady behind him. Being a good QB isnt about throwing 50 tds. To be the best in their current generation, he has to be consistently good in the playoffs. 1 year down..

And congrats to manning. He deserves it. If he wins a SB, easily top 5 of all time.
Ok I fixed that for you, the "comeback drive" against the Panthers was an astounding 20 yard march down the field in which Brady completed one pass. That is not a comeback drive.

Ok if you really want to talk supporting casts, how about having a horrible defense? That makes being the qb a whole lot harder when you have to carry the team. I assume you watched the game? There were defenders in Mannings face every pass, he was knocked down on most of his throws and NE was getting great pressure. Yet he still managed to lead his team to victory. The pressure on Tom Brady was not near that which was on Manning and the Patriots lost. Peyton has proved he can win in the playoffs which was the only knock on him so now it is definitive that he is the best qb in the NFL.
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GREAT GAME TODAY!!! Definately a CLASSIC!!! Whos the best QB in the NFL now???
Probably still Tom Brady.
Tom Brady threw an int. on their comeback drive, under the pressure that it was said that he thrives in. Peyton outplayed Brady, proved that he can win big games, and he already outstrips Brady in the regular season and it isn't even close. Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady.
Yeah, its not like brady has done it in the playoffs consistently. Not like he led 1 game winning drives in the Super Bowl. Manning won a AFC championship. BEST QB EVER.

Marino set a lot of records in his day. If he won that 1 SB, and montana kept his 3, would you say marino was better because of all his records?

Im not saying manning is a bad QB, hes easily 2nd best. I cant put brady behind him. Being a good QB isnt about throwing 50 tds. To be the best in their current generation, he has to be consistently good in the playoffs. 1 year down..

And congrats to manning. He deserves it. If he wins a SB, easily top 5 of all time.
Ok I fixed that for you, the "comeback drive" against the Panthers was an astounding 20 yard march down the field in which Brady completed one pass. That is not a comeback drive.

Ok if you really want to talk supporting casts, how about having a horrible defense? That makes being the qb a whole lot harder when you have to carry the team. I assume you watched the game? There were defenders in Mannings face every pass, he was knocked down on most of his throws and NE was getting great pressure. Yet he still managed to lead his team to victory. The pressure on Tom Brady was not near that which was on Manning and the Patriots lost. Peyton has proved he can win in the playoffs which was the only knock on him so now it is definitive that he is the best qb in the NFL.
Comeback drive? He won the game on it. Whether you undervalue it or overvalue it, it is what it is.

Your bringing up this 1 game. Ill readily admit, yesterday, manning played better. But brady has been better, longer. You talk about defense, but can you deny how manning has played poorly in the playoffs, ESPECIALLY considered to his regular season? He is madly inconsistent. He will tear apart denver, but play terrible against new england or pittsburgh. Yeah, his defense aint so hot, but he has played badly as well. He simply isnt the same in the playoffs, its apparent when i watch him.

If brady had such a good defense, he wouldnt need to drive downt he field TWICE to win games, would he? Wouldnt his good defense mean he wins games comfortably? Instead they have won EVERY sb by 3. Good defense, but not stout like you seem to make it out to be.

He is NOT the best QB in the NFL. Records dont make him the best. He doesnt elevate his play in the post-season for the most part. One good game doesnt change it. If he wins a SB, it doesnt change it. He is number 2.
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If brady had such a good defense, he wouldnt need to drive downt he field TWICE to win games, would he? Wouldnt his good defense mean he wins games comfortably? Instead they have won EVERY sb by 3. Good defense, but not stout like you seem to make it out to be.
that's a completely ridiculous, irrelevant comment. maybe his defense HAD to be that good to keep the pats in the game. maybe you're not giving the other team enough credit. maybe every team the colts played had a worthless offense but the colts defense was far worse. maybe brady just sould've played ball control a bit better instead of giving the ball back to the other team so often, or conversely, should've scored enough to win comfortably instead of giving the other team chances.
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If brady had such a good defense, he wouldnt need to drive downt he field TWICE to win games, would he? Wouldnt his good defense mean he wins games comfortably? Instead they have won EVERY sb by 3. Good defense, but not stout like you seem to make it out to be.
that's a completely ridiculous, irrelevant comment. maybe his defense HAD to be that good to keep the pats in the game. maybe you're not giving the other team enough credit. maybe every team the colts played had a worthless offense but the colts defense was far worse. maybe brady just sould've played ball control a bit better instead of giving the ball back to the other team so often, or conversely, should've scored enough to win comfortably instead of giving the other team chances.
I made a comment like that because when you see people talk about brady's D, they seem to hype it up like Brady has to do nothing but let the D dominate. Brady has still had to win 2 games in the last minute, so its not like hes trent dilfer. Thats what i meant to address.

As for brady's play, he hasnt played PERFECT, but he has played damn well. He rarely makes mistakes. Thats why i take brady over peyton.
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As for brady's play, he hasnt played PERFECT, but he has played damn well. He rarely makes mistakes. Thats why i take brady over peyton.
much better argument and one i can buy.

for the record, i don't really have a strong preference, but i find that more people who don't know what they're talking about tend to like brady (visibility maybe?) and seem to make the worst arguments for him.
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