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Old 03-01-2007, 01:10 PM    (permalink
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um... is it just me or did Detroit not just get ripped off ?

Tatum Bell didn't even look that good in Denver... Hell, Olandis Gary looked good in Denver. Same with countless other RB's. Tatum Bell is gonna look terrible in Detroit, and George Foster? Big deal!

Dre Bly was the Lions best defensive player... Denver got a GREAT deal.

Detroit now has the worst secondary in the league.. nice job.
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dammit, now the Broncos are gonna draft DeShawn Wynn. I want him on the Giants dammit!!!
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I think it is beneficial for both. Bly as the number 2 corner in Denver is a good fit. We will find out quickly if Bly is overrated because he will get picked on, not Champ Bailey. Bly will get ints though and make some big plays.

Secondly, Detroit saves 2.5 mil in cap space. Bly was as good as gone next year and didn't fit the Cover 2 at all (he had his worst year this past year). Also, Detroit finally gets a decent(not great) Right Tackle compared to the greatness of bust Stockar McDougle,Kelly Butler, Rex Tucker, Barry Stokes and a rookie Jonathan Scott. Foster seems like a mauler and can run block I would assume since he was a starter in Denver. He has some chemistry with Tatum Bell already. Tatum Bell provides KJ insurance, but when KJ comes back we have solid 1-2 punch like most good teams have nowadays.
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Why didn't the Broncos like Tatum Bell?
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Who thinks Denver makes a move up to grab Marshawn Lynch? I do . . .
For some reason, I think they'll get a guy like Antonio Pittman in the second, or something like that.

For some reason, I've been really intrigued at the prospect of Denver drafting Brad Lester (Auburn) next year. He is absolutely perfect for their system.
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Why didn't the Broncos like Tatum Bell?
Because they can stick any one of us back there and get 1000 yards.
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For some reason, I've been really intrigued at the prospect of Denver drafting Brad Lester (Auburn) next year. He is absolutely perfect for their system.
No, Shannahan doesn't draft day 1 RBs. He's getting Wynn in day 2. Downhill runner with speed and power. He's a perfect fit.
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um... is it just me or did Detroit not just get ripped off ?

Tatum Bell didn't even look that good in Denver... Hell, Olandis Gary looked good in Denver. Same with countless other RB's. Tatum Bell is gonna look terrible in Detroit, and George Foster? Big deal!

Dre Bly was the Lions best defensive player... Denver got a GREAT deal.

Detroit now has the worst secondary in the league.. nice job.
Detroit wan't ripped off at all. Bly was gonna get RELEASED today if we didn't trade him. We would have gotten nothing in return for him.

Detroit has so much more flexibility in the draft now. They don't have to take Thomas at 2. They don't need to worry about Kevin Jones' recovery so much.

Great trade on both ends.
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um... is it just me or did Detroit not just get ripped off ?

Tatum Bell didn't even look that good in Denver... Hell, Olandis Gary looked good in Denver. Same with countless other RB's. Tatum Bell is gonna look terrible in Detroit, and George Foster? Big deal!

Dre Bly was the Lions best defensive player... Denver got a GREAT deal.

Detroit now has the worst secondary in the league.. nice job.
I think it's just you, actually. Bly wanted out of Detroit, and Detroit wanted Bly out. He did not have a good season, and his trade value was at its highest right now. Bly wasn't going to be with the team, so they made moves to solidify some things before the draft.

Tatum Bell is a pretty good RB with break-away speed. He showed he can do well in spurts last season. He can also catch passes out of the backfield. Detroit got a RB they can live with until KJones recovers. This removes an immediate draft need for the time being.

George Foster is a good, but not great, RT. He has an affordable contract and can run and pass block well. He solidifies the Lions OLine for the time being.

So, for a player who wanted out and wasn't going to make a huge impact for their team, the Lions filled some holes and also pared some salary off their cap. They can now take the BPA with their pick or move down. I think the Lions got the better end of it. The Broncos did well, but they gave up 2 contributors for 1 better player. I think the Lions are better now than they were before. The Broncos have a few questions going into the draft.
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No, Shannahan doesn't draft day 1 RBs. He's getting Wynn in day 2. Downhill runner with speed and power. He's a perfect fit.
Bell was a day 1 back. As was Portis. Even Clarett was a day one RB.
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um... is it just me or did Detroit not just get ripped off ?

Tatum Bell didn't even look that good in Denver... Hell, Olandis Gary looked good in Denver. Same with countless other RB's. Tatum Bell is gonna look terrible in Detroit, and George Foster? Big deal!

Dre Bly was the Lions best defensive player... Denver got a GREAT deal.

Detroit now has the worst secondary in the league.. nice job.
Lions best defensive player? What part of "doesn't fit the cover 2" didnt you get? Or, was it the "Shaun Rogers" or "Ernie Sims" that you missed?

Both teams benefited greatly. Bell is definately not a bad back, and Foster is an upgrade over many players on our OLine. And... we didn't want Bly.

You can have him. Enjoy the bitching, whining and disrespect towards teammates.
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No, Shannahan doesn't draft day 1 RBs. He's getting Wynn in day 2. Downhill runner with speed and power. He's a perfect fit.
Clinton Portis? Tatum Bell?
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Good points, Tactica. See my post above. We agree.
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I think I could get 1000 in Denver.

This continues the endless loop of 1000 yard RB's from Denver who get traded and do nothing for the rest of their career. End up working at some gas station remembering the days they were 1000 yard rushers.
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Detroit got a draft pick in this trade too? Reportedly a 5th rounder . . .

I missed that! This just keeps getting better.
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Lions best defensive player? What part of "doesn't fit the cover 2" didnt you get? Or, was it the "Shaun Rogers" or "Ernie Sims" that you missed?

Both teams benefited greatly. Bell is definately not a bad back, and Foster is an upgrade over many players on our OLine. And... we didn't want Bly.

You can have him. Enjoy the bitching, whining and disrespect towards teammates.
My bad, I forgot about Shaun Rogers cause he was hurt for so long.

I would ***** and moan if I was in Detroit too.
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Wow. I am surprised. Though, there was a pretty strong trade market for Bly's services. Other teams were bidding. Denver must really like Bly...
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No, Shannahan doesn't draft day 1 RBs. He's getting Wynn in day 2. Downhill runner with speed and power. He's a perfect fit.
No, he's not a perfect fit because, like I've told you before, he sucks. He's a classic example of a guy who looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane.
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First, my bad on the Shannahan not drafting day 1 RBs, I was wrong.

2nd...shoot, how many "Janes" did Shannahan convert to Tarzans already? He can make it work.
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good trade for both teams...i like what detroit has now with a healthy kevin jones and tatum bell splitting the carries, and help on the O line, but i wouldnt throw away the joe thomas pick nor would i the calvin johnson pick, or even quinn....

matt millen isnt the type to always think trade down, he strikes me as the guy who would rather have the superstar....joe thomas would leave make them go from a horrible O line to very good and young, with 2 good young backs, and a nice WR core....

i think kitna could win some games with that O, and i think thats their best pick there, unless arizona wants to jump up maybe they can still grab a defensive player...


and in denvers case its brilliant i think, bell was easily replacable as much as he was hurt, as good as he was, they can find another one just as easy...and they secondary is sick now, bly will be even better opposite bailey, and he didnt have that complement in detroit...i think denver drafts a RB but it might be sooner then we are used to this year
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Lions | Pick received from Denver as part of trade compensation
Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:26:57 -0800

Updating previous reports, Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Denver Broncos also traded an undisclosed draft choice, which is believed to be a fifth-round pick, to the Detroit Lions in exchange for CB Dre' Bly. As reported, the Broncos also parted ways with RB Tatum Bell and OT George Foster.

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First, my bad on the Shannahan not drafting day 1 RBs, I was wrong.

2nd...shoot, how many "Janes" did Shannahan convert to Tarzans already? He can make it work.
Meh...I've just seen enough of the guy to really, really doubt how much pro potential he has.

When you look at him on paper, you think to yourself "damn, this is the player that Maurice Clarett was supposed to be." Then, you watch him play, see that he has no burst and gets brought down by arm tackles, and you get turned off.
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I think Antonio Pittman would be an awesome fit in Denver. He's a one cut back with great speed who has been compared over and over again to none other than former Bronco 2nd round pick, Clinton Portis.
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