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Old 11-09-2009, 01:09 PM    (permalink
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How often has Rodgers come through late in games? How many unnecessary sacks has he taken? His stats don't really accurately show his effectiveness imo. Sure he's a good quarterback, but he's nowhere even close to Peyton Manning's level.
The dude hasn't even started for two full seasons yet... Yea he may not be Payton but give the guy some credit. He doesn't have the monster O-Line that you have... nor the best running back in the league but i could guarantee that if he was put in Favre's shoes now he would be doing just as well if not better.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:41 PM    (permalink
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cassel is exactly what i thought he was. a decent qb who needs a good offensive line.
This comment is so funny. "who needs a good offensive line" that's just gold, especially because you say it as though every QB who isn't peyton or brady doesn't also need a good offensive line, I mean it's not like the packers haven't fallen out of contention in their division because their ol is terrible, or the bears haven't been completely incapable of running the ball because of how shoddy their OL is, or Big Ben hasn't racked up sacks for his career because of a weak OL, or Matt Schaub gotten flattened because his line in houston has been atrocious for much of his tenure.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:57 PM    (permalink
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:25 PM    (permalink
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Bam! johnny on the spot.

BBD our running attack is hopeless unfortunately. Mruckowski can't get a push, Vasquez is a stellar pass protector but hasn't figured out run blocking yet. I'm convinced Jeromey Clary is AJ's way of getting back at Rivers for holding out in 04. Dielman is not getting much push either. All in all a shakeup is needed, beyond just getting Hardwick back. They do get some good pass protection going most of the time though, so the playcalling needs to reflect it. Running this season has literally just been a waste of a down.

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Yeah, I changed it right after the Miami game. I did check the Saints board and nobody else had it. I wanted to make sure before I made it my avatar.
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He is only like 24 games into his career, the foibles with the running game can't be helping either. Either way, what ever it's through, he needs to be better protected, regardless of his issues holding on to the ball. Roethlisberger has admitted openly he holds it too long and his sack number is 20 this year, 17 sacks is a huge difference.
If there was a stat for sacks broken, it wouldn't surprise me if Ben led the league in that by a wide margin. When you're a giant who can move like him, you don't need to get rid of the ball the way a Manning or Brady does. How many times do you see a defender get their hand on Ben only to have him run through it? He's damn great at that. Rodgers, ehh not so much. The Packers OL is awful, but Rodgers does suck at avoiding sacks. He's absolutely phenomenal otherwise, but that's his weakness.
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The dude hasn't even started for two full seasons yet... Yea he may not be Payton but give the guy some credit. He doesn't have the monster O-Line that you have... nor the best running back in the league but i could guarantee that if he was put in Favre's shoes now he would be doing just as well if not better.

First of all when did I bring Favre or the Vikings into this? And I understand your line sucks, but there is no doubt that Rodgers has to take some of the blame for the sacks. You can't hold on to the ball for that long and expect the pressure not to get to you.

And I did give him credit, I said he was a good QB, I simply said he wasn't on Peyton's level which is clearly true. I don't understand how saying that he isn't as good as the best QB in the game is a slight to him at all.
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Old 11-09-2009, 04:46 PM    (permalink
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First of all when did I bring Favre or the Vikings into this? And I understand your line sucks, but there is no doubt that Rodgers has to take some of the blame for the sacks. You can't hold on to the ball for that long and expect the pressure not to get to you.

And I did give him credit, I said he was a good QB, I simply said he wasn't on Peyton's level which is clearly true. I don't understand how saying that he isn't as good as the best QB in the game is a slight to him at all.
Your right about the Favre thing i was just stating that... same with ever other QB that has a line. Maybe i was just a little bitter idk lol.

Well to say he isnt anywhere near Payton's level is an overstatement... i mean hes clearly not as good as Payton right now but hes still young and learning. Payton back in the day wasn't the Payton as we know him... or back then Brett Favre.

He does hold on to the ball a tad to long i give you that but i cant blame him 100% on that. The play calling this year hasn't been all that
great and it seems like were going for the home run play after play
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:08 PM    (permalink
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First of all when did I bring Favre or the Vikings into this? And I understand your line sucks, but there is no doubt that Rodgers has to take some of the blame for the sacks. You can't hold on to the ball for that long and expect the pressure not to get to you.

And I did give him credit, I said he was a good QB, I simply said he wasn't on Peyton's level which is clearly true. I don't understand how saying that he isn't as good as the best QB in the game is a slight to him at all.
Come on now, this is getting ridiculous, the issue on Rogers part is that from time to time, when his receivers don't come open or are covered he has a tendency to hold on to the ball too long instead of looking for a check down or throwing it away and this causes the occasional sack.

That is his issue.

You're making it sound as if he holds on to the ball until he's sacked on every play which just isn't the case. There's more than enough times he's taken short routes, or the underneath stuff as well. It's not as if his holding the ball in some instances is causing the problems on the offense, because that simply isn't the case.
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Come on now, this is getting ridiculous, the issue on Rogers part is that from time to time, when his receivers don't come open or are covered he has a tendency to hold on to the ball too long instead of looking for a check down or throwing it away and this causes the occasional sack.

That is his issue.

You're making it sound as if he holds on to the ball until he's sacked on every play which just isn't the case. There's more than enough times he's taken short routes, or the underneath stuff as well. It's not as if his holding the ball in some instances is causing the problems on the offense, because that simply isn't the case.


I never said he does it on every play, or that he's entirely to blame. But he does do it a fair amount and he needs to learn to get the ball out quicker. The offensive line is more to blame, but some of the blame needs to go to Rodgers. I think even most Packer fans acknowledge this.
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I never said he does it on every play, or that he's entirely to blame. But he does do it a fair amount and he needs to learn to get the ball out quicker. The offensive line is more to blame, but some of the blame needs to go to Rodgers. I think even most Packer fans acknowledge this.
Yea we do but as i stated earlier and Blindside touched on... better play calling would help greatly
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