2009 Falcons Draft Discussion - Page 4

scar988 · 08-25-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosanac01

the NCAA football season is just around the corner, i think we as falcons fans should look tightly at WR, TE, OL, DL (esp DT) this season.

why? our WR's seem to actually be doing their job so far in the preseason.,

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-25-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scar988

really? you think we need to take a #2 WR with our first pick? that makes no sense financially or even addressing our needs. if we need to get Matt a weapon it's at TE, not WR. our WR's are good for us and Jenkins might even light it up and be the possession #2 we need. with Laurent and Douglas as slot and #4, we would have a very formidable WR group

Why not? It's not like having 2 great wide outs has been unkind to the likes of Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, etc. Especially since Crabtree is the ideal WR for Ryan. And I don't think we are looking for playmaking TE. We passed on one in the draft, until Zinger who is a pure blocking TE. Hartsock is the same way. Travis Beckham is probably the best TE coming out, and he's nothing special as a blocker. If he's purely a receiving threat, it really doesn't matter if we go for a Crabtree or him.

BamaFalcon59 · 08-25-2008, 09:30 PM

Jenkins is gone after this year. We will take a WR in the first few (three or so) rounds.

scar988 · 08-25-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

Jenkins is gone after this year. We will take a WR in the first few (three or so) rounds.

why wouldn't we just re-sing Jenkins who will likely be cheap.

BamaFalcon59 · 08-25-2008, 09:52 PM

Because he drops balls for interceptions and will be overpayed after back to back 50 catch seasons.

Just my opinion.

Bosanac01 · 08-25-2008, 11:53 PM

what would be our biggest needs though 1. DT, 2. TE, 3. WR?

d34ng3l021 · 08-26-2008, 12:17 AM

1. DT
2. DB
3. OL
4. TE
5. DE

Thats how I see it right now. DT is way above the others though.

BamaFalcon59 · 08-26-2008, 07:05 AM

Good list, although I may seperate DB into CB and S, we need both, and may sneak in WR.

We still have a lot of needs.

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-26-2008, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by d34ng3l021

1. DT
2. DB
3. OL
4. TE
5. DE

Thats how I see it right now. DT is way above the others though.

DE is not a need. Abe is good for a few more years. Cupcake boy's contract makes him basically unmovable, and I doubt we'd send him to the bench. Maybe some depth, but certainly not a starter.

BamaFalcon59 · 08-26-2008, 07:25 AM

We need another pass rusher, starter or situational.

I wouldn't mind a Warren Sapp at defensive tackle, either.

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-26-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

We need another pass rusher, starter or situational.

I wouldn't mind a Warren Sapp at defensive tackle, either.

I agree completely. It really depends on Mike Smith. If he feels confident in moving Zero Penetration to DT full time, I'd be all over another pass rushing end. Or getting a DT like that. However, I don't think he will comitt to moving Jamaal. So, I think it would rule it out for our top pick. As for DT, the top gun looks like Fili Moala, and I'm not in love with him.

iloxygenil · 08-26-2008, 11:58 AM

I don't know about Moala, the thing everyone discounts in this is that Babs has never gotten to start full time, he led the NFL DTs in TFL...too many people over look that. Just like Rod Coleman used to know how to get into the backfield and terrorize QBs, we have ourselves a clone...except one that isn't crazy off the field. We also have Trey Lewis, I know he may never be the same...but then again he may be as well. So, I think we need to wait it out before we decide what our big needs are.

Personally I think Safety is going to be a position we either really need or really don't. If Coleman plays how he used to play, and if Decoud or Stone are erady to step up, there's no telling. I love the idea of Taylor Mays, Kam Chancellor, or Myron Rolle roving our secondary.

The way Chevis has played so far in the preseason makes me think we're going to have fine depth there. Grimes and Houston are boom or bust duo as well. But I'm sure that Grimes is going to be fine at this point. Chevis looks to be just fine. So, the CB 'need' is going to be based on Houston imo. If he steps up into the gap as well. Then the CB we will have need for, is the veteran type.

DT we'll need depth at for sure, but I'm thinking it will need to be more of a NT than pass rushing UT style DT.

DE will depend on Beirman and Anderson.

LB is going to need depth, because Brooking isn't going to last forever.

I like Nicholas, but we need to build our depth.

Basically you can see the theme here, we need to wait and see, and not just think we already know what our biggest problems are going to be.

BamaFalcon59 · 08-26-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

I agree completely. It really depends on Mike Smith. If he feels confident in moving Zero Penetration to DT full time, I'd be all over another pass rushing end. Or getting a DT like that. However, I don't think he will comitt to moving Jamaal. So, I think it would rule it out for our top pick. As for DT, the top gun looks like Fili Moala, and I'm not in love with him.

Moala is very overrated at this point.

d34ng3l021 · 08-26-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iloxygenil

I don't know about Moala, the thing everyone discounts in this is that Babs has never gotten to start full time, he led the NFL DTs in TFL...too many people over look that. Just like Rod Coleman used to know how to get into the backfield and terrorize QBs, we have ourselves a clone...except one that isn't crazy off the field. We also have Trey Lewis, I know he may never be the same...but then again he may be as well. So, I think we need to wait it out before we decide what our big needs are.

Personally I think Safety is going to be a position we either really need or really don't. If Coleman plays how he used to play, and if Decoud or Stone are erady to step up, there's no telling. I love the idea of Taylor Mays, Kam Chancellor, or Myron Rolle roving our secondary.

The way Chevis has played so far in the preseason makes me think we're going to have fine depth there. Grimes and Houston are boom or bust duo as well. But I'm sure that Grimes is going to be fine at this point. Chevis looks to be just fine. So, the CB 'need' is going to be based on Houston imo. If he steps up into the gap as well. Then the CB we will have need for, is the veteran type.

DT we'll need depth at for sure, but I'm thinking it will need to be more of a NT than pass rushing UT style DT.

DE will depend on Beirman and Anderson.

LB is going to need depth, because Brooking isn't going to last forever.

I like Nicholas, but we need to build our depth.

Basically you can see the theme here, we need to wait and see, and not just think we already know what our biggest problems are going to be.

Basically, we dont have any needs, according to iloxy.

There are some glaring holes one defense for us, and I really want them filled. I forgot which year we had that terrible run defense, but god. That was disgusting. I wasnt even watching the games in real life. I used to watch gamecenter, and all it read was "Corey Dillon up the middle for 5 yards" every single time.

I want a dominant run defense. If we cannot stop the run, then theres no point. Teams will run all over us.

Babs is a good UT, and I think he will surprise some people. He played exceptionally well in limited situations last year and hopefully that can transfer over full time.

As for our top pick, no nose tackle has cemented themselves in yet, but we should definitely watch the college season for which guys will separate themselves from the pack with their gameplay. I bet it must have killed Mike Smith a tiny bit inside to see us pass on Glenn Dorsey. He will make that up, I guarantee it.

Bosanac01 · 08-26-2008, 11:01 PM

Honestly it's not too early to dicuss what we will need in next years draft, we knew last year at this time we would be getting a QB, OT and MLB early.

scar988 · 08-28-2008, 06:28 PM

idk. I think Anderson could be a great UT if we got him to gain strength.

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-28-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scar988

idk. I think Anderson could be a great UT if we got him to gain strength.

Unless he learns how to get past OL, he's not good... anywhere. I don't see him getting enough penetration to possibly be an effective UT.

Bosanac01 · 08-28-2008, 09:11 PM

Put him where ever you like, idc we got Kroy Biermann. That guy is a beast for real. He is very explosive and never gives up on a play. Doesnt take plays off.

D-Rod · 08-30-2008, 01:02 PM

It's difficult to rate our needs at the present time - far harder than it was last year.

We definitely need to pick up a starting calibre DT, that is certain. Ideally we'd address that on the first day. However, depending on how Babs performs this year, and on how Trey Lewis rebounds from injury, one newcomer at DT may suffice.

I really don't see Anderson moving to UT full-time. I don't have a problem with him playing at LDE on run downs and moving to UT on passing downs.

I think that we can be reasonably comfortable with our position at safety. Coleman is a keeper, I'm sure of that, and I'm optimistic that either Stone or DeCoud will emerge as a decent-to-good starter opposite him. However, if we do get a chance at a stud safety - and I'm thinking Mays or Moore in the 1st, or Greene in the 2nd - then we might be tempted to pick them up, and keep Stone and DeCoud as quality backup.

On the O-line, we clearly need a C of the future. I'd love to see us pick up Mack if he lasts to the 2nd, but Unger and Luigs would also be good pickups.

Elsewhere on the O-line, I think that we will be looking to pick up an absolute road-grader at RT, probably in the 2nd or 3rd round, to really round off our run game.

I'm reasonably happy with our DE rotation at the moment, but we'll have to keep our eye out for Abraham's long-term replacement, depending on whether Biermann can replicate his PS form in the regular season.

I don't see any 1st day need at WR. We have our future top 3 set - White, Robinson and Douglas - and it may be that Jenkins also plays his way into a new contract. I'd expect us to look for a WR/PR in the 3rd or 4th, but that's it. Only if Crabtree is the far and away best value pick should we consider him.

Assuming that Grimes and Houston continue to play well, I don't see us drafting a CB in the first 4 rounds, if at all. We have a very young CB corps, and if we decide that it needs reinforcement, we are likely, IMO, to look to free agency.

As for TE, it's difficult to tell what Mularkey wants...

D-Rod · 08-30-2008, 01:15 PM

My ideal draft would be to pick around #12, and take:

#1: William Moore S

The more cerebral player than Mays, and therefore better suited to Smith's Cover 2. I think that he'll have a great season, and really push himself up into these heights.

I'd love to take a DT in the 1st, but I'm just not sure I like any of them enough just yet.

(On a side note, how amazing would Landry be in this scheme? Damn Skins...)

#2: Vince Oghobasse DT

I actually think that he will push himself up into the first round, but I think he's a great fit (and I've noticed that I am not alone). Another very bright player.

#3. Sean Sester RT

Tough, consistent, 4 year starter. Plays LT for Purdue, but not particularly athletic. Couldn't be a better fit.

BamaFalcon59 · 08-30-2008, 01:29 PM

I'm not so confident in Laurent Robinson, considering he is now behind a player who hasn't played since 2005 due to back to back ACL tears, Brian Finneran.

d34ng3l021 · 08-30-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

I'm not so confident in Laurent Robinson, considering he is now behind a player who hasn't played since 2005 due to back to back ACL tears, Brian Finneran.

Brian Finneran is amazing.

iloxygenil · 08-30-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

I'm not so confident in Laurent Robinson, considering he is now behind a player who hasn't played since 2005 due to back to back ACL tears, Brian Finneran.

1 word injuries...

Bosanac01 · 08-30-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59

I'm not so confident in Laurent Robinson, considering he is now behind a player who hasn't played since 2005 due to back to back ACL tears, Brian Finneran.

Im not confident in Laurent Robinson as well, he can run his routes and is very athletic but his hands looked pretty bad lately and i dont see any confidence in him. If a no. 2 WR doesnt step up for Matt Ryan i would love to see up draft Brian Robiskie, the son of our WR coach. He is ranked no. 2 by Scott Wright at that position for a senior.
When i played football, ironically the dad of our star WR was also his WR coach. His dad played at UGA and i know how hard he pushed him and is now getting great college offers, it would be nice to have Robiskie's son on the team.

Draft King · 08-30-2008, 06:25 PM

Now that Stone was cut, I'm confident we need a big-play safety that can step in. I like Taylor Mays alot, he would be my number 1 guy. Hits like a linebacker, but runs like a corner. I also like Chancellor from VT, I saw him make some nice plays today, despite the VTech loss. I think Rolle is overrated by the Media, but underrated by this board, I still see him as a 2nd round pick, possibly sneaking into the 1st.