The Coaching Change thread - Page 11

etk · 12-13-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KobeBryant833

Miami is building for titles? last time i checked there going in the wrong direction and Florida is building and winning national titles IMO.

Last time I checked, there should be spelled they're. You know, like they are. A place can't go in the wrong direction. Moving on...

Wrong direction? Larry Coker flipped us from being a national title contender to a 5-7 win team. Under Shannon, we're recruiting top 5 classes, developing our players and shaping them as young men. 7-8 wins and a late-season choke away from making the ACC title game is pretty good progress considering how young our team is and how far we've come.

Florida is already there. Urban Meyer is a shortcut kind of guy, and he did whatever it took to build up his program quickly. We'll be there in a couple of years, but without all the rumors, scandals and arrests that will continue to plague UF under Meyer's tenure. Last I checked, we've won 5 National Titles, so it's nothing new.

lol kwilk.

Hollywood · 12-13-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kwilk103

auburn paying him $3 mil a year

could of had kelly, holtz, turner for less and all are better coaches

Hell if I'm Auburn I'd rather have Ron Zook than Chizik, at least you know you're getting a top 5 recruiter in the country.

Chizik...yuck. I've always kinda liked Auburn too...I gotta feel for them today.

Turtlepower · 12-13-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood

Hell if I'm Auburn I'd rather have Ron Zook than Chizik, at least you know you're getting a top 5 recruiter in the country.

Chizik...yuck. I've always kinda liked Auburn too...I gotta feel for them today.

You can't feel sorry for a fan base and administration that ran Tuberville out. They sort of did this to themselves.

CroomDawgs · 12-13-2008, 04:27 PM

This has gotta be the first time a coach from a 3-9 team has been hired by a prestigious program

murdamal86 · 12-13-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CroomDawgs

This has gotta be the first time a coach from a 3-9 team has been hired by a prestigious program

Man how is the feeling down there initally about the hiring of Dan Mullen? To me, i think that he can help rise MSU out of the cellar but he's going to need some patience from the fans and admin because he does have his work cut out for him. We haven't heard if he's going to coach us in the MNC Game, has there been any word on that up there?

bearsfan_51 · 12-13-2008, 04:49 PM

Now now...let's been fair. Iowa State is a death trap. Nobody wins there.

murdamal86 · 12-13-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by etk

Last time I checked, there should be spelled they're. You know, like they are. A place can't go in the wrong direction. Moving on...

Wrong direction? Larry Coker flipped us from being a national title contender to a 5-7 win team. Under Shannon, we're recruiting top 5 classes, developing our players and shaping them as young men. 7-8 wins and a late-season choke away from making the ACC title game is pretty good progress considering how young our team is and how far we've come.

Florida is already there. Urban Meyer is a shortcut kind of guy, and he did whatever it took to build up his program quickly. We'll be there in a couple of years, but without all the rumors, scandals and arrests that will continue to plague UF under Meyer's tenure. Last I checked, we've won 5 National Titles, so it's nothing new.

lol kwilk.

well besides the fact that i hate UM, i'll give it to ya'll in the fact that the program is headed in the right direction as far as removing itself from the Coker error. I don't think you can blame Meyer for things that happen off the field as far as player arrest and what not but if you want to, gone head, i won't argue with that.

Turtlepower · 12-13-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Now now...let's been fair. Iowa State is a death trap. Nobody wins there.

In the football team's history, Iowa State has only had 2 seasons of 9 or more wins. In 2000 and in 1906... WOW

http://www.cyclones.com//pdf7/49353.pdf

CroomDawgs · 12-13-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by murdamal86

Man how is the feeling down there initally about the hiring of Dan Mullen? To me, i think that he can help rise MSU out of the cellar but he's going to need some patience from the fans and admin because he does have his work cut out for him. We haven't heard if he's going to coach us in the MNC Game, has there been any word on that up there?

I haven't heard if he's coaching in the title game i think he shouldn't though we need a lot of help on offense he should start work on that ASAP. I'm excited for the hire. What Florida has done with him and Meyer on offense is sick and although I loved Croom for what he did the offense was painful to watch (mostly wesley Carroll

). I think it will take a year though we don't have a back or player like a Percy Harvin or Jeffrey Demps. Dixon is a power back through and through and DUcre ain't got no speed. Another thing is it will be intresting to see about how well he recruits. Florida was able to land numerous top notch prospects with great speed and we need that to keep up in the SEC.

I'm not expecting a Houston Nutt turnaround but hopefully we can get to a bowl game next year, Tyson Lee could be pretty good in Mullens offense.

CroomDawgs · 12-13-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Turtlepower

In the football team's history, Iowa State has only had 2 seasons of 9 or more wins. In 2000 and in 1906... WOW

http://www.cyclones.com//pdf7/49353.pdf

I remember when Seneca Wallace was the heisman fronrunner and then was destroyed by Oklahoma. LOL.

murdamal86 · 12-13-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CroomDawgs

I haven't heard if he's coaching in the title game i think he shouldn't though we need a lot of help on offense he should start work on that ASAP. I'm excited for the hire. What Florida has done with him and Meyer on offense is sick and although I loved Croom for what he did the offense was painful to watch (mostly wesley Carroll

). I think it will take a year though we don't have a back or player like a Percy Harvin or Jeffrey Demps. Dixon is a power back through and through and DUcre ain't got no speed. Another thing is it will be intresting to see about how well he recruits. Florida was able to land numerous top notch prospects with great speed and we need that to keep up in the SEC.

I'm not expecting a Houston Nutt turnaround but hopefully we can get to a bowl game next year, Tyson Lee could be pretty good in Mullens offense.

to be honest with you, i would love for him to call plays for us in the title game but realistically speaking he should be with his new school trying to piece the staff together. i don't know when it will come out if he's going to be with us in Miami or not but it needs to have already happened. One thing that i'll be wanting to see is how he's going to piece together his staff. i heard he may take some graduate assistants with him but no word on what's going to happen with the current MSU coaching staff. if you have any info on who he would be wise to keep or let go, please speak on it. I hope the best for Mullen but man he has an uphill battle.

iowatreat54 · 12-13-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CroomDawgs

This has gotta be the first time a coach from a 3-9 team has been hired by a prestigious program

come on now, they were 2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 without playing Oklahoma, Texas, or Texas Tech.

fwiw, I really hope Chizik does well at Auburn so that it's a further slight to how horrible Iowa St. really is.

diabsoule · 12-14-2008, 12:22 AM

Kirk Herbstreit loves the hire of Gene Chizik.

etk · 12-14-2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by murdamal86

well besides the fact that i hate UM, i'll give it to ya'll in the fact that the program is headed in the right direction as far as removing itself from the Coker error. I don't think you can blame Meyer for things that happen off the field as far as player arrest and what not but if you want to, gone head, i won't argue with that.

Meyer chooses to recruit these players onto his team. Ditto to Tommy Bowden and others. I blame his stubbornness. Meyer has a talented, NC contender team and he still feels he has to get every talented player out there. If he would raise his standards and do more thorough background checks on these kids, we wouldn't have this problem. Then he could just replace the bad kids with good ones that have a bit less talent.

Maybe Coach will learn his lesson and take my advice, maybe not. You can't just say it's all circumstance though, because there are preventative measures that can be taken. But yeah, other than the fact that these players are his recruits, you can't really go out and say it's his fault because he's a bad influence or something. We'll see what happens in the next 3-5 years.

SuperKevin · 12-14-2008, 06:16 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3768737

Ball State head coach Brady Hoke takes the San Diego State HC job.

Yatta! · 12-14-2008, 06:16 PM

Sources saying that Ball State HC Brady Hoke will take the SDSU job.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3768737

P-L · 12-14-2008, 09:48 PM

I agree with 51, give Chizik a chance. Iowa State is an awful job. It's almost impossible to recruit there. They are the second best program in a state that has poor talent already and they wouldn't get good out-of-state recruits if Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Ron Zook were all on the coaching staff.

Hollywood · 12-15-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by P-L

I agree with 51, give Chizik a chance. Iowa State is an awful job. It's almost impossible to recruit there. They are the second best program in a state that has poor talent already and they wouldn't get good out-of-state recruits if Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Ron Zook were all on the coaching staff.

I agree that Iowa State is an awful job, but you don't promote a guy because he did terrible work at an awful job.

SuperKevin · 12-15-2008, 11:13 AM

Yeah but Chizik was responsible for turning Texas into a perennial Defensive powerhouse

Hollywood · 12-15-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperKevin

Yeah but Chizik was responsible for turning Texas into a perennial Defensive powerhouse

That's an absolutely asinine comment. Chizik spent two years at Texas and he is the one responsible for turning Texas into a perennial defensive powerhouse??? Huh??

The amazing talent that Texas brings in is responsible for their solid defensive outputs, not the guy who spent two years as defensive coordinator in Austin.

SuperKevin · 12-15-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood

That's an absolutely asinine comment. Chizik spent two years at Texas and he is the one responsible for turning Texas into a perennial defensive powerhouse??? Huh??

The amazing talent that Texas brings in is responsible for their solid defensive outputs, not the guy who spent two years as defensive coordinator in Austin.

How about Gene Chizik was the hottest DC in all of football when he took the Iowa State job?

If it also helps to show why he got the Auburn job, he was the DC at Auburn when they went 13-0. From what I've been hearing, they've been waiting for the opportunity to hire Chizik for close to 5 years now and it finally came along.

etk · 12-15-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperKevin

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3768737

Ball State head coach Brady Hoke takes the San Diego State HC job.

A minor upgrade over the Ball State job, but you have to wonder whether he could've found a better gig now or in a year. He could use the SDSU job as a stepping stone like Meyer in Utah, or he could float around 4-6 wins and fall off the coaching map. I think it's a risky move taking over a program with little to offer except long-term potential.

murdamal86 · 12-15-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by etk

Meyer chooses to recruit these players onto his team. Ditto to Tommy Bowden and others. I blame his stubbornness. Meyer has a talented, NC contender team and he still feels he has to get every talented player out there. If he would raise his standards and do more thorough background checks on these kids, we wouldn't have this problem. Then he could just replace the bad kids with good ones that have a bit less talent.

Maybe Coach will learn his lesson and take my advice, maybe not. You can't just say it's all circumstance though, because there are preventative measures that can be taken. But yeah, other than the fact that these players are his recruits, you can't really go out and say it's his fault because he's a bad influence or something. We'll see what happens in the next 3-5 years.

lol in the next 3-5 years, Meyer will be gone to ND and maybe we'll finally get Stoops azz to come back to Gainesville hmm.....

Turtlepower · 12-15-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by etk

A minor upgrade over the Ball State job, but you have to wonder whether he could've found a better gig now or in a year. He could use the SDSU job as a stepping stone like Meyer in Utah, or he could float around 4-6 wins and fall off the coaching map. I think it's a risky move taking over a program with little to offer except long-term potential.

San Diego State is actually a great and very underrated job. They have a huge fan base, great facilities and arguably the best looking campus in the country. They have a history of semi-respectability, so I think it is a great move. Get some decent talent there and he could make a constant run at the MWC.

etk · 12-15-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by murdamal86

lol in the next 3-5 years, Meyer will be gone to ND and maybe we'll finally get Stoops azz to come back to Gainesville hmm.....

Good. You could do without the drama and gimmicky offense. I hate ND more than UF as a school, but the team that has Meyer gets the least respect.

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Originally Posted by Turtlepower

San Diego State is actually a great and very underrated job. They have a huge fan base, great facilities and arguably the best looking campus in the country. They have a history of semi-respectability, so I think it is a great move. Get some decent talent there and he could make a constant run at the MWC.

I agree 100%. Problem is, that all falls into the "potential" department.