3 Round - Mock, Mock, Mock, November edition.... - Page 3

BeansDooma · 11-05-2009, 03:26 AM

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66.) Tampa Bay – Jason Fox (T – Miami) How much faith do you have in Donald Penn??

this might have been a legitimate point like a season and a half ago

roscoesdad27 · 11-05-2009, 06:21 AM

1) LOVE the first rounder
2) LOVE the second rounder
3) dont like the third rounder....bowman has no place on a 3-4 team except maybe at mike but we have gooden there...a thumping or ted ilb would be better, someone like m. johnson or d. hightower if you must give us an ilb....i'd go with t.e. a. mcoy there.

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BeansDooma

this might have been a legitimate point like a season and a half ago

Maybe so, I just dont think allowing 8.5 sacks last year and 4 in 7 games(which puts him on pace to give up 9 this year) already this year is such a great thing, my thinking is that he is not improving, despite being solid in the run game, maybe an upgrade wouldnt hurt... At least hurt Freeman... One more stat: last year I believe Penn ranked 27th? in sacks allowed out of 32 players, but Jason Peters gave up like 11.5 (tying him for last) and is considered a pro bowler, then managed to get a gazillion dollars from the eagles, so maybe Penn is that good...

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by scar988

horrible Falcons 3rd rounder. we have no need for another WR, what we need is got Harry Douglas to come back from injury

I love Douglas, was glad to see him getting time in and making plays just like he did at Louisville before the injury... My reasoning really stems from this; How much do you trust Jenkins? Every Falcons game I see he is dropping passes and stalling drives... I personally think Tate is a steal, if he comes out and is still there and adds a trusted dimension to the Falcons offense. White #1, Douglas #2 (hopefully he recovers fully from his injury, but what if he doesnt come back the same from the ACL? which many dont) and Tate #3 gives Ryan 3 legit options... Do you trust Jenkins??
I dont... T-Gonz wont be around much longer either, how is his production going to be replaced. Tate, pro-style offense and production at the college level...

RavenOfProphecy · 11-05-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bruschis4all

NE traded their 3rd rounder to Oakland for D.Burgess...sigh. I guess they're allowed to rip Pats off once in a while too. I think Spiller is a good pick in round 1. Finishes his runs unlike a lot of speed-burners. I like Odrick as a 3-4 de better than Wooten. No way does he last until 3rd round. Watch him against OSU this week and let me know what you think. I can live with Sapp. NE has spent a lot of picks on cb. Still have last year's 2nd rounder(T.Wheatley) backing up Wilhite and D.Butler. If Bodden comes back not much of a need. I think NE takes a TE somewhere in Round 2 if they don't pick up one in free-agency. B.Watson is a UFA at end of year. C.Baker hasn't been as good as originally thought.

Ha. You're getting +rep for that Burgess comment. I agree with Spiller being a good pick even though I support linebackers because the Patriots offense would be so much better if they could get a Darren Sproles/Leon Washington/Chris Johnson type player at running back. I think Wooten is a pretty good defensive end in a 3-4 and a pretty nice value there. Sapp doesn't really seem like the ideal Patriots linebacker (too thin) but at this point I'm just sick of the Patriots passing on every linebacker I want and I'll just take any sort of upgrade at the position.

I think this year after missing out on Jason Taylor and Greg Ellis, wasting a pick on Derrick Burgess, having Shawn Crable go down for the year again, and watching Adalius Thomas rapidly fall off, they understand that they need new outside linebackers. I like Ras-I Dowling. He's from a program I respect, his draft stock is probably a little higher than where you have it, and I think Springs and Bodden might both leave after this season. If those two go, Wilhite and Butler are a nice young combo as long as the pass rush gets improved a little, but there's not much depth after that. Remember why the Patriots drafted Terrence Wheatley in the second round? Yeah, me neither. He looked pretty good against the Colts last year when he finally got to play, but then broke his wrist and didn't look too good in preseason this year.

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TitanHope

That's a lot of early picks on the DL over the past 3 Drafts - 2nd RD DT Jason Jones in '08, 2nd RD DT SenDerrick Marks in '09, 1st RD DT Gerald McCoy in oh-10, and 3rd RD DT Allen Bailey in oh-10.

Landing Bailey in the 3rd is a crime, but he'd be most effective at DT in our scheme. Same with Jason Jones. One of them would have to kick out to DE predominantly, but they have the athleticism to do it.

An option other than Bailey would be Mallet, to possibly develop behind Vince Young. He has all the tools to be a QB in the NFL, and would be a nice insurance policy for the QB situation.

Thank you for the positive, well informed, and intelligent feedback!! I appreciate it. A little reasoning; Bailey falling made it too hard for the Titans to go in another direction, and I have him playing DE in Tennessee, replacing Vander Boush, who I think is starting to show his age, and Baileys athleticism is the reason I too thought he could do it, and it made sense to me. I do see what you are saying about Mallatt, and that would clearly make sense as well, especially at a third round price tag... Jones and McCoy would be animals in the middle, and Bailey would give them 3 high energy talents on the d-line that could not only disrupt the run game but get after the qb. It is a lot of early round investments but the reward in the long run, and for the next 5-10 years could be well worth it! Thank you again, added rep...

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SINCE1978

Dunlap was my summer pick but after watching almost every Florida game he takes too many plays off for my liking ... would not surprise me if he gets the phat check and loafs. Love Lindley @ 2 & Odrick @ 3, wow!
As for a replacement for Dunlap ... with Suh, McCoy, Okung & Berry gone already I would take Greg Hardy, Taylor Mays or Brian Bulaga.
Way to take ALL D, very smart ...

That Dunlap analysis is pretty much spot on, and a developing thought across the board on him, and as the process goes along I would not be surprised to see him slip down the board then back up after he work out warriors the crap out of the combine... Hardy would be a good replacement, glad you liked the other picks, Odrick will more than likely not be there in the third, but like I say only 32 players a round can be picked, so you never know, I really think he will be a beast! I think all D for the lions is the way to go, I appreciate the feed back, and will more than likely replace the Dunlap pick in the next mock, mock, mock...

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dex

Move Detroit lions to #2 overall

#2 - G. McCoy
#34 - T. Lindley
#66 - M. Iupati

The lions will stay where they are until they rightly move up the board, a little patience brother, I am sure they will get there eventually...

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thebow305

That Miami draft is pretty amazing. The Damian Williams pick in the 2nd and the Chad Jones pick in the 3rd would be ridiculous, but Terrence Cody would make that draft PERFECT! Nice job man!

On a personal note, I hate Jones to the phins! But it would be great for them, and I really wanted to put Cody there in the first, but for now I am sticking with my feelings in regards to Parcel's :-( Its not because I think Kindle is that great, but it is kind of a feeling pick... I agree though, if I were a phins fan, Cody, Williams and Jones would make a great weekend in the florida sun!! As a bills fan I would be happy with that draft, and the bills are set at safety...

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by foozball

I wonder why nobody gives Detroit a LT in the 1st? Every mock it's a DT or DE. Someone needs to protect Stafford and block for KSmith. Their running game has been terrible and they need to protect their #1 pick.

I didnt because they have a decent offensive line, although they could use an upgrade at LT, you know what I will look into the offensive line, maybe it is worse than I thought... I think partially with the Lions is that they have so many holes its tough to fill in all of them in one or two years. I think they really biffed last year in taking pettigrew over oher... Thanks for the input and rational thought, I will certainly take it into consideration!! Nice job :-)
FYI: I have seen a couple of mocks with the Lions taking Okung in the first... My thinking was along the lines that the Lions have taken offense early and often in the last several drafts, and building the defense (schwartz) is the direction they will head in this year...

scar988 · 11-05-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Poz51

I love Douglas, was glad to see him getting time in and making plays just like he did at Louisville before the injury... My reasoning really stems from this; How much do you trust Jenkins? Every Falcons game I see he is dropping passes and stalling drives... I personally think Tate is a steal, if he comes out and is still there and adds a trusted dimension to the Falcons offense. White #1, Douglas #2 (hopefully he recovers fully from his injury, but what if he doesnt come back the same from the ACL? which many dont) and Tate #3 gives Ryan 3 legit options... Do you trust Jenkins??
I dont... T-Gonz wont be around much longer either, how is his production going to be replaced. Tate, pro-style offense and production at the college level...

I trust Jenkins as a #3 or in the role he was last year. AKA the same role he would be in this year... so yeah. we're not taking a WR. and it's not how much I trust Jenkins. it's how much the COACHES trust Jenkins. meaning that he won;t be going anywhere, nor will we be drafting a WR.

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

Im sold on it. Adding a guy like Shipley actually lessens our need for a TE.
I like bolstering the OL.

I think that would be an excellent draft for the Bengals, Jones is a bit of a reach in my opinion, but not much, and Tennant might not be there, but Shipley would definetly help out under coverage. Glad you liked it, and appreciate the positive feed back!

p.s. Jarius Byrd will win DROY

Poz51 · 11-05-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scar988

I trust Jenkins as a #3 or in the role he was last year. AKA the same role he would be in this year... so yeah. we're not taking a WR. and it's not how much I trust Jenkins. it's how much the COACHES trust Jenkins. meaning that he won;t be going anywhere, nor will we be drafting a WR.

Fair enough... But this year he's the #2?? Is Douglas going to come back frome the knee injury 100%?? How many more drops before the coaches (great point by the way) stop trusting him?? However he did sign a 4 year contract extension in 2008, and that is probably a reason "he won;t be going anywhere", additionally... Overall I would agree that more than likely they will not be taking a wide out, so I will take that under advisement! Thank you for the opinion, your views, I appreciate it

p.s. I this Chris from the west sports report?

Seamus2602 · 11-05-2009, 01:18 PM

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31.) Indianapolis – Patrick Robinson (CB – Florida State) Upcoming free agency could deplete the Colts secondary, and Robinson falls right into the Colts lap, a talent Bill Polian can not pass up.

63.) Indianapolis – Darryl Washington (LB – T.C.U.) Playmaker at OLB for the Colts.

95.) Indianapolis –Major Wright (S-Florida) Insurance in case Bethea leaves in free agency.

Seriously? Major Wright is the only redemming quality in this Colts draft. Our starting Cornerbacks were signed to 5 and 4 year deals each this offseason, while our Dime Corner is signed to 2011 and has been quite impressive. Our Nickle corner is a Free Agent and our 5th and 6th placed Corners are Free Agents so depth is an issue but not one sorted in the 1st Round.

Linebacker is a potential place for an upgrade, especially as Tyjuan Hagler, our starting SAM, is both IR'd and a Free Agent, Gary Brackett, our starting MIKE, is a Free Agent and Clint Session, our starting WILL, has been less impressive this season. But Washington? He is one of the most overrated players currently in this draft.

So, you have two, in my opinion, major reaches there. One of them in a position that we really don't need to reach for.

Poz51 · 11-06-2009, 11:01 AM

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Seriously? Major Wright is the only redemming quality in this Colts draft. Our starting Cornerbacks were signed to 5 and 4 year deals each this offseason, while our Dime Corner is signed to 2011 and has been quite impressive. Our Nickle corner is a Free Agent and our 5th and 6th placed Corners are Free Agents so depth is an issue but not one sorted in the 1st Round.

Linebacker is a potential place for an upgrade, especially as Tyjuan Hagler, our starting SAM, is both IR'd and a Free Agent, Gary Brackett, our starting MIKE, is a Free Agent and Clint Session, our starting WILL, has been less impressive this season. But Washington? He is one of the most overrated players currently in this draft.

So, you have two, in my opinion, major reaches there. One of them in a position that we really don't need to reach for.

I know Hayden just signed a 5 year deal, but did Jackson get the 4 year deal before he tore up his knee (arent knee's becoming a problem for him?)? If he did I did not hear about it, as I would have approached it a little differently. I was under the impression that Jackson, Rushing, and Jennings were all free agents at the end of this year... As for linebacker, that was the other direction I was thinking about with the first pick, I saw Washington in the Clemson game and he was an absolute beast and the best player on the field, and the major reason they won that game, saw parts of the Air Force game, and again he was all over the field making plays... I heard he was solid again against BYU, had a nice pick, making a play in coverage... Currently I have him as one of the more underated players in the draft, and a big reason along with Jerry Hughes that TCU I believe that of this week has the number one defense in the country... Why do you think he is over rated, is it the production or not having seen him play?

Poz51 · 11-06-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by roscoesdad27

3) dont like the third rounder....bowman has no place on a 3-4 team except maybe at mike but we have gooden there...a thumping or ted ilb would be better, someone like m. johnson or d. hightower if you must give us an ilb....i'd go with t.e. a. mcoy there.

Glad you liked the update more than the first edition...
I was thinking Bowman could play any spot, particularly outside backer opposite Suggs, although I do like Kruger as well, from what I have seen of Bowman I could see him playing 3-4 rush, or coverage, but not a first down type guy, unless he adds about 20 pounds... I understand the thumper idea in the middle, and can see your thought about McCoy at t.e. Thanks for the input!!

Poz51 · 11-06-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bruschis4all

NE traded their 3rd rounder to Oakland for D.Burgess...sigh. I guess they're allowed to rip Pats off once in a while too. I think Spiller is a good pick in round 1. Finishes his runs unlike a lot of speed-burners. I like Odrick as a 3-4 de better than Wooten. No way does he last until 3rd round. Watch him against OSU this week and let me know what you think. I can live with Sapp. NE has spent a lot of picks on cb. Still have last year's 2nd rounder(T.Wheatley) backing up Wilhite and D.Butler. If Bodden comes back not much of a need. I think NE takes a TE somewhere in Round 2 if they don't pick up one in free-agency. B.Watson is a UFA at end of year. C.Baker hasn't been as good as originally thought.

I knew I was missing something in the second or third, and it turned out both. Thank you for the reminder, I appreciate it!! It will be fixed in the next edition. As for Odrick, I agree, just the way this mock fell, many people do not see his value, but he reminds me alot of Kevin Williams, I had not considered him at DE for the Pats, but will take that thought into account. One thing to remember about him is the fight and disorderly conduct charge from the past spring, which I think will lower his stock a little. I will try to catch the game vs. the buckeye's this weekend, although I am already high on him... I hear you on the corners (which I think are a little undersized outside of Bodden and Springs), and Baker... I will certainly take it all into consideration and appreciate the intelligent response

marshallb · 11-06-2009, 01:43 PM

Definitely would be a high risk draft for the Vikes. Snead isn't a first rounder at this point, or even close, but he is very talented. CB is a need, but to me S, DE, and DT are bigger needs, but I do like Ghee. DE is a need, especially if Edwards leaves, and Cunningham is ok. This draft would have a very gigh bust potential, so it's meh.

Seamus2602 · 11-07-2009, 09:27 AM

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I know Hayden just signed a 5 year deal, but did Jackson get the 4 year deal before he tore up his knee (arent knee's becoming a problem for him?)? If he did I did not hear about it, as I would have approached it a little differently.

I wasn't talking about Marlin Jackson. Jackson lost the starting position to Jerraud Powers in the Offseason and has been the Nickle Corner all year. You don't draft a Nickle Corner in the 1st Round. Jackson is a Free Agent and given that this is his 2nd ACL tear in as many seasons I would imagine his days as a Colt are numbered.

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I was under the impression that Jackson, Rushing, and Jennings were all free agents at the end of this year

Our starting Nickle and 5th and 6th Cornerbacks. As I said depth is an issue but not one to be addressed as early as you have addressed it.

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Currently I have him as one of the more underated players in the draft, and a big reason along with Jerry Hughes that TCU I believe that of this week has the number one defense in the country... Why do you think he is over rated, is it the production or not having seen him play?

I've seen clips, bits and pieces (I can't really get access to all the games over here) and I think he is a good player. I also think that Mr Irrelevant looks like a good player in College. Washington overpursues a lot which is something that Larry Coyer has tried to cut out of the Indy game. He'll either get the guy at scrimmage or in the backfield or he'll miss him completely and the Back will be gone. I do think he is a really good player and will go relatively early but I don't see him as a 2nd Rounder and wouldn't like the idea of Indy giving up a 2nd Round pick for him. I currently have him as an late 3rd, early 4th type player.

Hermstheman83 · 11-11-2009, 05:47 PM

Okung
Lafell
Iupapti
TE

Jeez man, with Kc's mock you'd think we'd have no hole on the defensive side of the ball..

Sniper · 11-11-2009, 06:14 PM

- No to a TE in the first. Brent Celek is already ******* bitches up, and Cornelius "I'm a Boss" Ingram returns next year. Brandon Graham there, kthx.

- With picking Graham, we wouldn't need Morgan. Ras-I Dowling probably wouldn't be too bad there.

- I guess Gerhart works. I'd rather get a LB, though.

Poz51 · 11-18-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermstheman83

Okung
Lafell
Iupapti
TE

Jeez man, with Kc's mock you'd think we'd have no hole on the defensive side of the ball..

Kansas City is 2-7, slated to currently draft 5th... They have holes all over the place!! The offense is lacking an offensive line (at least half of one), playmakers outside of Bowe (nice 4 game suspension), Charles is a good back, but an upgrade would not hurt, I understand chiefs fans like Ryan at TE, but he is tearing it up with 14 catches for 135 yards and 2 touchdowns through 9 games... In the last two drafts they have addressed the defense with 4 of their top five picks, they have an offensive minded head coach, and need to build around Cassel. Yes they have holes in the secondary at safety, and linebacker as well, but I am only one man mocking, and only had four picks to address as many needs as I could... This mock gives Cassel stability infront of him, weapons to use, and the team an identity on offense, then again it is also just a mock...

Poz51 · 11-18-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

- No to a TE in the first. Brent Celek is already ******* bitches up, and Cornelius "I'm a Boss" Ingram returns next year. Brandon Graham there, kthx.

- With picking Graham, we wouldn't need Morgan. Ras-I Dowling probably wouldn't be too bad there.

- I guess Gerhart works. I'd rather get a LB, though.

I will take it all into consideration thank you... I am thinking DE first round now, and shuffling things around, although I thought Gerhart was a steal in the third and would complitment McCoy, and Westbrook perfectly, everytime I watch him I think two things: west coast offense, and eagles...