Soccer Thread - Page 3

etk · 02-08-2007, 04:03 PM

Why doesn't a rich American buy a club from League Champ for cheap, buy amazing players and move up to the Premiership and eventually become a power. It's a bit of a risk but it could be very profitable, especially if the club plays in a big city.

etk · 02-08-2007, 04:23 PM

Atletico Madrid supremo Garcia Pitarch has admitted that Fernando Torres could leave Spain for England in the summer.

Man U could sell Ronaldo and sign Lennon and Torres....BINGO. Or maybe Torres could replace Henry. Or Abrahamovich pulls another stack out of his sleeve and adds another striker.

TH3 · 02-08-2007, 05:07 PM

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So TH3 how does it feel now that Man U's best player Cristiano Ronaldo is headed to Spain pretty soon?

while I am sad he will be leaving.... I am happy.... his skip is top notch but if he dosnt want to play for Man U he needs to go.... Owen Hargraves will be here come the summer and that will weaken the loss and I expect us to make a move for Darren Bent as well.... and if/when he leaves it will be Rooneys time to shine... to become the "wonder boy" and become what he many think he could be

That is the stupidest thing ever. First of all, Ronaldo will not leave, he has become one of the best players in the world here and will be offered a new contract to reflect it. How will Hargrevees, A defensive midfielder weaken the loss? We will have a 34 year old Giggs and Park ji-Sung on the wings, that's not good enough. Why would we want Darren Bent, considering that Charlton have rejected an £18million offer for him, why would we pay more? And as for the Rooney thing, you obviously don't watch and united games. He already is the wonder boy, he is already shinning, he is going to become one of the best ever, Ronaldo does not restrict his progress, it just helps it and the club, having two of the best youngersters in the world. The fans love them both, never stop singing their name, why would Ronaldo want to leave?

Your post, upon more reading of it, makes no sense at all.

Article on Cristiano Ronaldo

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...407224&cc=5901

in no way did i claim that he (CR) hampers Rooney at all. I was simply pointing out that if he did leave more of the burden of carrying the team would fall on Rooney's shoulders and we would see if Wayne could truely become the greatest ever.

as for the Owen Hargraves comment... how do good players joining a team not weaken the loss of a star player? So what if he is a defensive mid he still brings skill to the pitch.

gdamac · 02-08-2007, 07:47 PM

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Why doesn't a rich American buy a club from League Champ for cheap, buy amazing players and move up to the Premiership and eventually become a power. It's a bit of a risk but it could be very profitable, especially if the club plays in a big city.

What "amazing player" would want to sign for a club in the League ChamP?

What do you think aboout Zidane possibly signing for Red Bull New York.

Freddy G · 02-08-2007, 08:23 PM

Did anyone else the ESPN ticker a week or so ago?

It said Ronaldinho was transferred to Milan. I know there have a bunch of rumors in the past, but there isn't anything on the website.

Tobzilla · 02-08-2007, 09:01 PM

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Did anyone else the ESPN ticker a week or so ago?

It said Ronaldinho was transferred to Milan. I know there have a bunch of rumors in the past, but there isn't anything on the website.

Ronaldo was transfered to AC Milan

etk · 02-08-2007, 09:40 PM

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Why doesn't a rich American buy a club from League Champ for cheap, buy amazing players and move up to the Premiership and eventually become a power. It's a bit of a risk but it could be very profitable, especially if the club plays in a big city.

What "amazing player" would want to sign for a club in the League ChamP?

What do you think aboout Zidane possibly signing for Red Bull New York.

I meant solid, not amazing players. A lot of money might sway their mind....
Zidane won't join the MLS. How old is he anyway? Older than Beckham?

comahan · 02-08-2007, 09:42 PM

Zidane is like 34/35ish

gdamac · 02-08-2007, 10:45 PM

^ He could still play every player in the MLS off the pitch (not to mention La Liga, Serie A, EPL, Bundesliga, etc.)

I think it would be a good, quasi retirement gig for him.

AdrianWilson12 · 02-09-2007, 06:27 AM

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Why doesn't a rich American buy a club from League Champ for cheap, buy amazing players and move up to the Premiership and eventually become a power. It's a bit of a risk but it could be very profitable, especially if the club plays in a big city.

They could, but they would probably want some team with history and potential to grow. So that basically limits Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday. There would be no point taking over someone like Colchester, purely from a business sence. Mind you teams like Wigan, Gretna and Fulham are only where they are because of rich owners. There is also the argument of patiences before they are good, added with the struggle of buying good players.

Jango · 02-09-2007, 10:50 AM

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So TH3 how does it feel now that Man U's best player Cristiano Ronaldo is headed to Spain pretty soon?

while I am sad he will be leaving.... I am happy.... his skip is top notch but if he dosnt want to play for Man U he needs to go.... Owen Hargraves will be here come the summer and that will weaken the loss and I expect us to make a move for Darren Bent as well.... and if/when he leaves it will be Rooneys time to shine... to become the "wonder boy" and become what he many think he could be

That is the stupidest thing ever. First of all, Ronaldo will not leave, he has become one of the best players in the world here and will be offered a new contract to reflect it. How will Hargrevees, A defensive midfielder weaken the loss? We will have a 34 year old Giggs and Park ji-Sung on the wings, that's not good enough. Why would we want Darren Bent, considering that Charlton have rejected an £18million offer for him, why would we pay more? And as for the Rooney thing, you obviously don't watch and united games. He already is the wonder boy, he is already shinning, he is going to become one of the best ever, Ronaldo does not restrict his progress, it just helps it and the club, having two of the best youngersters in the world. The fans love them both, never stop singing their name, why would Ronaldo want to leave?

Your post, upon more reading of it, makes no sense at all.

Article on Cristiano Ronaldo

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...407224&cc=5901

in no way did i claim that he (CR) hampers Rooney at all. I was simply pointing out that if he did leave more of the burden of carrying the team would fall on Rooney's shoulders and we would see if Wayne could truely become the greatest ever.

as for the Owen Hargraves comment... how do good players joining a team not weaken the loss of a star player? So what if he is a defensive mid he still brings skill to the pitch.

Have you watched any United games at all this season? Have you not seen how influential Ronaldo has been to the sucess of the team? Now take him out and replace him with Hargreeves. We are a second at best with him in the team and not Ronaldo. Also, the arguement you sugest is stupid. Just because you bring in a good player doesn't mean the loss of a star player is weakened, especially if they play in completly different positions. It's like taking off your world class striker for a world class defender. They are both world class, star players that add to the team but the effect on how you will play would be huge.

etk · 02-09-2007, 03:06 PM

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So TH3 how does it feel now that Man U's best player Cristiano Ronaldo is headed to Spain pretty soon?

while I am sad he will be leaving.... I am happy.... his skip is top notch but if he dosnt want to play for Man U he needs to go.... Owen Hargraves will be here come the summer and that will weaken the loss and I expect us to make a move for Darren Bent as well.... and if/when he leaves it will be Rooneys time to shine... to become the "wonder boy" and become what he many think he could be

That is the stupidest thing ever. First of all, Ronaldo will not leave, he has become one of the best players in the world here and will be offered a new contract to reflect it. How will Hargrevees, A defensive midfielder weaken the loss? We will have a 34 year old Giggs and Park ji-Sung on the wings, that's not good enough. Why would we want Darren Bent, considering that Charlton have rejected an £18million offer for him, why would we pay more? And as for the Rooney thing, you obviously don't watch and united games. He already is the wonder boy, he is already shinning, he is going to become one of the best ever, Ronaldo does not restrict his progress, it just helps it and the club, having two of the best youngersters in the world. The fans love them both, never stop singing their name, why would Ronaldo want to leave?

Your post, upon more reading of it, makes no sense at all.

Article on Cristiano Ronaldo

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...407224&cc=5901

in no way did i claim that he (CR) hampers Rooney at all. I was simply pointing out that if he did leave more of the burden of carrying the team would fall on Rooney's shoulders and we would see if Wayne could truely become the greatest ever.

as for the Owen Hargraves comment... how do good players joining a team not weaken the loss of a star player? So what if he is a defensive mid he still brings skill to the pitch.

Have you watched any United games at all this season? Have you not seen how influential Ronaldo has been to the sucess of the team? Now take him out and replace him with Hargreeves. We are a second at best with him in the team and not Ronaldo. Also, the arguement you sugest is stupid. Just because you bring in a good player doesn't mean the loss of a star player is weakened, especially if they play in completly different positions. It's like taking off your world class striker for a world class defender. They are both world class, star players that add to the team but the effect on how you will play would be huge.

Hargreaves+Lennon+Torres>>>>>Ronaldo

Jango · 02-09-2007, 03:23 PM

Yeah, but Hargreeves on it's own does not make up for the loss of Ronaldo.

UKfan · 02-09-2007, 03:24 PM

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So TH3 how does it feel now that Man U's best player Cristiano Ronaldo is headed to Spain pretty soon?

while I am sad he will be leaving.... I am happy.... his skip is top notch but if he dosnt want to play for Man U he needs to go.... Owen Hargraves will be here come the summer and that will weaken the loss and I expect us to make a move for Darren Bent as well.... and if/when he leaves it will be Rooneys time to shine... to become the "wonder boy" and become what he many think he could be

That is the stupidest thing ever. First of all, Ronaldo will not leave, he has become one of the best players in the world here and will be offered a new contract to reflect it. How will Hargrevees, A defensive midfielder weaken the loss? We will have a 34 year old Giggs and Park ji-Sung on the wings, that's not good enough. Why would we want Darren Bent, considering that Charlton have rejected an £18million offer for him, why would we pay more? And as for the Rooney thing, you obviously don't watch and united games. He already is the wonder boy, he is already shinning, he is going to become one of the best ever, Ronaldo does not restrict his progress, it just helps it and the club, having two of the best youngersters in the world. The fans love them both, never stop singing their name, why would Ronaldo want to leave?

Your post, upon more reading of it, makes no sense at all.

Article on Cristiano Ronaldo

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...407224&cc=5901

in no way did i claim that he (CR) hampers Rooney at all. I was simply pointing out that if he did leave more of the burden of carrying the team would fall on Rooney's shoulders and we would see if Wayne could truely become the greatest ever.

as for the Owen Hargraves comment... how do good players joining a team not weaken the loss of a star player? So what if he is a defensive mid he still brings skill to the pitch.

Have you watched any United games at all this season? Have you not seen how influential Ronaldo has been to the sucess of the team? Now take him out and replace him with Hargreeves. We are a second at best with him in the team and not Ronaldo. Also, the arguement you sugest is stupid. Just because you bring in a good player doesn't mean the loss of a star player is weakened, especially if they play in completly different positions. It's like taking off your world class striker for a world class defender. They are both world class, star players that add to the team but the effect on how you will play would be huge.

Hargreaves+Lennon+Torres>>>>>Ronaldo

Are you saying you could buy those 3 for the price of Ronaldo? The combination would probably be better for a team, although individually Ronaldo has been much better than any of them this season, but it is no way an equal pricing. Lennon alone would likely set an English team back £20m + due to the overpricing of English talent. Torres would be probably £15m or so, and Hargreaves was likely to be about £12m or so I believe, Ronaldo's potential transfer has been rumoured at around £35m

I haven't read the whole argument so excuse me if I missed the point, just my take.

etk · 02-09-2007, 06:13 PM

Obviously 3 players would amount to more expensive than one, but the possible retirements of Giggs/Carrick would free up salary space. I don't know why they want Hargreaves so badly. They're better off pursuing an off-the-market player with more talent. Aaron Lennon is the only adequate replacement for Ronaldo that I can think of. Robben is out of question.

etk · 02-10-2007, 02:07 PM

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Obviously 3 players would amount to more expensive than one, but the possible retirements of Giggs/Carrick would free up salary space. I don't know why they want Hargreaves so badly. They're better off pursuing an off-the-market player with more talent. Aaron Lennon is the only adequate replacement for Ronaldo that I can think of. Robben is out of question.

Scholes not Carrick my bad.

Vince Lombardi · 02-10-2007, 04:19 PM

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Ronaldo clearly wants to go to Spain and so do his Portugal coaches. Man U should sell him for a ridiculous amount and use the leftover money to pry Aaron Lennon from Tottenham and sign another available player like Crouch or something. Lennon is younger than Ronaldo and is faster/better at crosses but he can't score like Ronaldo. That's what I would do in FIFA 07

If United even looks at Lennon I will personally hunt their board down and destroy them all. It's tough enough being a fan of the Hotspur as it is, but take away Lennon and I'd be downright pissed off. :evil:

JJJ888 · 02-10-2007, 05:10 PM

I still maintain the fact that the MLS needs more than gimicks to make it a successful league. Bringing in guys like Beckham and Zidane will certainly attract interest for their first few games, but people won't be following teams, they will be following two superstars, and may only watch their games. The way to build a league is to have fans who are, well, fanatical about teams narrow, not the occassional superstar. That way, fans will go to games like they do in Europe--go to any game you can to support your team. Not try to get to the one or two games a year when Beckham comes to town.

Vince Lombardi · 02-10-2007, 06:08 PM

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I still maintain the fact that the MLS needs more than gimicks to make it a successful league. Bringing in guys like Beckham and Zidane will certainly attract interest for their first few games, but people won't be following teams, they will be following two superstars, and may only watch their games. The way to build a league is to have fans who are, well, fanatical about teams narrow, not the occassional superstar. That way, fans will go to games like they do in Europe--go to any game you can to support your team. Not try to get to the one or two games a year when Beckham comes to town.

I agree, but bringing in aging superstars certainly isn't hurting the cause. For the MLS to ever be truly popular they will have to be able to compete with the top European leagues to sign the best players. MLS is still a long ways away from being able to do that, but the new Beckham rule might open the floodgates and allow MLS teams to break the bank for some young superstars eventually.

02-10-2007, 06:12 PM

The MLS is almost verging on communist what with the way it pools money. There's no way it's going to make any money with the player base it has, although David Beckham might change that.

etk · 02-11-2007, 07:36 PM

Holy crap Ramzorzlol can spell!!!

Don't Tottenham have Terry Dixon. He's like my age and he's so good in FIFA in manager mode.

Vince Lombardi · 02-13-2007, 08:40 AM

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Don't Tottenham have Terry Dixon. He's like my age and he's so good in FIFA in manager mode.

He's in their 1st year academy, he's still only like 17 so he's gotta work his way up. He does get badass in the FIFA though.

RWFender1 · 02-14-2007, 02:15 AM

is he a striker?

Vince Lombardi · 02-14-2007, 08:41 AM

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is he a striker?

Dixon? yea

sweetness34 · 02-14-2007, 08:54 AM

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The MLS is almost verging on communist what with the way it pools money. There's no way it's going to make any money with the player base it has, although David Beckham might change that.

Huh?

Um they're making plenty of money dude. If they weren't, they wouldn't be building new stadiums every year.

Not near as much as say the EPL or Serie A, but they're doing pretty darn well.