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Good read though. I think Las Vegas could support a team. The gambling capital of the world. Tourists there all the time. I think it would do pretty darn well.
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Good read though. I think Las Vegas could support a team. The gambling capital of the world. Tourists there all the time. I think it would do pretty darn well.
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This is why I shudder at the thought of a team moving to Los Angeles. Because if theres a team that needs to move, its the Jags.
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This is why I shudder at the thought of a team moving to Los Angeles. Because if theres a team that needs to move, its the Jags.
Jacksonville just had a Super Bowl like 2 years ago.
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This is why I shudder at the thought of a team moving to Los Angeles. Because if theres a team that needs to move, its the Jags.
Jacksonville just had a Super Bowl like 2 years ago.
Yeah and sadly it was one of the poorest organized Super Bowls of all time.

I found this article, and granted it's like 5 years old but it's relevant to the debate.

"Tuesday, May 15, 2001

Story last updated at 11:38 p.m. on Monday, May 14, 2001
Jaguars' profit figures are worth remembering in future
See also: NFL lists Jags' 5-year profit at $79 million




Spinning around the news dial ... click.

Whoa. Here are some interesting figures.

In reporting on the Oakland Raiders' lawsuit against the National Football League, The Los Angeles Times obtained documents that had been entered into evidence that provided the financial performance of each of the league's 31 teams.

As you might imagine, such information has been closely guarded in the past. Even team owners didn't have a complete picture of what other teams were doing.

So, drum roll, how about the Jaguars?

According to the Los Angeles Times report, the Jacksonville Jaguars had operating profits in 1999 of $27.6 million and ranked fourth among NFL teams. In 1998, the Jaguars ranked second with operating profits of $30.1 million.

Not too shabby, eh? You might want to keep those numbers in mind when discussions come up about who should pay for improvements at Alltel Stadium that the Jaguars want done before the Super Bowl comes to town."

So the point here is that the Jaguars are doing fine. Basically all NFL teams are doing fine because it's the best ran professional sports league and it has evolved into America's most popular game. No NFL team should have to worry about being sold anytime soon.
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Jacksonville needs to be out of the NFL and the team needs to be put in a place where fans are starving for a team. I don't think LA really is starving for a team, but one city that would do anything in the world would be Las Vegas!!! Look at Green Bay and Kansas City, two cities that lack success in anything else, but when it comes to football, that is what they live for.
Las Vegas makes so much less sense than Los Angeles. It's just a much smaller version with even bigger concerns. NBA teams can work in smaller-city markets that the NFL cannot. This is why an NBA team can play in Oklahoma City, which would never be feasible for an NFL team.

im assuming you dont know much about las vegas.... being that ive been living in Vegas for over 11 years and seen it grow like no other city in this country. From 1995 being about 200,000 people with in 10 years it grew close to 2 million people in the las vegas valley. You name one sporting event that is shown here in las vegas that hasnt had success. Boxing, UFC, ect . I personally worked this last weeks NBA all star week and we had the highest turn out for the nba jam sessions then any other previous city. They are looking into bringing it to vegas more often now. No other city can hold the people then vegas can, conventions, hotels, attractions and just the shire ease of having people travel just to come here and even to watch a game. If the tourist wouldnt fill seats then you have about 2 million people in the valley that are craving for a local team to support. I will tell you this much there is probably more money in this city then most nfl cities these casinos bring in so much money its crazy and many casino owners are all for bringing in a team because it will help them in the long run. Having a Great mayor who is working hard to get a team here and its his goal and having these casino backing a lot of money into a having a team here a stadium wouldnt be a issue of being build. Previous Vikings owner wanted to move the vikings to Las Vegas he had a interest here but ended up not doing it and that was 7 or 8 years ago i beleive, the city is even larger now. Montreal Expos wanted to move there team to vegas as well it was there 2nd choice outside of washington dc. So i do truely beleive Vegas would definatly be able to support a pro team and even NFL do i beleive that the first pro team will be a NFL team here in vegas no i think it will be Basketball or Baseball. Sorry hope i made some sense sometimes i can keep going and going lol but being that this has been my hometown for the past 11 years i truely beleive and support this city in the quest of getting a team here.


but i also agree los angeles deserves a city as well!
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Stoner, how the hell did you understand all this? Aren't all your brain cells gone from your dates with Mary Jane?



Good read though. I think Las Vegas could support a team. The gambling capital of the world. Tourists there all the time. I think it would do pretty darn well.
Stoner is his last name Anyway, weed doesnt kill brain cells, only numbs them, they come back later on. Alcohol kills them.

Like Ward said, Texas could easily support a 3rd team.
Ok, I'm sorry....YFS.

Btw, my friends would beg to differ that smoking pot doesn't kill brain cells. I think my friend is legally retarted (IQ wise) because he's smoked so much.
There's no need to apologize. And don't get me wrong. I smoke a ******** of weed (at least twice a day).
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I'd personally love to see a NFL franchise in Las Vegas, and I think it would do well also.
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So what does this atricle really saying? The NFL screwed up when even putting a team in Jacksonville in the first place?
You could certainly make that case, as Jacksonville is the league's smallest market and has the smallest fan base. However, it usually takes generations for a team and a city to establish a bond that results in a large and dedicated fan base. I also think the fact that the Jaguars have been able to sell out their stadium, despite having the smallest market and fan base, is a testament to the people of Jacksonville, as they have a much smaller pool of fans to work with. The biggest mistake they made when putting a team in Jacksonville was making the stadium far too large to sell out in a small market.

Like I said, this isn't a Jaguars-only issue. There are a number small market teams around the league who have this same problem.
Didn't the Jaguars have to take a couple thousand seats out of the stadium so they could sell it out and air the games on TV in Jacksonville beacuse of the blackout rules?
Yes, they did, because the size of the stadium was wayy out of proportion with the size of the market.

The decision to cover the seats was one of the best decisions to make if the Jaguars wanted to stay in Jacksonville.
Excuse me if i'm missing something here, but what good does covering seats really do beyond being able to say "Hey, we sold out!" easier?
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This seems like it was obviously at least a small mistake, choosing Jax as the expansion. Not to beat a dead horse, but one of the more interesting issues here to me is was it unethical for Tagliabue to put the expanision team there just to placate his buddy Jack Kent Cooke. And it was a bad business move too. How many now Ravens fans were really former skins fans? Not me. It was probably Tags' biggest mistake. Again, no offense to Jags fans.
There's no offense taken, as it's all water under the bridge anyways. Plus, there's the fact that I think it's ridiculous that it took the NFL almost twenty years to give Baltimore a team after losing the Colts.

I also think it's ridiculous that Irsay was allowed to take the rights of the Colts with him. But I guess they learned their lesson, as that was the move that predicated the league forcing Art Modell to leave the rights of the Browns with the city of Cleveland.

But that's a whole other issue...
Didn't seem to influence Bud Adams and the Oilers though, which was between the Colts and Browns cases. As you said though, whole other issue....
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So what does this atricle really saying? The NFL screwed up when even putting a team in Jacksonville in the first place?
You could certainly make that case, as Jacksonville is the league's smallest market and has the smallest fan base. However, it usually takes generations for a team and a city to establish a bond that results in a large and dedicated fan base. I also think the fact that the Jaguars have been able to sell out their stadium, despite having the smallest market and fan base, is a testament to the people of Jacksonville, as they have a much smaller pool of fans to work with. The biggest mistake they made when putting a team in Jacksonville was making the stadium far too large to sell out in a small market.

Like I said, this isn't a Jaguars-only issue. There are a number small market teams around the league who have this same problem.
Didn't the Jaguars have to take a couple thousand seats out of the stadium so they could sell it out and air the games on TV in Jacksonville beacuse of the blackout rules?
Yes, they did, because the size of the stadium was wayy out of proportion with the size of the market.

The decision to cover the seats was one of the best decisions to make if the Jaguars wanted to stay in Jacksonville.
Excuse me if i'm missing something here, but what good does covering seats really do beyond being able to say "Hey, we sold out!" easier?
Well. By putting away seats and having them "not for sale" it makes the stadium capacity on paper lower and it gets easier to sell out. That way when all the tickets for sale are sold out they can air the games on local television.
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Huh?

Now, while I think Jacksonville should support the team and sell out the seats, but easiest and affordable? I definitely doubt that. It's cheap in Jacksonville, but most everyone else it's an arm and a leg to get a good seat.
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I think the point of the thread was to suggest that eventually small market teams like the jaguars and bills will not be able to provide competitive rosters, much like baseball now, if something isn't done to parallel the gap between teams such as the Patriots and Jaguars....the thread wasn't created to discuss WHY Jacksonville has a franchise...
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So what does this atricle really saying? The NFL screwed up when even putting a team in Jacksonville in the first place?
You could certainly make that case, as Jacksonville is the league's smallest market and has the smallest fan base. However, it usually takes generations for a team and a city to establish a bond that results in a large and dedicated fan base. I also think the fact that the Jaguars have been able to sell out their stadium, despite having the smallest market and fan base, is a testament to the people of Jacksonville, as they have a much smaller pool of fans to work with. The biggest mistake they made when putting a team in Jacksonville was making the stadium far too large to sell out in a small market.

Like I said, this isn't a Jaguars-only issue. There are a number small market teams around the league who have this same problem.
Jacksonville is not the smallest market in the NFL. Green Bay is, by far. Green Bay has 100,000, Jacksonville metro has over a million and is growing very fast. Green Bay is successful because of a long winning tradition.

Has it ever occured to anyone that Jacksonville may be a college football town? Both Florida and Florida State is within a reasonable driving distance. Both storied programs. Not everyone is thrilled with pro sports.

On to Buffalo. Once Ralph Wilson passes on, that team may be in trouble. Buffalo's population is shrinking, poor, and old. It doesn't have much of a base to draw on. The best scenario is to probably play one or two regular season games in Toronto (they really should play in Canada on Canada fan appreciation day).
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Huh?

Now, while I think Jacksonville should support the team and sell out the seats, but easiest and affordable? I definitely doubt that. It's cheap in Jacksonville, but most everyone else it's an arm and a leg to get a good seat.
there are relatively few tickets to buy (8 at, the league average of 63$ a pop, compared to 81 at 20? for baseball, and whatever the numbers are for basketball). he didn't say it was easy to buy tickets, but that the sport should be the easiest way to afford a set of season tickets out of the three majors.
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I'd say Buffalo is in deeper sh-t than Jacksonville. Toronto with it's 16 million regional population is very attractive and might be the NFL's 1st step towards making the game international.
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Huh?

Now, while I think Jacksonville should support the team and sell out the seats, but easiest and affordable? I definitely doubt that. It's cheap in Jacksonville, but most everyone else it's an arm and a leg to get a good seat.
there are relatively few tickets to buy (8 at, the league average of 63$ a pop, compared to 81 at 20? for baseball, and whatever the numbers are for basketball). he didn't say it was easy to buy tickets, but that the sport should be the easiest way to afford a set of season tickets out of the three majors.
Basically that is what I was saying. I am on the list for Giants season tickets. I won't get them for another 40 years ( ) but if they called tomorrow I could afford them at a relatively young age and average salary. The games are basically every other sunday. So it wouldn't take up all my time like 41 home basketball/hockey games or 81 baseball games. Also it is technically 10 games because they make you pay for the preseason. So one season ticket at the league average is about $630, Lets bump it up even to $700 for error/round number purposes.

So lets say a football stadium does go up in Oklahoma City. There should be enough people within a 2 hour radius in any direction who can fork over $700 dollars a year to fill lets say a 65,000 seat stadium. The only problem with OK City is that I would assume most of them are already Cowboy fans.

The bottom line is at the age of 23, I can financially afford to own Giants season tickets if the waiting list wasn't 40 years long. I can't do the same for the Yankees, Knicks, or Rangers.
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The Chiefs are in small market and have one of the bigger stadium's in the NFL Seating Capacity 79,451 it can be done.
Kansas City draws from all over the place though. If you like in Kansas, Oklahoma, or Nebraska you're just as likely to be a Chiefs fan as anything else.

Jacksonville basically draws from Northern Florida and that's it. It was an awful move to put a football team there in the first place. That being said, I think the Bills are the worst-placed team in the NFL, and I would keep a close on on the rumors of them eventually moving to Toronto.
Buffalo has some die hard fans though. Their fan base is not even close to as bad as Jacksonville.
Like I said, it usually takes generations for a team to build a solid bond with its city. It's a major sociological issue that I think gets overlooked when analyzing fan bases. If you think about it, the first generation of the fan base for an expansion team is people who have never had a pro team in their city before, and don't have a real attachment to the team. When the team first comes, buying tickets to the game is just the newest "fad" and after a few losing seasons, that fad wears off - just like any other ones. The die hard fans will come as the kids who grow up with the team and are more "die hard" fans get old enough to become season ticket holders.

Think about all of the teams who have what's considered a "die hard" fan base. The ones that usually come to mind the most quickly are the Bears, Packers, Steelers, and Giants - all teams that have been in the league since the 1930s.
It has just as much to do, if not more, with geography. It's warm in Florida. You can go to the beach. You can't do *********** in Pittsburgh or Cleveland. Trust me.
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I'd say Buffalo is in deeper sh-t than Jacksonville. Toronto with it's 16 million regional population is very attractive and might be the NFL's 1st step towards making the game international.
Honestly I think Toronto is best case scenario for Bills fans. It's only like an hour drive isn't it? They would still be in the home market and making the trip to Bills games wouldn't be a problem at all.
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Football stadiums should always be sold out. Plain and simple. It is the easiest and most affordable sport to own season tickets in.
Huh?

Now, while I think Jacksonville should support the team and sell out the seats, but easiest and affordable? I definitely doubt that. It's cheap in Jacksonville, but most everyone else it's an arm and a leg to get a good seat.
there are relatively few tickets to buy (8 at, the league average of 63$ a pop, compared to 81 at 20? for baseball, and whatever the numbers are for basketball). he didn't say it was easy to buy tickets, but that the sport should be the easiest way to afford a set of season tickets out of the three majors.
Basically that is what I was saying. I am on the list for Giants season tickets. I won't get them for another 40 years ( ) but if they called tomorrow I could afford them at a relatively young age and average salary. The games are basically every other sunday. So it wouldn't take up all my time like 41 home basketball/hockey games or 81 baseball games. Also it is technically 10 games because they make you pay for the preseason. So one season ticket at the league average is about $630, Lets bump it up even to $700 for error/round number purposes.

So lets say a football stadium does go up in Oklahoma City. There should be enough people within a 2 hour radius in any direction who can fork over $700 dollars a year to fill lets say a 65,000 seat stadium. The only problem with OK City is that I would assume most of them are already Cowboy fans.

The bottom line is at the age of 23, I can financially afford to own Giants season tickets if the waiting list wasn't 40 years long. I can't do the same for the Yankees, Knicks, or Rangers.
The biggest issues is local advertising revenue and media market. Just because they could feasible fill a stadium doesn't mean there would be anyone else left around to watch the game on television. The market is just too small. Filling the stadium is only a very small part of the equation.
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I still honestly think they should send a team to Toronto. It's the fifth largest city in North America, and it would also want a football team. Also, if Toronto got a team it would immediately become "Canada's Team," giving it a fan base of almost every football watcher in Canada.

I just think it would be good for the NFL in so many ways.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although Canada is home to the best sports nickname in all of sports, Vancouver Canucks.
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So what does this atricle really saying? The NFL screwed up when even putting a team in Jacksonville in the first place?
You could certainly make that case, as Jacksonville is the league's smallest market and has the smallest fan base. However, it usually takes generations for a team and a city to establish a bond that results in a large and dedicated fan base. I also think the fact that the Jaguars have been able to sell out their stadium, despite having the smallest market and fan base, is a testament to the people of Jacksonville, as they have a much smaller pool of fans to work with. The biggest mistake they made when putting a team in Jacksonville was making the stadium far too large to sell out in a small market.

Like I said, this isn't a Jaguars-only issue. There are a number small market teams around the league who have this same problem.
Jacksonville is not the smallest market in the NFL. Green Bay is, by far. Green Bay has 100,000, Jacksonville metro has over a million and is growing very fast. Green Bay is successful because of a long winning tradition.

Has it ever occured to anyone that Jacksonville may be a college football town? Both Florida and Florida State is within a reasonable driving distance. Both storied programs. Not everyone is thrilled with pro sports.

On to Buffalo. Once Ralph Wilson passes on, that team may be in trouble. Buffalo's population is shrinking, poor, and old. It doesn't have much of a base to draw on. The best scenario is to probably play one or two regular season games in Toronto (they really should play in Canada on Canada fan appreciation day).
Jacksonville is officially second-smallest, with Green Bay being the smallest. However, the situation in Green Bay is unique. Although Green Bay is the smallest market in the league, it has Milwaukee right down the road. The Packers played home games in both cities for a lot of years and had ticket offices in both cities. The Packers also draw from across the entire state of Wisconsin.

Calling Jacksonville a college football city is also a myth. Jacksonville routinely has some of the highest television ratings for NFL games in the entire country. There's definite interest, but they don't get statewide support like a lot of teams in the league. They're pigeonholed in north Florida, and there are already established fan bases for Tampa and Miami down south, and there are the Falcons to the north in Georgia.
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