Best WR in the NFC East? - Page 5

herniateddisc · 11-27-2009, 07:03 AM

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And the Marty Mornhinweg/Andy Reid combo is just so much better.

Whoo, baby, Miles Austin toasted the Raiders. Championship.

1) Than Jason Garrett? Yes. But as I tried to illuminate, the WCO system lends itself quite nicely to Miles Austin's skills set even moreso than DeSean.

2) Same Raider that beat the Eagles and shut the "best" WR in the NFC DeSean? ROTFLMAO.

Sadly, I love both guys but Miles is a 5-10 catches per game type player and DeSean is 3-5. Each explosive.

Sniper · 11-27-2009, 07:13 AM

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2) Same Raider that beat the Eagles and shut the "best" WR in the NFC DeSean?

Never in my life have I heard of a guy who got 94 yards be referred to as "shut down". Consider that the guys who are allegedly so much better than Garrett had to use four backup OL and thought that throwing 46 times with a backup OL was a good idea. Yep, really "shut down".

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ROTFLMAO.

Really? You're rolling on the floor, laughing your ass off? I can't help but recommend finding better things to do in life if a debate entertains you so much.

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Sadly, I love both guys but Miles is a 5-10 catches per game type player and DeSean is 3-5. Each explosive.

So can you explain to me why DeSean has a higher catch per game average?

ROTFLMAO ROFLCOPTER LOLZ OMG

herniateddisc · 11-27-2009, 07:27 AM

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Never in my life have I heard of a guy who got 94 yards be referred to as "shut down". Consider that the guys who are allegedly so much better than Garrett had to use four backup OL and thought that throwing 46 times with a backup OL was a good idea. Yep, really "shut down".

9 Points. 2 of 14 on Third Down. 210 Passing Yards. 22 of 46 accuracy.

12 Targets
1 Catch for 51 yards.
5 Catches for 43.
0 TDs

I call that shut down given the 12 Targets and 46 pass attempts.

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So can you explain to me why DeSean has a higher catch per game average?

Um, the moron Cowboy coaches REFUSE to run the Offense through their best WR b/c Jerrah spent a boat load on Roy WIlliams?

But here we go IN SPITE OF THE COACHES STUPIDITY ... ....

#1 YPC for a WR
#1 Plays over 20 Yards
#2 in TDs
#1 YAC per Receptions
#1 TDs per Catch
#1 1st Down per Catch

... imagine if he had McNabb throwing to him in a a WCO? WOW!

Sniper · 11-27-2009, 07:36 AM

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9 Points.

Clearly all Jackson's fault.

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Um, the moron Cowboy coaches REFUSE to run the Offense through their best WR b/c Jerrah spent a boat load on Roy WIlliams?

46 passes, 14 runs against the Raiders with a backup OL when Westbrook was averaging over 8 yards per carry. I win.

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#1 YPC for a WR
#1 Plays over 20 Yards
#2 in TDs
#1 YAC per Receptions
#1 TDs per Catch
#1 1st Down per Catch

Against a bunch of nobodies. Congrats, we're really impressed with his 250 yards against the 28th-ranked pass defense.

Sniper · 11-27-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by herniateddisc

9 Points. 2 of 14 on Third Down. 210 Passing Yards. 22 of 46 accuracy.

Jackson's the QB now?

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12 Targets
1 Catch for 51 yards.
5 Catches for 43.
0 TDs

I call that shut down given the 12 Targets and 46 pass attempts.

Great. Now go find me the numbers which indicate how bad McNabb was that day. Find me the numbers for how many times McNabb got hit that day and was given no time to throw because he had four backup OL in.

Sniper · 11-27-2009, 07:42 AM

I don't even mind Austin. Matter of fact, I like him. However, Bob's anti-Jackson arguments are just ******* ********. Yeah, great, the Eagles only scored 9 points against the Raiders. Move on. Did Jason Witten suddenly become a worse player after the 44-6 anal raping last year? No. This argument's headed nowhere, and bienvenidos to my ignore list.

herniateddisc · 11-27-2009, 08:14 AM

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.... Matter of fact, I like him. However, Bob's anti-Jackson arguments are just ******* ********. ........

Say what .......

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1) .... I love both guys but Miles is a 5-10 catches per game type player and DeSean is 3-5. Each explosive.

Give it a whirl ...... might help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension

This thread is about who the BEST NFC East WR ....... and in your mind I somehow am Anti-Jackson in spite of the fact I love him as a WR. But I think Miles is the best RIGHT NOW.

herniateddisc · 11-27-2009, 08:31 AM

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Jackson's the QB now?

Great. Now go find me the numbers which indicate how bad McNabb was that day. Find me the numbers for how many times McNabb got hit that day and was given no time to throw because he had four backup OL in.

So when Jackson has a good day it validates he is the best WR in the NFC East. When he doesn't, McNabb stinks.

So when Austin has a good day it is because he played inferior competition. When he has a bad day, it is because he just not that good in comparison to Jackson.

GOT IT. Precious pearls of wisdom.

Fact 80% of the folks think he is the best in the NFC says alot to me about how folks evaluate players. Reminds me of Pro Bowl voting ... and I love Jackson plus I was wrong about him coming out of college.

etk · 11-28-2009, 03:00 PM

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Fact 80% of the folks think he is the best in the NFC says alot to me about how folks evaluate players. Reminds me of Pro Bowl voting ... and I love Jackson plus I was wrong about him coming out of college.

I agree. Same boat.

Supporting Caste · 12-03-2009, 02:47 PM

Right now? Miles Austin. Not even close.

I expect Hakeem Nicks to take the title in the near future, however.

Go_Eagles77 · 12-03-2009, 03:51 PM

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Right now? Miles Austin. Not even close.

Care to explain?

D-Unit · 12-03-2009, 06:12 PM

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Care to explain?

Well... right now Miles Austin is proving it all on the field. Can his performance speak for himself? Outside of a long history backing, what more does he need to prove?

Supporting Caste · 12-03-2009, 06:54 PM

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Care to explain?

743 yards and 7 touchdowns in six starts.

Oh hey, DeSean Jackson has done almost that well in 11 starts.

Anyway, Jackson hasn't really done anything to separate himself from Santana Moss or Steve Smith, let alone Austin.

Dude, seriously. Come on.

Thumper · 12-03-2009, 07:51 PM

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743 yards and 7 touchdowns in six starts.

Oh hey, DeSean Jackson has done almost that well in 11 starts.

Anyway, Jackson hasn't really done anything to separate himself from Santana Moss or Steve Smith, let alone Austin.

Dude, seriously. Come on.

Great, stats do not tell the entire story. Take a deeper look into those would you? If you take out his mind blowing stats from the Kansas City and Atlanta games his numbers come back to earth. All of a sudden in his other 5 atarts he has 322 yards, 3 touchdowns and 21 catches. Lets face it, his masterful performances against KC and ATL are not what you can expect consistently from him, he beat up on two of the worst secondaries in the NFL. Also I don't know if you noticed but the #1 CB still stays on Roy Williams, Miles Austin is beating Chris Johnson, Brandon Carr and Brent Grimes.

DeSean Jackson on the other hand has been very consistent week in and week out, suggesting that you can expect about 70-100 yards and a TD a week. Not to mention DeSean Jackson can gain separation no matter who you put on him. Also DeSean Jackson has 1,222 all purpose yards this season to go along with 8 total touchdowns. His numbers have all come while being defended by premier corners like Corey Webster, Scrabble, Chris Tillman, Brandon Flowers and Jabari Greer clearly a more accomplished list of players than who Miles Austin is abusing.

C'mon man.

Jughead10 · 12-03-2009, 07:55 PM

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Great, stats do not tell the entire story. Take a deeper look into those would you? If you take out his mind blowing stats from the Kansas City and Atlanta games his numbers come back to earth. All of a sudden in his other 5 atarts he has 322 yards, 3 touchdowns and 21 catches. Lets face it, his masterful performances against KC and ATL are not what you can expect consistently from him, he beat up on two of the worst secondaries in the NFL. Also I don't know if you noticed but the #1 CB still stays on Roy Williams, Miles Austin is beating Chris Johnson, Brandon Carr and Brent Grimes.

DeSean Jackson on the other hand has been very consistent week in and week out, suggesting that you can expect about 70-100 yards and a TD a week. Not to mention DeSean Jackson can gain separation no matter who you put on him. Also DeSean Jackson has 1,222 all purpose yards this season to go along with 8 total touchdowns. His numbers have all come while being defended by premier corners like Corey Webster, Scrabble, Chris Tillman, Brandon Flowers and Jabari Greer clearly a more accomplished list of players than who Miles Austin is abusing.

C'mon man.

Eh the all purpose yards is weak. Just use receiving and you can throw in rushing if you want. Most of these guys don't return kicks because it is too much of a risk.

Sniper · 12-03-2009, 07:59 PM

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Eh the all purpose yards is weak.

Really? Field position is weak? The highest punt return average is weak? Mmmmmk. I'll take your word for it. Do punt return yards count less than receiving yards? What about punt return TDs vs. receiving/rushing TDs?

Jughead10 · 12-03-2009, 08:06 PM

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Really? Field position is weak? The highest punt return average is weak? Mmmmmk. I'll take your word for it. Do punt return yards count less than receiving yards? What about punt return TDs vs. receiving/rushing TDs?

But none of the other guys return kicks. Some because their skill sets don't make them good players for the job and others because their teams won't risk putting such an important piece to their offense on special teams and risk injury. One of the greatst return men in a while in Devin Hester, doesn't even kicks nearly as much anymore since he's become a starting WR. Miles Austin used to be a pretty good player on kick off returns a year or so ago.

Sniper · 12-04-2009, 09:57 AM

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But none of the other guys return kicks. Some because their skill sets don't make them good players for the job and others because their teams won't risk putting such an important piece to their offense on special teams and risk injury. One of the greatst return men in a while in Devin Hester, doesn't even kicks nearly as much anymore since he's become a starting WR. Miles Austin used to be a pretty good player on kick off returns a year or so ago.

So wouldn't the ability to return punts enhance Jackson's value, all-around game and dangerousness? For me, a 20-yard reception is the same as a 20-yard punt return, but maybe I'm wrong.

Jughead10 · 12-04-2009, 03:29 PM

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So wouldn't the ability to return punts enhance Jackson's value, all-around game and dangerousness? For me, a 20-yard reception is the same as a 20-yard punt return, but maybe I'm wrong.

Sure it does. But that could be part of Miles Austin's game too. However his coaches now value him too much to risk putting him out there. It's extremely nice to have that ability but I don't think it's fair to compare all purpose yards because a different coach values his player too much to put him on special teams.

D-Unit · 12-04-2009, 03:58 PM

I likey, likey...

X - Miles Austin
Y - Desean Jackson
Z - Steve Smith

Supporting Caste · 12-06-2009, 12:46 AM

Haha, dude, you're saying that if you take away Austin's big games he's nothing special. Who would that NOT apply to?

Moreover, the numbers I posted are just his STARTS. If you want to say his numbers are invalid because he had big games (LOL), then I'll say his numbers are invalid because he hasn't started all year and he obviously would have even bigger stats if he had.

Give it up. You've got nothing besides absurdity.

Thumper · 12-14-2009, 12:13 AM

Flyboy · 12-14-2009, 02:21 AM

Oh, DeSean Jackson. You are so beastly. *blush*

bigbluedefense · 12-14-2009, 08:09 AM

Ive said all along that DJax is the best by far. He's a top 5 WR in the league imo.

He's that good.

Bill Sheridan didn't help much of course. We didn't put Webster on him at all, played a soft zone all game and never once jammed him at the line.

Most of his big plays came in the slot when he had a LB and safety play him in zone. God I hate Bill Sheridan.

But he's a beast no matter how you slice it.

703SKINS202 · 12-14-2009, 12:17 PM

D Jax is by far the best, but one thing that blows my mind is how many times teams have just completely failed to cover him. This guy needs to be doubled at ALL times.