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View Poll Results: Which NFC North team had the best draft?
Chicago Bears 19 19.59%
Detroit Lions 25 25.77%
Green Bay Packers 38 39.18%
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Umm I know the Vikings can, seeing as how all of their draft picks are on their 53 man roster.
This. And all of them are contributing, in some way sahpe or form.
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Ive watched several. Just not the ones against the Lions where the majority of his sacks came from. He seems to be pretty aggressive but never shed a block.

Ok. Since you're implying he dosen't do it vs good teams... Don't mention:

Sack, FR, TFL vs Cowboys.

2 TFL, FF,FR, for a TD vs Vikings

Sack vs Cincy.



Packers also have all but one player on their roster from this draft, and the only who isn't (Meredith) has started a few times for the Bills.
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So, they won 'hands down' because they got a #3 WR, a RT and a lot of potential?

don't get me wrong, i think the argument can be made that they had the best draft, but to say it is 'hands down' the best draft is a little homerish.

Especially when you're comparing them to a team that got a QB of the future and 3 other players that have started as rookies and played at a very high level.
So that's all you consider Percy Harvin, is a #3 WR? I guess that's an easy way to make him sound not nearly as good or important as he really is I guess.


I like the Lions draft, really like the Pettigrew pick, but cannot ignore how good Oher has been and how good he'd be as a LT there for them.
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I think it's pretty obvious that
Lions draft > Packers > Vikings > Bears
But mostly it's because that's because the team with more draft ammo out drafted the team with less. If you are going to try to rank who got the best value out of all their picks, it's going to be really tough or impossible to find an answer. For example, do you take points away from Detroit because Stafford isn't a ROY favorite? I hate getting into ranking the drafts this way.

#1 Lions: Found a franchise QB who IMO had MVP talent. Pettigrew and Delmas both look like sure fire above average starters. Levy has shown he can play. Derrick Williams and Sammie Lee Hill have contributed and are good developmental players.

#2 Packers: Clay Matthews was the big impact player this year and he is in the running for DROY, though probably won't win it. Raji has been beastlike since healthy and there is no doubt he has pro bowl talent at the most important layer of a football team (DL). TJ Lang has shown he can play all over the OL. Brad Jones is outplaying Kampman (who strugged, to be honest) but he's been very capable starting with lots of room to improve. Wynn and Underwood make good developmental guys.

#3 Vikings: Added an electric receiver with Harvin, the OPOY favorite. Loadhart is doing very well on the right side of the line. Besides that, not much. Allen hasn't seen the field much, Brinkley looks like a career backup, Sanford hasn't done anything I know about, so they got 2 starters and 3 developmental guys.

#4 Bears: Johnny Knox, the only Bears rookie I've noticed, looks like a solid receiver but he has some faults I don't think he'll ever shake. Still a solid player that profiles as a #2 receiver primarily as a deep threat. Afalava is listed as a starter at SS with 41 tackles, 2 sacks, 0 PDef. I would have to ask a Bears fan about him. Gilbert, Iglesias, Moore, Louis made the team and were burried on the depth chart, some being deactivated on game days. 3 players appear to have been cut.
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I think it's pretty obvious that
Lions draft > Packers > Vikings > Bears
But mostly it's because that's because the team with more draft ammo out drafted the team with less. If you are going to try to rank who got the best value out of all their picks, it's going to be really tough or impossible to find an answer. For example, do you take points away from Detroit because Stafford isn't a ROY favorite? I hate getting into ranking the drafts this way.

#1 Lions: Found a franchise QB who IMO had MVP talent. Pettigrew and Delmas both look like sure fire above average starters. Levy has shown he can play. Derrick Williams and Sammie Lee Hill have contributed and are good developmental players.
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What have the Lions draftees done so far...? Most of them warm up the bench or on IR.

The Packers draft picks have largely contributed to the "#1 ranked" defense in the league.
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What have the Lions draftees done so far...? Most of them warm up the bench or on IR.

The Packers draft picks have largely contributed to the "#1 ranked" defense in the league.
Are you serious they all contribute. Stafford obviously has shown some potential to be a franchise QB,Pettigrew did before IR so 10 games, Delmas for sure does and is the lone bright spot in our secondary and is a ballhawk, Levy has taken over Sims spot and is playing well, Hill has been a starter all year and improved our run D at 330lbs. 5 long time starters right there who have all played well as rookies.

Aaron Brown is decent as a KR and has some speed to be a change of pace back.

Derrick Williams is one guy who hasn't produced.

Murtha is on the Dolphins roster snatched up, Gronko is a 7th round pick but on our roster,Follett contributes on special teams very well.

Very good draft. Pack got 2 great starters and Jones is a nice suprise but gave up some of the draft to get Matthews. Lang might turn out but you are relying on Clifton and Tauscher again.
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Are you serious they all contribute. Stafford obviously has shown some potential to be a franchise QB,Pettigrew did before IR so 10 games, Delmas for sure does and is the lone bright spot in our secondary and is a ballhawk, Levy has taken over Sims spot and is playing well, Hill has been a starter all year and improved our run D at 330lbs. 5 long time starters right there who have all played well as rookies.

Aaron Brown is decent as a KR and has some speed to be a change of pace back.

Derrick Williams is one guy who hasn't produced.

Murtha is on the Dolphins roster snatched up, Gronko is a 7th round pick but on our roster,Follett contributes on special teams very well.

Very good draft. Pack got 2 great starters and Jones is a nice suprise but gave up some of the draft to get Matthews. Lang might turn out but you are relying on Clifton and Tauscher again.
You realize that being a starter on the Lions is a bit different from starting on the #1 ranked defense in the league, don't you? That's great that you have five "potential starters," but when you're the Lions, and you just lost 16 games the year before, you damn well better get at least five starters in the next draft.
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You realize that being a starter on the Lions is a bit different from starting on the #1 ranked defense in the league, don't you? That's great that you have five "potential starters," but when you're the Lions, and you just lost 16 games the year before, you damn well better get at least five starters in the next draft.
It makes life easier for Raji and Matthews being surrounded by talent. Better chance for them to succeed. And Raji is part of a rotation but is coming on strong of late now that the ankle injury is done.

The Lions rookies are all playing fairly well with little help around them. Other than Calvin,Foote and Peterson the rookies are the only ones we can count on consistently. Stafford has his ups and downs but you can't deny the guy has shown some serious potential as a franchise QB. Delmas has zero help in the secondary at all but shines. Levy has very little Dline help in front of him but playing next to Foote helps. Levy has taken over for Sims a 1st round pick because of good play. Sims is injured but when Sims is healthy, Levy gets most of the snaps. Hill has helped the run D and will be a starter. He's a 330 lb very atheltic DT. Pettigrew is like Raji, coming on strong lately until the injury. Those guys will be 5 starters for years based on their play so far IMO not just because there is no other talent. They are the talent.
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Well it's odd arguing the Lions side on this one...especially because I'm in love with this Packers draft...but IMO Stafford's value is through the roof and that's what did it for them. Raji and CM3 are special players but a 21 year old franchise QB is hard to compete against.
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Well it's odd arguing the Lions side on this one...especially because I'm in love with this Packers draft...but IMO Stafford's value is through the roof and that's what did it for them. Raji and CM3 are special players but a 21 year old franchise QB is hard to compete against.
Very true.

Yes the Packers have the #1 D and Matthews/Raji have contributed, especially Matthews who is a stud but the argument is not who has the better team. Pack obviously had more D pieces in place.

Delmas,Levy,Hill,Pettigrew,Stafford are all playing well which makes the draft the most successful so far for the Lions. Things could change obviously and it is really too early to grade completely. Any team without a QB would love to have drafted Stafford(and any team with a QB already wouldn't need to draft a franchise QB). But if the Colts didn't have Manning and needed a QB they would be happy with Stafford based on what he's shown this year IMO.

Delmas could start on many teams IMO and Pettigrew as well other than of course the entrenched vets like Tony G,Witten,Gates which those teams wouldn't be looking for a tight end anyway. Levy and Hill were mid round picks. Did Hill get the start due to lack of talent at DT sure, but he has played well making him a good draft pick thus will be a starter in the future. He will not need to be replaced for another DT IMO making him a good draft pick. Could we add another 3 tech DT like Suh or McCoy, yes but Hill will still be the starting nose tackle and do his job as run stuffer. And Levy beat out Sims. Plus Levy was part of a trade down that allowed us to get Hill. Matthews was part of a trade up which was worth it since he's a stud, but still costly. Pettigrew cost us Roy Williams but that was a good trade for a 1st/3rd since Roy didn't want to resign and wanted badly to be in Texas.

All those things combined, make the Lions draft better, but most importantly its a franchise QB and five players playing well/showing immense potential.
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The Lions had a good draft. But, they misfired badly. The fact that Michael Oher was just sitting there to be taken and the Lions passed on him was a mistake. Pettigrew has had a mediocre rookie season. One or two good games, and some injuries. It's hard to say a team had the best draft when they could've solved a major need by taking a guy that could make the pro bowl AS A ROOKIE. It's not hindsight being 20/20 either. This was a pretty obvious pick at the time...apparently to everybody except those in the Lions' war room.

And, between the Packers and Vikings, it's close. Time will tell. If TJ Lang can really be a solid starter, he'll go down as a great pick. He's already contributed more than a rookie 4th rounder should be expected to.

Clay Matthews is a DROY candidate. Raji has been getting better every week. Flashes of absolute brilliance there. It makes me sad to think how good he could've been this year if it weren't for that nagging ankle injury.

Brad Jones was a steal too. Athletic. Instinctive. a rookie 7th rounder made it barely noticeable that Aaron Kampman is on IR.

-The Vikings....yeah, Harvin and Loadholt look like everything they wanted when they drafted them.

Harvin is an OROY candidate and Loadholt looks like a solid RT for years.


Time will tell. based on this year, I'd say the Packers had the best draft. The Vikings rookies are successful because they're in a great offense. The Packers defense is successful because they have some great rookies.
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The Lions had a good draft. But, they misfired badly. The fact that Michael Oher was just sitting there to be taken and the Lions passed on him was a mistake. Pettigrew has had a mediocre rookie season. One or two good games, and some injuries. It's hard to say a team had the best draft when they could've solved a major need by taking a guy that could make the pro bowl AS A ROOKIE. It's not hindsight being 20/20 either. This was a pretty obvious pick at the time...apparently to everybody except those in the Lions' war room.

And, between the Packers and Vikings, it's close. Time will tell. If TJ Lang can really be a solid starter, he'll go down as a great pick. He's already contributed more than a rookie 4th rounder should be expected to.

Clay Matthews is a DROY candidate. Raji has been getting better every week. Flashes of absolute brilliance there. It makes me sad to think how good he could've been this year if it weren't for that nagging ankle injury.

Brad Jones was a steal too. Athletic. Instinctive. a rookie 7th rounder made it barely noticeable that Aaron Kampman is on IR.

-The Vikings....yeah, Harvin and Loadholt look like everything they wanted when they drafted them.

Harvin is an OROY candidate and Loadholt looks like a solid RT for years.


Time will tell. based on this year, I'd say the Packers had the best draft. The Vikings rookies are successful because they're in a great offense. The Packers defense is successful because they have some great rookies.
Pettigrew struggled early but did come on stronger before the injury. Same as Raji pretty much who struggled early(due to injury) then came on. Only difference is Raji didn't have a freak knee injury. Pettigrew did well blocking most of the year even early which is another reason we drafted him, maybe the main reason him being a good all around tight end with strong blocking skills. Pettigrew had similar numbers in less games to Tony G's rookie year, not saying he will be a Tony G but Pettigrews development is far from done as a receiver. He has shown he can definitely be a good target though and has the ability to go over the middle and has great leaping ability. Yes we could have taken Oher but he was mediocre at LT the two games he played this year due to Gaithers injury. Of course he is a rookie, but he would have been a rookie for Detroit in a worse situation with no Ben Grubbs next to him and a rookie QB instead of a 2nd year QB and a terrible defense that puts the team in obvious passing situations unlike the Ravens D.

Oher as RT is very good but the Lions had Gosder so no way were we looking at a RT in Round 1. Oher being a stud LT is really an unknown still and we may never know unless the Ravens stop liking Gaither at LT and make the switch. Both Pettigrew and Oher will be solid starters for years at TE and RT IMO. Lions weren't going to fix everything in one year and they thought Pettigrew was BPA as did many others in terms of just ranking the prospects. BPA strategy is fine with me if it produces drafts like the last one Detroit had. In terms of need Oher might have fit better if the Lions saw him as a LT prospect. Don't know if they did or didn't or if they just thought Pettigrew was BPA and Tight End was a need too. Tackle is more important but Tight End is more versatile help to a team with many needs.

We'll see what the Lions do this year to address LT given Backus' age,mediocre play and high contract. Could be looking at Okung who is a better prospect than Oher or a Round 2 LT in a deep class. Jason Fox etc. Okung/Gosder and Pettigrew on the edges sounds like an even better situation in the long run if you ask me but of course the Defense might be ignored in Round 1 only mainly DT of Gerald McCoy. But if we get more mid round picks like Delmas,Levy and Hill the D and free agents like Foote/Peterson(trade), the D will start to shape up eventually too. Plus again its going to take more than 2009 and 2010 drafts. But its more than just LT for the Lions Oline. Everyone on the line who was extended in the offseason(Raiola,Peterman who is on IR), plus Gosder are going to have to pick up their game. Plus we need to find a LG too since Loper from the Titans didn't work out.

And rookie QB with rookie LT(who might be a RT prospect) might not have been the best situation. Worked for Atlanta but the Lions don't have the running game, a LG like Blalock, a right side of the line that progessed very well in 2008(Clabo,Dahl) and a stud RB in Turner to help ease things. Oher would have been left out to dry in Detroit as a LT. Long run he may be the answer at LT and it could have been a mistake but thats unknown.
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