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Old 10-20-2009, 07:17 AM    (permalink
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No, but if you want to know why the defense went from **** to good when Nolan was fired, there isnt a better explanation than Manusky.
I think Nolan was just holding the defense back with his schemes. Now they are playing out to their talent level.
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This is a head coaching candidate thread, not offensive coordinator candidates.

There's no way anyone's offering Mike Martz a head coaching job.
Good comprehensive list, RoP.

And you're right about Martz, he is roundly hated by every front office who's hired him. The steaming pile of crap in St. Louis with a FOR SALE sign on it that was once the Rams franchise still has his fingerprints on it yrs later, & he screwed the pooch with Matt Millen in Detroit with his Martzball offense. And the mess in SF last yr was about 90% his fault, Martzball was a square peg in the round hole, even with his handpicked QB JT O'Sullivan brought with Martz from Detroit & whom they claimed "beat out" Hill & Smith for the starting job. JTOS was a local player (UCal-Davis) & a walking talking ball security liability, the pass rushers around the league all knew it & that he held the ball too long, they chopped his arm, stripped him, etc. for many, many turnovers. The 9ers defense was always defending a short field & gave up more points than ever, the offense was undermined & never had a chance as long as JTOS was at the helm.

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Mike Nolan (DEN DC) - Flamed out miserably in San Francisco, so it might be too soon for him. Doing an amazing job in Denver with limited talent.
Nolan was the rest of it in 08 SF, he's a technician of defenses & personnel, not an administrator, just doesn't have the required type of personality to handle the media pressure during hard times & dealing with prickly owners. He threw former no. 1 overall pick Smith under the bus to save himself when he brought Smith back too soon from his shoulder injury, the media & fans sided with Smith & ate Nolan alive.

His upside is being shown now in Denver with their rebuilt defense. I as impressed watching them vs the Bolts Monday night. Note that for the 1st time in along time they can stop the run AND rush the passer. That Best Asst. Award s/b given to Nolan if awarded at this point. Singletary & Manusky of course deserve credit for rebuilding the 9ers defense & entire team, but Nolan put together the defensive building block with Pro Bowlers, drafting Willis & bringing in Clements via FA.

I've said this on other threads so I'll do it again here: if the Cowboys lose to the Raiders on Thanksgiving Day in front of the entire nation, Jerry Jones will can Phillips. If the Raiders bring their good luck pigeon with them to Dallas & he craps on Jerry's scoreboard, this will be guaranteed.

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Good comprehensive list, RoP.

And you're right about Martz, he is roundly hated by every front office who's hired him. The steaming pile of crap in St. Louis with a FOR SALE sign on it that was once the Rams franchise still has his fingerprints on it yrs later, & he screwed the pooch with Matt Millen in Detroit with his Martzball offense. And the mess in SF last yr was about 90% his fault, Martzball was a square peg in the round hole, even with his handpicked QB JT O'Sullivan brought with Martz from Detroit & whom they claimed "beat out" Hill & Smith for the starting job. JTOS was a local player (UCal-Davis) & a walking talking ball security liability, the pass rushers around the league all knew it & that he held the ball too long, they chopped his arm, stripped him, etc. for many, many turnovers. The 9ers defense was always defending a short field & gave up more points than ever, the offense was undermined & never had a chance as long as JTOS was at the helm.
I don't know how on earth people put what happened in Detroit on Mike Martz. They went from a 6 win team to a 0 win team in the transition from Mike Martz to Jim Coletto. The Lions were the 7th ranked offense and the one of the top 5 teams in passing behind the worst line in the NFL. I don't see how that is screwing the pooch.

As for Martz's 2008 "travesty" lets not forget that in 2007 the 49ers were near dead last in many if not most offensive categories under Martz they went up to like low 20s.

So lets not act like he ever made a team worse by becoming the OC.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:34 AM    (permalink
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I wonder how the Steelers' offense would look if Russ Grimm had been hired? This thread made me think about that.
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My prediction on some coaching changes next year....


Bill Cowher to the Carolina Panthers or Tennessee Titans
Mike Shanahan to the Dallas Cowboys or Houston Texans
John Gruden to the San Diego Chargers
Jeff Fisher to the Jacksonville Jaguars or Chicago Bears ( i could see him take a year or 2 off before taking another job)
Mike Holmgren wont coach
Tony Dungy wont coach


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I could see Cowher going to Carolina, probably not Tennessee though. Carolina is a hometown for Cowher, so that makes sense. I agree that Fisher will take some time off most likely. Holmgren wants to come back from all indicators, and I don't think Gruden would be a fit in San Diego, really. I think Tom Cable should maybe get another year (who else are they going to get?) and if it was me I'd keep around Lovie Smith, John Fox, and maybe Wade Phillips and Norv Turner (if either wins a playoff game.)
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I don't know if Grimm would do a better job as a HC then he is doing as our o-line coach, because I have seen no improvement over his 2+ seasons here
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Kevin Gilbride to the Raiders *sacrifices a virgin to FSM*
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why would the bears change coaches? right now they are doing fairly well even though the offensive line sucks ass
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Lovie Smith took over defense play-calling and it has improved. If you fire him you have to get a new defensive cordinator as well.
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would be a good choice by the chargers imo. Gruden isnt good at building the core of a team but if the core pieces are in place he can build whats around it just fine.
I'd love his motivation but the fact is, the core pieces aren't in place. The D pretty much needs to be rebuilt from the ground up with Merriman's departure/J-Wall's fading/everyone else's uselessness. The O is looking pretty good but pretty soon we'll need a RB and definitely a couple more O-line pieces. Rivers, Gates and Jackson are fine, fine building blocks though.

Gruden and Rivers together could be extremely fun though, I have to admit. I'm still partial to Russ Grimm to kick some ass but Gruden is definitely up there.
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I wish the Skins would hire Russ Grimm and bring him back home to bring toughness to this team and run it the right way, he also would allow Snyder to keep control of the team. We all know thought that we are throwing everything at Holmgren and Chucky.
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I wish the Skins would hire Russ Grimm and bring him back home to bring toughness to this team and run it the right way, he also would allow Snyder to keep control of the team. We all know thought that we are throwing everything at Holmgren and Chucky.
I was thinking about Russ Grimm coming home again but does anyone want a HC who got demoted from OC to OL coach/AHC in Arizona?
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I was thinking about Russ Grimm coming home again but does anyone want a HC who got demoted from OC to OL coach/AHC in Arizona?
I just want someone mean. Someone who won't put up with Shaun Phillips tweeting about going to a fancy steakhouse an hour after last night's game, etc. etc.
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How could I forget Herm "Play to win" Edwards? He has to be a candidate after this season. Took the Jets to the playoffs 3 out of 5 times and is definitely a passionate coach.
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I was thinking about Russ Grimm coming home again but does anyone want a HC who got demoted from OC to OL coach/AHC in Arizona?
he wasn't OC last year, he actually got promoted to Run Game OC, Warner and Whis call the plays but he makes the plan
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Why are you so sure?
I mean, he might be in jail.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:25 PM    (permalink
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That was my thought. He might not even make it through the season before he's convicted of assault. Even if he avoids that, I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.
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Someone will be willing to take the job. They'll just be obscure as ****.
How about Kevin Killdrive, he'll work for al and isn't obscure as ****.
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