Best WR in the NFC East? - Page 2

vikes_28 · 11-24-2009, 02:32 AM

Whoever put Steve Smith, you need to speak up now.

Sniper · 11-24-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by vikes_29

Whoever put Steve Smith, you need to speak up now.

No one put Steve Smith. Rufus McDaniel picked Mario Manningham.

Go_Eagles77 · 11-24-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

My thoughts exactly. Right now it's Jackson without a doubt but in a year or two I can see both Maclin and Nicks being elite/top 10 type wide receivers in the league.

I don't mean to sound like a homer, but I think DeSean Jackson will be in that group, if he's not already.

D-Unit · 11-24-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosebud

Does Austin or does he not draw coverages more than any WR on your team? Whether you call him a one or not if defenses are treating him as such he is one.

So teams don't determine who their #1 receivers are anymore. Opposing defenses do. Ok. So each week depending on who the defense wants to defend more, that guy is the #1 receiver. Forget who the team thinks is their #1 receiver... that's hogwash. K gotcha. Nevermind that a guy gets paid like a #1, gets targeted like a #1 and is the first read.

D-Unit · 11-24-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Go_Eagles77

I don't mean to sound like a homer, but I think DeSean Jackson will be in that group, if he's not already.

You mean you don't want to sound like a homer even if you think like one. K.

The whole basis of this conversation is messed up.

There are different kinds of receivers. Ones that are better running X routes, ones that are better running Z routes and ones that are better running Y routes. Desean is a better Y receiver than Fitzgerald ever will be. Does that mean he's a better receiver? No. Fitz can do things that Desean can't at the X spot. Who's who in the top 10 blah blah blah... it's all hogwash. You're practically comparing apples to oranges.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-24-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

So teams don't determine who their #1 receivers are anymore. Opposing defenses do. Ok. So each week depending on who the defense wants to defend more, that guy is the #1 receiver. Forget who the team thinks is their #1 receiver... that's hogwash. K gotcha. Nevermind that a guy gets paid like a #1, gets targeted like a #1 and is the first read.

Salary means absolutely nothing when saying a WR is a #1. Your FO screwed up on the Williams deal. Also, Miles Austin has more targets than Roy Williams.

vikes_28 · 11-24-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

No one put Steve Smith. Rufus McDaniel picked Mario Manningham.

I must have taken some drugs last night or something. Cause I could have sworn I saw 1 vote for Steve Smith. I was honestly torn between Miles Austin and Desean Jackson. Austin makes plays when it matters, which is ok, and Jackson has that big play ability. I voted Jackson.

D-Unit · 11-24-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Salary means absolutely nothing when saying a WR is a #1. Your FO screwed up on the Williams deal. Also, Miles Austin has more targets than Roy Williams.

False. At the very least it means the team is going to give that guy the #1 role, and Roy hasn't been demoted yet. Austin may have more targets in the last 3 games combined, but that's slightly misleading as he had less in the Philly win, more in the GB loss and more in the WAS win, but most of it came on the final drive and isn't a true reflection on the whole game.

I must have missed the announcement because everyone seems to think Miles Austin is now Dallas' #1 receiver. Trust me... a lot of Dallas fans wish that were true.

vikes_28 · 11-24-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

So teams don't determine who their #1 receivers are anymore. Opposing defenses do. Ok. So each week depending on who the defense wants to defend more, that guy is the #1 receiver. Forget who the team thinks is their #1 receiver... that's hogwash. K gotcha. Nevermind that a guy gets paid like a #1, gets targeted like a #1 and is the first read.

So are you saying that Bernard Berrian is the best WR on the Vikings?

Giantsfan1080 · 11-24-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

False. At the very least it means the team is going to give that guy the #1 role, and Roy hasn't been demoted yet. Austin may have more targets in the last 3 games combined, but that's slightly misleading as he had less in the Philly win, more in the GB loss and more in the WAS win, but most of it came on the final drive and isn't a true reflection on the whole game.

I must have missed the announcement because everyone seems to think Miles Austin is now Dallas' #1 receiver. Trust me... a lot of Dallas fans wish that were true.

I understand what you're saying. I thought you meant #1 WR as in best WR not as you're #1 guy in the playbook. I need to read a little better sometimes.

Jughead10 · 11-24-2009, 02:01 PM

Jackson is the best but he still needs more polishing. His big play ability is amazing, but sometimes I wonder how long he can go making these 50+ TDs. No one in the NFL has ever been able to keep that up more than a few years.

D-Unit · 11-24-2009, 02:08 PM

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So are you saying that Bernard Berrian is the best WR on the Vikings?

Bernard Berrian is a mistake. That's all I know.

the dude · 11-24-2009, 02:39 PM

I actually like Steve Smith better than Jackson. Smith might never be a true #1, but im not sure jackson will either. Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love jacksons playmaking abilities, but smith is more well-rounded and their production is the same in terms of tds and yards

*leans back and waits to get flamed*

Jughead10 · 11-24-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the dude

I actually like Steve Smith better than Jackson. Smith might never be a true #1, but im not sure jackson will either. Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love jacksons playmaking abilities, but smith is more well-rounded and their production is the same in terms of tds and yards

*leans back and waits to get flamed*

Agreed. Smith will be a player in this league longer then Jackson because of his route running skills, and he's just a more of a polished WR.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-24-2009, 02:56 PM

Like I said in my original post it depends on what you're looking for. Smith gets ignored because he's so consistent. He's there when you need him to make a play. He doesn't have the big play ability but that's not what we need from him.

Jughead10 · 11-24-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Like I said in my original post it depends on what you're looking for. Smith gets ignored because he's so consistent. He's there when you need him to make a play. He doesn't have the big play ability but that's not what we need from him.

He has more big play ability than I originally thought though. He gets behind the defense a decent amount.

D-Unit · 11-24-2009, 02:59 PM

I'd take Santana Moss over Steve Smith if we're talking today. Moss can do everything that Smith does, but can also go deep better. Poor guy just doesn't have a QB.

D-Unit · 11-24-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Like I said in my original post it depends on what you're looking for. Smith gets ignored because he's so consistent. He's there when you need him to make a play. He doesn't have the big play ability but that's not what we need from him.

He's probably the best slot receiver in the division.

Jughead10 · 11-24-2009, 03:03 PM

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He's probably the best slot receiver in the division.

He can play every WR position. That's part of what makes him such a good player. I was wrong about Steve Smith, and I'm glad I was.

BleedBurgundy96 · 11-24-2009, 03:07 PM

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I'd take Santana Moss over Steve Smith if we're talking today. Moss can do everything that Smith does, but can also go deep better. Poor guy just doesn't have a QB.

Or a Offensive Line.

He isnt in the poll but in a year or two Hakeem Nicks will be the best WR in the NFC East.

D-Unit · 11-24-2009, 03:18 PM

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He can play every WR position. That's part of what makes him such a good player. I was wrong about Steve Smith, and I'm glad I was.

Patrick Crayton can play every WR position. Doesn't mean he's all that.

Jughead10 · 11-24-2009, 03:22 PM

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Patrick Crayton can play every WR position. Doesn't mean he's all that.

Of course not. Smith can play every WR positions and play it very well. He's not just a slot receiver. He's hardly played the slot at all this year. Basically only when Nicks gets on the field.

Forenci · 11-24-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper

No one put Steve Smith. Rufus McDaniel picked Mario Manningham.

Come on Sniper. You know deep down you wanted to choose Manningham. Sure Jackson is better, but he didn't play at Michigan!

Thumper · 11-24-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy96

Or a Offensive Line.

He isnt in the poll but in a year or two Hakeem Nicks will be the best WR in the NFC East.

Jeremy Maclin and DeSean Jackson disagree, Jackson is a fantastic deep threat and is probably the best in the NFL but he is still developing his overall game and Jeremy Maclin is getting better by the game and he is becoming a trusted target for McNabb. Nicks is good, but it will not be clear cut like you think.

Go_Eagles77 · 11-24-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Agreed. Smith will be a player in this league longer then Jackson because of his route running skills, and he's just a more of a polished WR.

DeSean Jackson is a great route runner as well. Sure he has great speed but so does Ted Ginn, Troy Williamson, DHB, etc. If you can't run routes and catch the ball, you're not gonna do much in the NFL. He can and does run all the routes. People look at the TDs he has and assume all he does is run go routes or something. He gets catches all over the field and will continue to, even when he starts to lose his speed, which won't be for a long time anyway.