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Old 02-28-2007, 09:59 AM    (permalink
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I feel bad for the Lions even thought they are in the same division as the Packers. I would actually like to see them do well for a change.

Cards have been a joke ever since i can remember too.
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Oh great football guru, could you provide some examples of the great Cleveland teams in the 90's. I'm waiting.


I think he meant the 80s. Lead by one Martin Schottenheimer, with Bernie Kosar running the offense. These things run in cycles, Tampa Bay was once the joke of the league, along with Cinn., now TB has a Superbowl win, but is falling back again. Cinn seems to be making progress after 12 bad years. SD, AZ, even the Jets and Pats were once total jokes. The older proud Bear's fans properly remember the Abe Gidron, Bobby Douglas days too. The Lions might finally get something done once Millen is canned. To me it all goes back to the owner, if he sucks then the team will too.

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The Lions are bad NOW, but the all time winner is the Saints I do believe. Didn't they just win their first playoff game? Honestly I think Oakland is more embarrassing than the Lions, because they can't even find coaches. Do you know how many people have straight up declined to even interview for the job? On top of that a college Quarterbacks Coach with no head coaching experience declined the job. Add to that Aaron Brooks, Robert Gallery, Randy Moss, and Art Shell and you have the most embarrassing franchise of right now.
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:43 AM    (permalink
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What coaches have the Lions found?
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But no one declines the offer, they simply choose poorly.
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Its not that use young Browns fans dont have respect for our team, the team had no respect for us!!!!

They moved us to Baltimore, then raised the ticket prices every year despite winning less than 6 games a season. They blew all of our picks (Couch
Our stadium has continually sold out over the years, and what did they do? Move our favorite NFL team.

They had no respect.

Thank god Phil Savage is bringing it back.
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Old 02-28-2007, 11:27 AM    (permalink
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the steagles. they sucked major donkey balls.
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If we're talking about all-time, it would be best to do this by all-time winning percentage.

Team Winning Percentage (not including postseason)
1. Texans .300 (maybe unfair because the franchise is still pretty new)
2a. Saints .409
2b. Falcons .409
3. Cardinals .412
4. Bengals .439
5. Jets .455

Lions would be #8 on the list, if anybody was wondering.
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wow that is an interesting fact. where did you get that information?? i want to see where all teams rank, and who is the winningest team of all time.
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wow that is an interesting fact. where did you get that information?? i want to see where all teams rank, and who is the winningest team of all time.
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The Falcons have never in franchise history had consecutive winning seasons. That's not exactly a bright spot to look back on.
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Old 02-28-2007, 12:49 PM    (permalink
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Lions do have a very poor history with only one playoff win and very few playoff attempts in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Lions actually won some championships in the 50s though.

However, in the 90s we were a decent team. Then Millen ruined it.
Lions made the playoffs 6 out 10 years in the 90s. Once in 1999 without Barry Sanders.
Lions were 9-7 in 2000 and just missed the playoffs.
Then Millen took over in 2001 and destroyed the team.
http://www.detroitlions.com/document...cont_id=108650

The Detroit Millens stink.
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Old 02-28-2007, 12:59 PM    (permalink
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Is it in history or now because u cant put the Loins on that list if its history.
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Old 02-28-2007, 01:29 PM    (permalink
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All-timethe saints are the most pathetic. If this was asked last year I think everybody would say the saints because before this year they won 1 playoff game in franchise history. Currently the lions are most embarrassing
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I feel the same way.. sure the Lions are horrible but at least at one point in history they were good. in the 50's matter of fact, there weren't 2 better teams in the world then the Browns and Lions.

Lions had 3 NFL Championships.. browns had 2 or 3. Jim Brown, Bobby Layne, Doak Walker... definitely not the worst ever.

the m,ost embarassing franchise is hands down the cardinals, with the saints being a close second. Saints only edge them out because Jim Mora had them doing pretty well in the 80's/early-mid 90's and they have been doing all right lately.

The Cardinals have sucked from Chicago to St. Louis to Phoenix so they win the award
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The Cardinals, easily. At least Detroit brought the world years of Barry Sanders excellence.
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Of all time, most ebarrassing is detroit, but recently gotta be raiders.
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Current Lions....historically the Bengals of the 1990s.
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If we're talking about all-time, it would be best to do this by all-time winning percentage.

Team Winning Percentage (not including postseason)
1. Texans .300 (maybe unfair because the franchise is still pretty new)
2a. Saints .409
2b. Falcons .409
3. Cardinals .412
4. Bengals .439
5. Jets .455

Lions would be #8 on the list, if anybody was wondering.
Actually the list is this:

Established NFL teams from 1976 forward:
1) Tampa Bay .387
2) New Orleans .409
2) Atlanta .409
3) Arizona .412
4) Cinn. .439
5) NY Jets .455
6) Detroit .470
Regular Season only

Recent Expansion Teams
Carolina .469 since 1995 season
Jax .531 since 1995 season
Houston .300 since 2002 season

Highest Win pct (Reg Season)
1) Miami .593 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).623
2) Chicago .579
3) Dallas .572
4) Oakland .567 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).567
5) Cleve. .563
6) GB .553

Of note the Pittsburgh Steelers have only a .505 winning pct., despite a high level of play for the last 35 years (ie very few losing seasons). Prior to that they were long considered the worst team in the sport for decades.

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detroit lions.
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Actually the list is this:

Established NFL teams from 1976 forward:
1) Tampa Bay .387
2) New Orleans .409
2) Atlanta .409
3) Arizona .412
4) Cinn. .439
5) NY Jets .455
6) Detroit .470
Regular Season only

Recent Expansion Teams
Carolina .469 since 1995 season
Jax .531 since 1995 season
Houston .300 since 2002 season

Highest Win pct (Reg Season)
1) Miami .593 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).623
2) Chicago .579
3) Dallas .572
4) Oakland .567 AFL-NFL Combined Post Merger (since 1970).567
5) Cleve. .563
6) GB .553

Of note the Pittsburgh Steelers have only a .505 winning pct., despite a high level of play for the last 35 years (ie very few losing seasons). Prior to that they were long considered the worst team in the sport for decades.

Ahh, I missed Tampa.
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Lions
Cardinals
Saints
Bengals

All have been consistently bad for a number of years. I would even say the Chargers could be up there.
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The Lions are pretty embarrassing. Drafting 3 WRs in the top 10 3 consecutive years is beyond stupid. Also, the fact they they are keeping Millen is a complete joke. Where does the owner think he will go with Millen? It's just pathetic.
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