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Old 05-12-2009, 12:06 AM    (permalink
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I know it's personal opinion but there's gotta be better guys than Clifton Ryan, Ron Bartell, and Donnie Avery.

As For Justin Smith, he tripled as a 5 technique, NT, and Stand up DE.
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Ron Bartell.. over Nate Clements?
More INTs, More Passes Defensed, More Sacks, More Forced Fumbles....
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:12 AM    (permalink
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I know it's personal opinion but there's gotta be better guys than Clifton Ryan, Ron Bartell, and Donnie Avery.

As For Justin Smith, he tripled as a 5 technique, NT, and Stand up DE.
There are....

Dockett and Mebane are better than Ryan. Clements and Trufant are better than Bartell. And Housh and Breaston are better than Avery.
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There are....

Dockett and Mebane are better than Ryan. Clements and Trufant are better than Bartell. And Housh and Breaston are better than Avery.
Bartell is one of the best Corners in the league, he just doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he plays for the Rams.
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More INTs, More Passes Defensed, More Sacks, More Forced Fumbles....

If we're going by stats for 1 year than Josh Wilson must be better than both.

More tackles, more forced fumbles, more INTs, sacks same.
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If we're going by stats for 1 year than Josh Wilson must be better than both.

More tackles, more forced fumbles, more INTs, sacks same.
Not going by one season, Bartell has been a very good Corner the past 3 seasons. His breakout year was last season.
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:19 AM    (permalink
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Bartell is one of the best Corners in the league, he just doesn't get the recognition he deserves because he plays for the Rams.
Clements and Trufant are 2 of the best corners in the league also....nobody said he wasnt good, just not as good as either Clements or Trufant.
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Clements and Trufant are 2 of the best corners in the league also....nobody said he wasnt good, just not as good as either Clements or Trufant.
Didn't really know we all had to agree here. :)
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QB- Jay Cutler
RB- Adrian Peterson
WR- Calvin Johnson
WR- Greg Jennings
TE- Greg Olsen
LT- Bryant McKinnie
LG- Steve Hutchinson
C- Olin Kreutz
RG- Jason Spitz
RT- Gosder Cherilus

DE- Jared Allen
DT- Kevin Williams
DT- Pat Williams

DE- Aaron Kampman
OLB- Lance Briggs
MLB- Brian Urlacher
OLB- Chad Greenway
CB- Charles Woodson
CB- Antoine Winfield
FS- Nick Collins
SS- Kevin Payne



Seems like RT is really week....SS not the greatest either.
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:10 AM    (permalink
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QB- Jay Cutler
RB- Adrian Peterson
WR- Calvin Johnson
WR- Greg Jennings
TE- Greg Olsen
LT- Bryant McKinnie
LG- Steve Hutchinson
C- Olin Kreutz
RG- Jason Spitz
RT- Gosder Cherilus

DE- Jared Allen
DT- Kevin Williams
DT- Pat Williams

DE- Aaron Kampman
OLB- Lance Briggs
MLB- Brian Urlacher
OLB- Chad Greenway
CB- Charles Woodson
CB- Antoine Winfield
FS- Nick Collins
SS- Kevin Payne



Seems like RT is really week....SS not the greatest either.
ha nice we basically have the same team with me having another WR and a different Right Side on the OL
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NFC West

QB Kurt Warner(AZ)
RB Steven Jackson(STL)
FB Mike Karney(STL)
WR Larry Fitzgerald(AZ)
WR Anquan Boldin(AZ)
Slot Donnie Avery (STL)
TE John Carlson(SEA)
LT Walter Jones(SEA)
LG Mike Wahle(SEA)
C Jason Brown(STL)
RG Reggie Wells(AZ)
RT Levi Brown(AZ)

RDE Darryl Tapp (SEA)
NT Gabe Watson(AZ)
DT Clifton Ryan (STL)
LDE Chris Long(STL)
OLB Karlos Dansby(AZ)
MLB Patrick Willis(SF)
OLB Will Witherspoon(STL)
CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie(AZ)
FS O.J Atogwe(STL)
SS Adrian Wilson(AZ)
CB Ron Bartell(STL)
There is a lot wrong with this team but the funniest thing is Levi Brown being on it. I know everyone thinks of him first because he was drafted high but he is awful.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:43 AM    (permalink
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Justin Smith played LE in Cincy's 4-3 before he came to SF. Dockett played 3-4 DE and 4-3 UT in his time in Arizona. So, how can you compare the two? Smith has played the 5-tech for one year, but I assume he went inside to UT when SF would switch to the 4-3 front? I'd go with Dockett over Smith, but Dockett is one of my favorite DT's in the NFL.

Either way, why not just play both Dockett and Smith and play a 1-gap DL? I think Karlos Dansby would be great knifing in with Dockett and Smith jumping gaps and disrupting plays. Plus, Patrick Willis is tha boss.
I admit that it is hard to compare them because they played in different defenses for most of their careers. But Smith was so much better than Dockett last year I don't think it is weird to put him slightly ahead of him.
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There is a lot wrong with this team but the funniest thing is Levi Brown being on it. I know everyone thinks of him first because he was drafted high but he is awful.
I agree he shouldn't be on the team, but he's not awful. If he was awful he wouldn't be starting for the Cardinals. Apparently you just looked at the sacks given up by a player thread, and not paid attention to him actually playing. While he gave up a lot of sacks, his pass protection was still decent at times. He was probably the best run-blocker on the team too.
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I agree he shouldn't be on the team, but he's not awful. If he was awful he wouldn't be starting for the Cardinals. Apparently you just looked at the sacks given up by a player thread, and not paid attention to him actually playing. While he gave up a lot of sacks, his pass protection was still decent at times. He was probably the best run-blocker on the team too.
I don't even bother to look at stats for offensive linemen because they are almost as lol-worthy as CB stats and I don't know how many sacks Brown gave up. I have watched him and he is a bad pass blocker and not a great run blocker. He is like Kwame Harris except a little better of a pass blocker and a little worse of a run blocker.
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QB- Jay Cutler
RB- Adrian Peterson
WR- Calvin Johnson
WR- Greg Jennings
TE- Greg Olsen
LT- Bryant McKinnie
LG- Steve Hutchinson
C- Olin Kreutz
RG- Jason Spitz
RT- Gosder Cherilus

DE- Jared Allen
DT- Kevin Williams
DT- Pat Williams

DE- Aaron Kampman
OLB- Lance Briggs
MLB- Brian Urlacher
OLB- Chad Greenway
CB- Charles Woodson
CB- Antoine Winfield
FS- Nick Collins
SS- Kevin Payne



Seems like RT is really week....SS not the greatest either.
For the most part I would agree with this list only thing I would change is instead of the Crappy starting RT's I would just move Orlando Pace over there.
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Other than RT, you and I have the same exact offense. Interesting that you're running a 4-3 when 3/4 of the divison runs 3-4. It works though. Carr over Cribbs as a returner though? Come on...
I still believe in the 4-3

Wait for this year... Carr will do BIG things!

And lets not forget that Carr had a great year.
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