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Old 02-07-2010, 09:36 PM    (permalink
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Leinart was just a caretaker.
That would certainly explain how he won the Heisman.
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That would certainly explain how he won the Heisman.
Seriously. I don't know how people forget how good Leinart was. People talk about all this talent he had around him at USC and that they made him look better than he really was. Yet all those skill position players are know flopping in the NFL. I think it was more of Leinart raising the level of the the players around him more so than the recievers making Leinart look good.
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Seriously. I don't know how people forget how good Leinart was. People talk about all this talent he had around him at USC and that they made him look better than he really was. Yet all those skill position players are know flopping in the NFL. I think it was more of Leinart raising the level of the the players around him more so than the recievers making Leinart look good.

As he is. But anyway, I don't consider what he did at USC as picking apart defenses as mentioned before. It was more of just throwing wobbly lobs to 6'5
possession WR's.

I'd take VY or even Tebow for this All Decade Team.
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Leinart was also practically playing in a red hands-off jersey as he never got touched by pass rushers. You can dissect a lot of defenses when you don't have to worry about getting hit.

Anyways, apples to apples, he wasn't better than Philip Rivers.
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Vince Young was good for one season. Granted, it was one of the best seasons ever for a quarterback, but still. How can you put him as the all-decade quarterback over these three and four year starters who were great for multiple years. This isn't based on how you were as a draft prospect.
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Philip Rivers would get my vote. Just because he didn't play for a big school people are overlooking him.
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Vince Young was good for one season. Granted, it was one of the best seasons ever for a quarterback, but still. How can you put him as the all-decade quarterback over these three and four year starters who were great for multiple years. This isn't based on how you were as a draft prospect.
He was only good for one season??? I will give you that his last year he took his game to another level but to say he was only good for one season is far from accurate.

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If were just building a team for an award or something, then I'd go Tebow.

If I were building an actual team that would compete, then there's no QB I'd rather have to try to win one game than Vince Young.

...If that makes sense...


Anyway, here's the All-Decade Vols Team:

QB: Casey Clausen
RB: Travis Henry
RB: Travis Stephens
WR: Robert Meachem
WR: Donte Stallworth
WR: Kelley Washington
TE: Jason Witten
OL: Aaron Sears
OL: Michael Munoz
OL: Scott Wells
OL: Fred Weary
OL: Chris Scott

DE: Parys Haralson
DT: John Henderson
DT: Albert Haynesworth
DE: Robert Ayers
LB: Jerod Mayo
LB: Kevin Burnett
LB: Rico McCoy
CB: Jonathan Wade
CB: Jason Allen
S: Eric Berry
S: Gibril Wilson

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He was only good for one season??? I will give you that his last year he took his game to another level but to say he was only good for one season is far from accurate.

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He was only a good PASSER for one season. He was a great athlete the whole time, but he really had 14 games as a mature double-threat QB. Much as I hate the man, I'd put Mike Vick over VY for his college career.
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1.5 time National Champ and that is being generous.

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He was only a good PASSER for one season. He was a great athlete the whole time, but he really had 14 games as a mature double-threat QB. Much as I hate the man, I'd put Mike Vick over VY for his college career.
Mike Vick lost to FSU for MNC. VY went out a champion. Next.

It's really boils down to VY or Tebow for All Decade Team.
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Young was great for one year and one game (the Rose Bowl against Michigan and the entire 05 season). The rest of the time, he was a winner and but wasn't necessarily this transcendent football player that people remember.

Tim Tebow was as good as any football player that anyone has seen. But he did what he did with Harvin, East Coast Reggie Bush, and a great group of players that are now succeeding in the NFL.

Matt Leinart, for some reason or another, is being disregarded for having too much surrounding talent on his team. The 2004 Orange Bowl must have been filled with wobbly passes, and they won in spite of him....Bottom line is that he has the numbers and while he doesn't have the dual threat label that the other two did, he accomplished just as much, if not more.

Its between Leinart and Tebow for me. And I'll go with Leinart because he played a bigger role on getting that second title.
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Buzz: He was a four-year starter for the Wolverines, and in his 26 starts at left tackle over his last two seasons, he was called for one penalty. He was a two-time Big Ten offensive lineman of the year and the No. 1 overall pick in the 2008 NFL draft by Miami.

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Buzz: McKinnie, a junior college transfer, made quite an impression in his two seasons at UM. He did not allow a sack with the Hurricanes and won the 2001 Outland Trophy as the nation's top lineman. He was a first-round pick by Minnesota in the 2002 NFL draft.
No Joe Thomas love? Was possibly one of the most dominant OL in Big Ten history. Came back from his Torn ACL in the Cap One Bowl only to be more dominant. 2006 Outland Trophy Winner. Do agree that those two had great season(s), just wanted to add Joe to the list.
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Young was great for one year and one game (the Rose Bowl against Michigan and the entire 05 season). The rest of the time, he was a winner and but wasn't necessarily this transcendent football player that people remember.

Tim Tebow was as good as any football player that anyone has seen. But he did what he did with Harvin, East Coast Reggie Bush, and a great group of players that are now succeeding in the NFL.

Matt Leinart, for some reason or another, is being disregarded for having too much surrounding talent on his team. The 2004 Orange Bowl must have been filled with wobbly passes, and they won in spite of him....Bottom line is that he has the numbers and while he doesn't have the dual threat label that the other two did, he accomplished just as much, if not more.

Its between Leinart and Tebow for me. And I'll go with Leinart because he played a bigger role on getting that second title.
Meh...to this day I still refuse to acknowledge Leinart and the Trojans' first National Championship. LSU were the champions in 03. USC was awarded a biased, media-voted "Co-champion."

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All-Decade Penn State team isn't too bad either although most are recent players:

QB - Michael Robinson
RB - Larry Johnson
RB - Tony Hunt
FB - Sean McHugh
WR - Deon Butler
WR - Jordan Norwood
TE - Andrew Quarless
OL - Levi Brown
OL - Rich Orhnberger
OL - AQ Shipley
OL - Tyler Reed
OL - Kareem McKenzie

DE - Tamba Hali
DT - Jimmy Kennedy
DT - Jared Odrick
DE - Michael Haynes
LB - Sean Lee
LB - Dan Connor
LB - Paul Posluszny
DB - Bryan Scott
DB - Calvin Lowry
DB - Anthony Scirrotto
DB - Justin King

P - Jeremy Kapinos
K - Kevin Kelly
KR - Derrick Williams
KR - Kenny Watson

just about everyone on this list were great college players that turned into good role players in the NFL, not many stars :-(
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All-Decade Penn State team isn't too bad either although most are recent players:

QB - Michael Robinson
RB - Larry Johnson
RB - Tony Hunt
FB - Sean McHugh
WR - Deon Butler
WR - Jordan Norwood
TE - Andrew Quarless
OL - Levi Brown
OL - Rich Orhnberger
OL - AQ Shipley
OL - Tyler Reed
OL - Kareem McKenzie

DE - Tamba Hali
DT - Jimmy Kennedy
DT - Jared Odrick
DE - Michael Haynes
LB - Sean Lee
LB - Dan Connor
LB - Paul Posluszny
DB - Bryan Scott
DB - Calvin Lowry
DB - Anthony Scirrotto
DB - Justin King

P - Jeremy Kapinos
K - Kevin Kelly
KR - Derrick Williams
KR - Kenny Watson

just about everyone on this list were great college players that turned into good role players in the NFL, not many stars :-(
1 Pro bowler?
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