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Old 09-07-2009, 04:40 PM    (permalink
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The thing about QBs, is talent can get outweighed by poor development. Yes, there are busts like Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. But, I still feel if Tim Couch, Joey Harrington, or David Carr had a good situation and time to develop, they may have been superb NFL QBs. Stafford has the tools, he has shown some signs of greatness already, but if this hinders him, it may not matter how "good" he is.
How is Joey different than Akili?

Both busts in my eyes. I don't see their environment being significantly different.
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It's not so much "development" as it is perception. if a kid has trouble adjusting to the game speed, and if he's not getting much help, taking some sacks...the media starts calling him a bust after 3 or 4 games and that gets in your head. The difference between playing to win and playing to not screw up is great. Add into that taking a bunch of sacks, getting rattled and playing afraid...you're done.
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I think Derrick Williams will turn into a star with Calvin johnson on the other side of the field. The Lions are slowly growing and having Stafford will do some good. Even if he wins 1 game all year, that's still an improvement over last year :)
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I think Derrick Williams will turn into a star with Calvin johnson on the other side of the field. The Lions are slowly growing and having Stafford will do some good. Even if he wins 1 game all year, that's still an improvement over last year :)
I hope you're right about Williams. He's been pretty bad so far. If he wasn't such a high pick, he probably would've been cut.
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I hope you're right about Williams. He's been pretty bad so far. If he wasn't such a high pick, he probably would've been cut.
Well his entire career he had no-names throwing at him and he still managed to be a 3rd round pick. I'd say he's been pretty bad so far because Stafford/Williams are still adjusted to the NFL game speed. I'm saying now that 3 years from now Williams be a great #2 receiver.
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Well his entire career he had no-names throwing at him and he still managed to be a 3rd round pick. I'd say he's been pretty bad so far because Stafford/Williams are still adjusted to the NFL game speed. I'm saying now that 3 years from now Williams be a great #2 receiver.
He'll certainly get single coverage but he looked slow out of his cuts in the game i saw them play.
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Well his entire career he had no-names throwing at him and he still managed to be a 3rd round pick. I'd say he's been pretty bad so far because Stafford/Williams are still adjusted to the NFL game speed. I'm saying now that 3 years from now Williams be a great #2 receiver.
Hope so. Though it'll be ironic that he's the WR named Williams who pans out for the Lions in the end, haha.
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In fact thinking about it...if Stafford is a baller, the o-line shouldnt make a hell of allot of difference.

Im a Steelers fan, so over the last few years ive seen allot of bad o-line play. Big Ben got sacked nearly 50 times and got hit on something stupid like half of his pass attempts. He still manage to get things done. If stafford can make good decisions and avoid critical errors, he should still make enough big plays to make this move worthwhile.
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Cowboys fan here btw But im still wishing to see the Lions become a force in the NFL after being crappy ever since...well the beginning of time LOL

I think Stafford/C. Johnson/Pettigrew/Williams will light it up. You guys have the players to be great. Hopefully Stafford can become that leader you guys need.
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People said this about Matty Ice last year...so you never know, it might work out ok.

Hes got some good young recievers around him, and i think Kevin Smith is going to be a good everydown back. If he can avoid mistakes, and utilize Megatron and Pettigrew properly, i can see him doing pretty well this year.
Yeah, but the only reason Matty Ice started imo is because Turner was killing it and the offensive line did what NO ONE expected it to do and actually gelled early with young and inexperienced or cast off pieces.

Really, there is no way Matt Ryan should have started based on what Atlanta had last year on paper. Their line and running game came together better than even the most homer of atlanta fans expected.

I can't see detroit doing that. Stafford could be ok, like everyone is cautiously optimistically saying, but I think he'd be better off starting half the year like Eli Manning did after the team finds which areas of their game are most effective.
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Stafford is not going to have a Matt Ryan type rookie year. He will throw a lot of INT's, but he will also make a lot of long completions. The important thing is he gets a lot of work and stays healthy. He's probably always going to be a Brett Favre/Jay Cutler style QB who takes lots of risks, makes lots of big plays and throws his fair share of INT's.
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The decision to start Stafford furthers my belief that Kevin Smith will run for 1400 yards.
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How is Joey different than Akili?

Both busts in my eyes. I don't see their environment being significantly different.
Every play in college for Akili Smith had "right" or "left" associated with it to tell which side of the field he looked at.
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I really dont think its the right decision to start Stafford right off the bat. I didnt buy into his hype last off season, I think he needs some time to sit and learn before he starts in the NFL. If I were the coach Id wait til around mid season to start giving him some time
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Not necessarily true.
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Stafford will finish the year with a 158.4 QB rating after he breaks the QB rating system.
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Bad news for Stafford. Grant and Smith will play.

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Grand or Grant? In better news for Stafford, so will the Saints corners and this guy, Calvin Johnson. Might have heard of him?
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Agreed, whole-heartedly.

He's been terrible so far, no need to throw him to the dogs so early. Did they learn nothing from Harrington (well, I thought Harrington sucked anyway)?
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There have been Quarterbacks who have succeeded when thrown into the fire and inversely. I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I think the good Quarterbacks come through eventually, regardless of circumstance. I don't think David Carr would have been better than Aaron Rodgers had the situations been reversed.
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Grant, you're right. I was typing too fast.

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Agreed, whole-heartedly.

He's been terrible so far, no need to throw him to the dogs so early. Did they learn nothing from Harrington (well, I thought Harrington sucked anyway)?
Terrible is a massive stretch. He hasn't been great but he's been decent enough and Keary Colbert make his stats seem worse than they should.
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