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Old 10-10-2008, 06:37 AM    (permalink
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What did the tape have to say about Spiller's performance against Wake?
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Old 10-10-2008, 07:18 AM    (permalink
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Here are my 1st round values

QB
Mark Sanchez
Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford


RB
Chris Wells
Knowshon Moreno

James Davis

WR
Darrius Heyward Bey
Jeremy Maclin
Michael Crabtree

Brandon Tate

Add: Percy Harvin

TE
Jermaine Gresham
Brandon Pettigrew

OT
Andre Smith
Eugene Monroe
Michael Oher

Phil Loadholt
Jason Smith
Ciron Black

OG
Duke Robinson

OC
Alex Mack

DE
Greg Hardy
Brian Orapko
George Selvie
Michael Johnson
Tyson Jackson

Everette Brown

DT
Vince Oghobasse
Peria Jerry
SenDerrick Marks
Terrence Taylor

LB
Rey Mauluaga
Aaron Curry
James Laurinaitis

Brandon Spikes
Sean Weatherspoon
Marcus Freeman

add: Brian Cushing

CB
Malcolm Jenkins
Alphonso Smith

Darius Butler
DJ Smith
Vontae Davis
Mike Mickens


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Taylor Mays
William Moore

Nic Harris

Seems to be a lot more defensive players with 1st round value in my opinion
The league is seriously gonna need to expand to make your list work. I'll make bold my list of 32 that I agree with.
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You can have first round value and not be drafted in the 1st round.
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Old 10-10-2008, 09:26 AM    (permalink
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You can have first round value and not be drafted in the 1st round.
sure but giving 49 people kinda gives less meaning to first round value, or there is remarkable equality
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Old 10-10-2008, 10:26 AM    (permalink
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Here are my 1st round values

QB
Mark Sanchez
Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford

RB
Chris Wells
Knowshon Moreno
James Davis - I like Javon Ringer a hair more. I think Davis is going to disappoint at the combine.

WR
Darrius Heyward Bey
Jeremy Maclin
Michael Crabtree
Brandon Tate

TE
Jermaine Gresham
Brandon Pettigrew

OT
Andre Smith
Eugene Monroe
Michael Oher
Phil Loadholt - I really expect Loadholt to fall, unless he starts playing lights out or lights up the combine, His play has been really mediocre. I could see him falling to rounds 3-4 right now.
Jason Smith
Ciron Black

I think Jamon Meredith of SC deserves 1st round consideration as an OT.

OG
Duke Robinson ~ Robinson gets the same response as Loadholt. Big guy, has potential to be a machine... doesn't play like it. I've heard someone say "Lazy and overweight? 3rd round" and I believe it.

OC
Alex Mack - His Combine #'s could lock him up here.
I think Antoine Caldwell deserves a chance. Really showcasing impressive abilities this year.

DE
Greg Hardy
Brian Orapko
George Selvie
Michael Johnson
Tyson Jackson - I still think he's going to fall in the draft. 1 great Soph Season followed by 2 mediocre seasons.. Considering the talent around him, he should be putting up better #'s.
Everette Brown

DT
Vince Oghobasse
Peria Jerry
SenDerrick Marks
Terrence Taylor

LB
Rey Mauluaga
Aaron Curry
James Laurinaitis
Brandon Spikes
Sean Weatherspoon
Marcus Freeman

CB
Malcolm Jenkins
Alphonso Smith
Darius Butler
DJ Smith
Vontae Davis
Mike Mickens

S
Taylor Mays
William Moore
Nic Harris

Seems to be a lot more defensive players with 1st round value in my opinion
Guys I kinda see missing...

Brian Cushing, LB, USC
Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State
Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State
Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia
Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma

I don't think these guys are definite first rounders, but I think they have the resume and skillset to sneak in there.
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Old 10-10-2008, 10:28 AM    (permalink
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Wells
Moreno
McCoy
WR
Heyward-Bey
Maclin
Crabtree
TE
Gresham

OT
Oher
Monroe
Smith
Loadholt
OC
Mack
DE
Hardy
Selvie
Johnson
Orapko
DT
Perry
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Cushing
ILB
Mauluga
Laurinatis
CB
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Jenkins
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i say he had one outside run for 8 yds. one watse run between the tackles. and one 48 yd ko return. then he got hurt. pther than the injury concern i didnt see anything that really lowered him.hes a space player. have to get him the ball in space. but once you do he makes plays and can take it to the house at any time. only the injury would diminish him at this point.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:54 AM    (permalink
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i say he had one outside run for 8 yds. one watse run between the tackles. and one 48 yd ko return. then he got hurt. pther than the injury concern i didnt see anything that really lowered him.hes a space player. have to get him the ball in space. but once you do he makes plays and can take it to the house at any time. only the injury would diminish him at this point.
How bout the fact that he did nothing with the ball in his hands. They gave him the ball and he did nothing. Great players make plays with the ball in their hands ( Wells, Moreno ( when he has more than 8 carries) Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin)
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he only got the ball 3 times. one 48 yd ko. one run between the tackles. and one 8 yd run. he was doing alright. if hes not seriously imjured he remains in the mix. too much big play ability
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Old 10-12-2008, 12:11 AM    (permalink
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I guess you really don't follow OL all that much, my guess is you just put down all the top guys from other people and left out Alex Mack just so you could look original. But all I will say is not having one of the best Center prospects in years in the first round amkes absolutely no sense to me.
Yeah...I remember when Greg Eslinger was considered one of the best Center prospects in the country at one point too...or how about Kyle Young...remember Justin Blalock...how about Max Jean-Gilles?

Antoine Caldwell is the best interior lineman in the country this year. Don't let the "experts" in the media who've never played football in their lives, but think they know it all because they have a journalism degree tell you otherwise. Alex Mack is just another in a long line of media creations.
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Also, you guys do realize that actuall professional scouts who do this for a living instead of on internet forums like yourselve's average anywhere from only 12-18 first rounder ever year. Some drafts are much better than others and some worse, but there are hardly if ever 32 players talented enough to have the "value" of a first selection...not every player picked in round 1 is of great value. It would just be fullish for teams to forfeit picks because value didn't line up.
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thus they are first rd values. not the first 25 picks. and`some dude got paid to recommend`glenn dorsey`cwith 5th pick. so i really dont care what scouts say. obviously, someone cant do their job effectively. just because thats their job, doesnt mean i should care. otherwise i would have been saying glenn dorsey was great. boy would i have felt badly about that. unless he has a serious injury spillers on the board
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thus they are first rd values. not the first 25 picks. and`some dude got paid to recommend`glenn dorsey`cwith 5th pick. so i really dont care what scouts say. obviously, someone cant do their job effectively. just because thats their job, doesnt mean i should care. otherwise i would have been saying glenn dorsey was great. boy would i have felt badly about that. unless he has a serious injury spillers on the board
Man must be lonely way up there on your pedestal....

The fact that you think Spiller is god because he runs a 4.3 is maddening. He's no better than Jamaal Charles or Jerious norwood. You realize he has absolutely zero vision right? He's a 2nd rounder at best and thats purely off speed.
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QB
Matt Stafford*
Sam Bradford*
Mark Sanchez*

RB
Chris Wells*
Knowshon Moreno*

WR
Michael Crabtree*
Jeremy Maclin*
Brandon Tate
Darrius Heyward-Bey*

TE
Jermaine Gresham*
Brandon Pettigrew

OT
Eugene Monroe
Andre Smith
Michael Oher
Ciron Black*
Jason Smith

OG
Duke Robinson
Tyronne Greene

DE
Greg Hardy*
Brian Orakpo
George Selvie*

DT
Sen'Derrick Marks*
Evander Hood

OLB
Aaron Curry
Brian Cushing

MLB
Brandon Spikes*
Rey Maualuga
James Laurinaitis

CB
Vontae Davis*
Malcolm Jenkins
Alphonso Smith

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i love my pedestal. thats why im the mythbusta. kind of like im the only person alive that said dorsey would bust. i feel good about my top values picks. im adding another today. it may come as a shock, but i see circumstance intervening now introducing #26

matt stafford qb georgia

definitely not based on his play, which has been spotty and inconsistent at best. could use another yr back. but putting on the tape dude can sling the rock, better than anyone outside josh freeman. is going to need time and a solid team around him.throw him to the wolves with a bad team early and it could be a david carr like ending. would be a great value late rd 1 for a solid football team that needs qb of future, not qb of now. a high pick would be a major mistake. as a qb may be overdrafted even as high as top 10, i see him as a good value for the future under the right circumstance late rd 1. bottom line is, he throws the football at the nfl level and not too many that can. beware of overdrafting though. not an all time great qb prospect. more of a solid potential starter than star
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i love my pedestal. thats why im the mythbusta. kind of like im the only person alive that said dorsey would bust.
Which would be great and all, but he's not a bust now. Even if he did suck right now, it's WAY too early to call anyone a bust from the '08 class.
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i think its pretty clear whats hapening out there. the same thing that happened vs ark and ohio st. i called him a bust a long time ago. his 5 games has done nothing to sway me. its only a matter of time for him to go on the dl. i give it 3 more games. then his failure will be complete.
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Which would be great and all, but he's not a bust now. Even if he did suck right now, it's WAY too early to call anyone a bust from the '08 class.
Especially when they um... aren't sucking, haha, this mythbusta character is priceless.
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really. theyre 32nd in the league vs the run and 1-4.
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Last I checked there are 11 people on a defnese responsible for that, lets not get into this again.
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i know. its always someone elses fault when these types dont pan out and you waste 20 mil on them. its herm edwards or ol or damon huard or brandon flowers fault. theyve inserted him and theyve gotten worse. stopping the run begins and ends with your interior dl. theres is the worst in football. i think its justifiable to state hes the worst starting interior dl in the entire league, based on the #s
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