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Old 10-03-2008, 02:09 PM    (permalink
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I would get the LT to block on down on CB, and then have the WR get the safety. I thought I saw the Bengals do that as well. I like when the Oline gets involved. Let the LT kick step, punch the breast plate of the DE, and go get the CB.
That could work. Only problems would be the DE could, after this tactic has been learned, lock up with the LT, thus preventing him from getting to the CB. Also, let's just be frank here, with the exceptions of very few LTs, I'm gonna take the CB to win in open space like that.
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That could work. Only problems would be the DE could, after this tactic has been learned, lock up with the LT, thus preventing him from getting to the CB. Also, let's just be frank here, with the exceptions of very few LTs, I'm gonna take the CB to win in open space like that.
He won't lock, the DE's goal is to contain or crash. So either way he will get off the ball, so you have the LT kick step to draw him in. THe DE's keys then would be satisfied and so the DE will be drawn in. When that happens the LT aggressively punches the DE, and heads to CB.

Actually not true, the LT catches the CB, the most inside dangerous man and gets him. The alignment of the WR in the formation is paramount. That's why teams, pro and college,and even my college team I coached, ran it out nof Trips, bunch and cluster formation.
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Football Outsiders is great everyone should read there book Pro Football Prospectus
Yup, I picked up their 2006 book, and bought the last 2 issues because of it. It takes a while to get their vocabulary down and the way the determine stats, but when you do it definitly brings a whole new look at pro football. It's like this, remember when WHIP became the next big thing for the MLB pitching? Or when On Base % became just as good of indicator as slugging if not better? Thats what FO Prospectus does, it uses those types of stats to bring a new way to look at the NFL. Definitly a different way to look at things.
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Looking more at that play designed to stop the slip screen, that's the same play that gets Reggie lit up (see Sheldon Brown and Ronde Barber). We use those screens like that to pull the guy in, and most of the time, Brees makes that read, and he throws downfield against the safety single covering someone deep, but every now and then, the rush gets too him to quick, and he floats one to Reggie, who gets smoked by gunning DB looking for blood.
That play is usually ran two ways by use. As a screen or a swing pass - and almost each time, Brees calls a "kill" at the LOS by reading the defense. It's the same read that won us the TB game in Week One and what Bush scored his second TD in the Broncos game.
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Sounds good to me but it's too good to be true. Too many egos, jobs, and expectations being thrown into the mix for this to happen.
Probably but if the Titans go to the playoffs this year and can win a game with Collins under center I'm pretty sure they'll really want to bring in someone who can be a good starter for them next season.

Vince just needs to have all expectations removed from him and they need to just work with him on improving his reads and accuracy before they even consider putting him out there again.

So they're going to have someone other than vince starting next season, Anderson's contract has 2 years left, he'd start next season and the season after that you have the two battle it out in TC and if one of them sells you on being a franchise guy you trade the other one.
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I think it was evident that a spread/run 'n' shoot offense would not work when Steve Spurrier tried it with Washington during the late '90s.

So if the spread is about to wane, what is the next gimmick offense that begins to rise?
Yeah it was really garbage when the Packers and Patriots ran it last year wasn't it?

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It's obvious that the status quo people feel threatened by the spread. THey keep trying to proclaim it's demise.

First it was "dead" when Missouri lost to Oklahoma last year according to CBS Sportsline.

Nevermind the fact that the spread offense abused Oklahoma in the form of West Virginia and Texas Tech in two spread offenses. And Missouri actually scored the 3rd highest number of points behind those two schools vs Oklahoma.


Now it's dead because Tim Tebow got stopped on 4th and 1?


Everyone loves pointing out Alex Smith and Vince Young. What about all the pro style QBs who fail like Matt Leinart?


And how are those two guys proof that the system is inherently flawed? How about the guys who have made the transition like Brees, Roethlisberger, McNabb, Vick, and even Kyle Orton?


There is such an agenda when it comes to people hating on this offense.


Ive seen all the major networks try to tear it down. Sports Illustrated has made them, CBS, and even ESPN.
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