With the 4th pick in the 2009 draft

[Smokey Joe]

Originally Posted by jballa838

At 4? No way man.

He's gonna rise big time. He put up great numbers this season, had a great rose bowl, and he's gonna workout and test really well.

[jballa838]

Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

He's gonna rise big time. He put up great numbers this season, had a great rose bowl, and he's gonna workout and test really well.

still no way man. Sanchez is not what we need. Be edgy and give us Mays.

Mays, Crabtree, Smith or Jenkins I say are the most likely choices.

I mean if we DO go QB, I won't be dissapointed, but I truly won't feel like we took advantage of the talent on the board as far as what we need to win now.

[jballa838]

I'll throw my hat in disgust.

yeah, i hear you, i probably would too

but i guess i'd just try to be supportive, but i am with you, i don't feel like it's the right direction right now

i mean i'd be comfortable with taking a QB in the 2nd round even, try to develop them you know?

top 4 or 5 player has to play NOW imo

[Smokey Joe]

I think you guys need a QB big time. Sure, when healthy Hasselbeck is a solid QB. However, he is going to be 34 next season, and his injuries are back and knee related, and those always linger. Also, you only have Seneca and Fyre behind him.

While you guys can compete in the NFC West, I don't see you guys turning into a legit contender for the NFC title in just one season. I think you guys need a two year plan, where in the 2009-2010 year, you're just looking to progress as a team and get into the middle of the pack.

[jballa838]

Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

I think you guys need a QB big time. Sure, when healthy Hasselbeck is a solid QB. However, he is going to be 34 next season, and his injuries are back and knee related, and those always linger. Also, you only have Seneca and Fyre behind him.

While you guys can compete in the NFC West, I don't see you guys turning into a legit contender for the NFC title in just one season. I think you guys need a two year plan, where in the 2009-2010 year, you're just looking to progress as a team and get into the middle of the pack.

He got back problems because of the seats on the Plane. and a two-year plan is great, if we would have any talent on the team by then. The cap hit is too large to justify it, and it basically be a kick to Hasselbeck's nuts.

Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

I think you guys need a QB big time. Sure, when healthy Hasselbeck is a solid QB. However, he is going to be 34 next season, and his injuries are back and knee related, and those always linger. Also, you only have Seneca and Fyre behind him.

While you guys can compete in the NFC West, I don't see you guys turning into a legit contender for the NFC title in just one season. I think you guys need a two year plan, where in the 2009-2010 year, you're just looking to progress as a team and get into the middle of the pack.

i guess i just look at the other players we just gave big contracts too

julius jones
marcus trufant
lofa tatupu
julian peterson
patrick kerney
walter jones
hasselbeck

all these guys are making alot of money, I mean, minus Jones, everyone is probably roughly at the top financially in their position

so its like, if we treat next year as a slight rebuilding/improvement year, we are paying alot of players to play knowing they aren't trying to really compete legitimately

i mean, they just get one year older, and some of those guys we cant risk that happening

[Smokey Joe]

Keep Hasselbeck for one more year to develop Sanchez, and then cut him prior to the 2010-2011 season.

Originally Posted by jballa838

He got back problems because of the seats on the Plane. and a two-year plan is great, if we would have any talent on the team by then. The cap hit is too large to justify it, and it basically be a kick to Hasselbeck's nuts.

yeah exactly

what about trading our 1st to the Patriots for theirs and Cassell?

i say no but i've thought about it lol.

[jballa838]

Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

Keep Hasselbeck for one more year to develop Sanchez, and then cut him prior to the 2010-2011 season.

What don't you understand about winning now? If we were to do that there would be no incentive for Hasselbeck to play well. And we'd be putting the last remaining years of Walter Jones and Patrick Kerney in the hands of a QB who has proved nothing in the NFL, and was a one year starter/wonder.

Originally Posted by J.Hens.

what about trading our 1st to the Patriots for theirs and Cassell?

i say no but i've thought about it lol.

Cassel is a UFA. . .

oh yeah that's right

from rumors, brady might not be good for 2009 anyways.

[summond822]

Originally Posted by jballa838

Lojack was one of the worst picks in the history of the seahawks, so I'd like Okrapo, if the price is right. Once again, at 4 we need an "Elite" talent to be worth the money. I dont see us going QB until later, and bolstering our pass rush would be great for our team.
So my Big Board is now:
1. Jenkins
2. Crabtree
3. Okrapo
4. Mays

I really dont like Stafford or Smith, and no other prospects jump out as "Elite" like these do. Jenkins is a great cover corner, Crabtree is a great WR, and Okrapo and Mays are both game changers who can make a large impact immediately.

My list goes like this (operating under the assumption they don't resign Leroy Hill):

1. Jenkins
2. Curry
3. Taylor Mays
4. Michael Crabtree

I have to agree with what jballa said when he said there is just something about Crabtree that I just don't like. I keep trying to think positive about it, but I can't. I am starting to hate the Crabtree pick and I cannot see Ruskell going with Crabtree who only has marginal timed speed. I try to compare him to Larry Fitzgerald, but I just don't see it.

Smith and Stafford I don't actually expect to be there when the Seahawks pick, so that is why I left them out otherwise they would 3 and 4 respectively.

Mays I only see them drafting if they trade down. I am actually growing quite fond of the Mays pick if they can't get Jenkins.

As for WR being a greater need, I think we need to fix the biggest problem we had this year, a defense that returned all 11 starters and still was among the league's worst. Taking Jenkins or Mays would provide upgrades at two positions that really struggled this year, while Curry would just be a replacement to a pro-bowl caliber OLB.

I believe we can get a good WR in the second or third who has YAC ability, like a Harvin or a Derrick Williams. Maybe even take a C.J. Spiller to give them an actual change of pace back.

If they take a QB it is going to be a person who has the tangibles, but who is raw, like Josh Freeman. Any QB they take is going to be a project, so why waste a first round draft pick on one who is going to sit on the bench and get paid an insane amount of money. You don't take Top 5 picks to sit on the bench, it's too much of a financial restriction.

Edit: As for Hasselbeck being a good QB when he is healthy, thats an understatement. He is one of the top QB's in the league when he is healthy. Seneca Wallace has really impressed me this year, and I can eventually see him running this team full time. If a coach made a game plan that incorporated his running abilities into the scheme, like in roll outs and such, then he could be a really good QB.