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Old 04-19-2010, 09:36 PM    (permalink
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It doesnt have to....

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Two guys that would make me smile late draft

Andrew Tyshovnytsky
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Why the hell is it so quite around here? It's 2 days and counting!

Listened to Gosslin on with Norm this morning. Couple of interesting points:

-Will be a 'big' first round. Lots of OL, DL & LBers.

-Only 3 CBs with 1st round grades so it's unlikely that one slides to Dallas.

-He still likes Mays.

-Doesn't think Iupati, Pouncey or Bryant will be there at 27.

-Campbell is NOT a first rounder.

-TE is very deep.

-Tons of value in the middle of this draft, but the back end is weak.

That's all I can think of...
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I love Jackson.

He's a Saban CB, so expect him to be at his best in bump and run man coverage.

Thoughts on Jared Odrick? He could be a solid 5 tech for you guys. Im not always big on Penn State players, but he looks good when he wants to play. If he can live up to his potential, the thoughts of him, Ratliff, Ware and Spencer all rushing the passer are scary.
I think it will really come down to who is available. Right now I believe he is probably #5 on our list of wants. However if the top 4 are gone he makes a ton of sense. That said it is pretty unlikely he will be on the board at 27.

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Why the hell is it so quite around here? It's 2 days and counting!

Listened to Gosslin on with Norm this morning. Couple of interesting points:

-Will be a 'big' first round. Lots of OL, DL & LBers.

-Only 3 CBs with 1st round grades so it's unlikely that one slides to Dallas.

-He still likes Mays.

-Doesn't think Iupati, Pouncey or Bryant will be there at 27.

-Campbell is NOT a first rounder.

-TE is very deep.

-Tons of value in the middle of this draft, but the back end is weak.

That's all I can think of...
Thats funny, check out his mock

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...k.33ea398.html
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That is interesting. I'm wondering if he has gotten some more info since he did that which was prob Sat or Sun.
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As far as Dez, If Gosselin and Mosely both think it's a realistic possibility, then it's worth hoping for. I'm also happy to hear Stephen Jones say that they aren't looking to force a pick at safety in round one. Why draft Allen at 27 when you could fall a few spots and probably find a trading partner looking to get a Tebow or McCoy. Either Allen or Burnett will be there in the early 2nd and at worst you could find Reshad Jones or Chad Jones a little later on in the late 2nd early third area.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/...trade-imminent

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I wonder if we would look at Everson Griffen at DE? Scott lists him at 6'3.5, 275, but if you look at the guy, he's the type that has to stay in tip top shape to maintain that weight. I think he'll naturally get heavier. He's got a wide base, yet has nice wiggle, ala Warren Sapp. I'd take him over Odrick. How come he hasn't ever been discussed here? Am I that off?
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I wonder if we would look at Everson Griffen at DE? Scott lists him at 6'3.5, 275, but if you look at the guy, he's the type that has to stay in tip top shape to maintain that weight. I think he'll naturally get heavier. He's got a wide base, yet has nice wiggle, ala Warren Sapp. I'd take him over Odrick. How come he hasn't ever been discussed here? Am I that off?
Yea I think your way way off here, IMHO. Griffen is a 4-3 End, but would be an OLB in a 3-4, he'd be so out of position as a 3-4 End it's not even funny. He's strictly a pass-rusher, that's what he does best, and he takes plays off, at least Odrick fits as a DE in our scheme.




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Yea I think your way way off here, IMHO. Griffen is a 4-3 End, but would be an OLB in a 3-4, he'd be so out of position as a 3-4 End it's not even funny. He's strictly a pass-rusher, that's what he does best, and he takes plays off, at least Odrick fits as a DE in our scheme.
When I hear him talked about as an OLB, I think Nooooooo way. He's a lineman through and through. I agree that his best fit is as a 4-3 DE, but what I'm saying is that, he's not that far off from being a 3-4 DE if some team wanted him to become that.

I'm warming up to the idea of Odrick though. Even McCourty could even be a good pick. Love his feet and change of direction skills. ... not sure about his hands though.
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Justin VanFulpen, of NFL Draft Bible, reports Abilene Christian DE/FB James Peters has had a personal workout with the Dallas Cowboys.

NFL | J. Peters works out at Pro Day
Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:40:52 -0400

Justin VanFulpen, of NFL Draft Bible, reports Abilene Christian DE/FB James Peters measured in at his Pro Day with a height of 6-foot 3/8, 259 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.62 seconds and completed 44 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press. He measured a 9-foot-9 broad jump and a 39 1/2-inch vertical jump.

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When I hear him talked about as an OLB, I think Nooooooo way. He's a lineman through and through. I agree that his best fit is as a 4-3 DE, but what I'm saying is that, he's not that far off from being a 3-4 DE if some team wanted him to become that.

I'm warming up to the idea of Odrick though. Even McCourty could even be a good pick. Love his feet and change of direction skills. ... not sure about his hands though.
I'd have a tough time buying it, he just seems like he's always been at his best rushing the passer, maybe we could get creative with him but eh, I'd be a little upset with the pick and don't think you'd be maxing his player potential.


Odrick has always been a guy I'd be ok with, but does anyone else want to give Bowen a chance? He won me over a long time ago, and could be in line for a 3-4 year extension for an affordable price and he plays very well. Not sure I'd like a DE very early at all.


McCourty I really like though, then again I want a CB within the first 3 rounds, preferrably first 2 but it depends on who it is. I would hate if we came away without a starting quality corner. I remember when some of us thought Mickens would be good enough to be a #4 corner this year and move up eventually, so much for that.
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Justin VanFulpen, of NFL Draft Bible, reports Abilene Christian DE/FB James Peters has had a personal workout with the Dallas Cowboys.

NFL | J. Peters works out at Pro Day
Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:40:52 -0400

Justin VanFulpen, of NFL Draft Bible, reports Abilene Christian DE/FB James Peters measured in at his Pro Day with a height of 6-foot 3/8, 259 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.62 seconds and completed 44 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press. He measured a 9-foot-9 broad jump and a 39 1/2-inch vertical jump.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/player/23043/nfl#ixzz0lgohKeqR"
Interesting player nrcic... Sounds like the traits of a pretty good FB prospect. I would doubt that we'd draft/sign him as an OLB.
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I think it will really come down to who is available. Right now I believe he is probably #5 on our list of wants. However if the top 4 are gone he makes a ton of sense. That said it is pretty unlikely he will be on the board at 27.

1- Dez Bryant
2- Mike Iupati
3- Pouncey
4- Odrick
5- Taylor Mays
6- McCourtey
1. Iupati is 100% #1 on our board(Minus the Eric Berry tier of players)
Then I think its like:
2. Pouncey
3. Dez
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Odrick has always been a guy I'd be ok with, but does anyone else want to give Bowen a chance? He won me over a long time ago, and could be in line for a 3-4 year extension for an affordable price and he plays very well. Not sure I'd like a DE very early at all.
Just remember, we have several DE that are RFA and there is no guarantee they will all be with us after next year. So, if we take a guy like Odrick who will be a quality starter for years to come, that could work out perfectly if we lose Spears, Bowan or Hatcher after this season.

I also agree we need to draft a CB within the first 3 rounds, but unless we take a WR as well, he better be able to return punts and/or kickoffs!
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Justin VanFulpen, of NFL Draft Bible, reports Abilene Christian DE/FB James Peters has had a personal workout with the Dallas Cowboys.

NFL | J. Peters works out at Pro Day
Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:40:52 -0400

Justin VanFulpen, of NFL Draft Bible, reports Abilene Christian DE/FB James Peters measured in at his Pro Day with a height of 6-foot 3/8, 259 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.62 seconds and completed 44 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press. He measured a 9-foot-9 broad jump and a 39 1/2-inch vertical jump.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/player/23043/nfl#ixzz0lgohKeqR"
Great post, saw him last year at ACU while I was living in Abilene. Not sure his numbers translate, but seems to have upside. Could be a good depth player to help out on special teams.
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Just remember, we have several DE that are RFA and there is no guarantee they will all be with us after next year. So, if we take a guy like Odrick who will be a quality starter for years to come, that could work out perfectly if we lose Spears, Bowan or Hatcher after this season.

I also agree we need to draft a CB within the first 3 rounds, but unless we take a WR as well, he better be able to return punts and/or kickoffs!
Good point. I think Odrick is a strong possiblity. And he would be a solid pick. It's probably not as sexy as many of us want, but he's going to be a good solid NFL player for about 10 years. Probably, not a pro bowler, but a good player none the less.
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Here is how I see our board based on where we are picking.

1. Pouncey: I think we want the versatility and the ability to move Gurode out from center. Too many mental errors from the position. I think center position is of more value to our team than people think. We tried to get Unger last year and I see us making a push for Pouncey.

2. Dez Bryant
3. Mike Iupati
4. Nate Allen
5. Tyson Alualu
6. Taylor Mays

I have a sick feeling we end up with Mays. Boy will I be dissapointed. In my own opinion he shouldn't be drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. I'd put safeties like Morgan Burnett, Chad Jones, Reshad Jones, and etc. above him.
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Here is how I see our board based on where we are picking.

1. Pouncey: I think we want the versatility and the ability to move Gurode out from center. Too many mental errors from the position. I think center position is of more value to our team than people think. We tried to get Unger last year and I see us making a push for Pouncey.

2. Dez Bryant
3. Mike Iupati
4. Nate Allen
5. Tyson Alualu
6. Taylor Mays

I have a sick feeling we end up with Mays. Boy will I be dissapointed. In my own opinion he shouldn't be drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. I'd put safeties like Morgan Burnett, Chad Jones, Reshad Jones, and etc. above him.
I like that list with the exception of Mays. I actually think the Cowboys are way off on Mays. The reason is, on The Fan yesterday Stephen Jones mentioned 'shortcomings' in his comments about Mays. I can't imagine that Stephen would bring up that point if it was a player that they were giving strong consideration with thier first round pick. Can you imagine the blow back from that comment if they actually ended up picking him?

I just keep going back to the fact that Mays just doesn't fit in Wade's scheme. I suppose he would be a value pick at some point, but if a guy just doesn't fit your scheme, is he really a value?
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I like that list with the exception of Mays. I actually think the Cowboys are way off on Mays. The reason is, on The Fan yesterday Stephen Jones mentioned 'shortcomings' in his comments about Mays. I can't imagine that Stephen would bring up that point if it was a player that they were giving strong consideration with thier first round pick. Can you imagine the blow back from that comment if they actually ended up picking him?

I just keep going back to the fact that Mays just doesn't fit in Wade's scheme. I suppose he would be a value pick at some point, but if a guy just doesn't fit your scheme, is he really a value?
Players in wrong schemes reap complaining! We should be able to find a guy with value that will fit our scheme and have a chance to play a lot in the first round! If that guy is not there, trade back some in order to find that value. There will be guys in the 27 range that teams will be willing to trade up for. Maybe not offer a next year's #1 for, but maybe a #2 or something.
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Yeah, the way things are looking, without a major slide (Bryant or Classen), I think Odrick is probably the only thing there of value that fits for us, IMO.

I think the value and need that matches for us is 2nd and 3rd. I would be okay with us have 2 2nds and a 3rd and maybe try to pick up a 2nd 4th.

The obvious problem is that we don't know who's going to slide, if anyone.
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Yeah, the way things are looking, without a major slide (Bryant or Classen), I think Odrick is probably the only thing there of value that fits for us, IMO.

I think the value and need that matches for us is 2nd and 3rd. I would be okay with us have 2 2nds and a 3rd and maybe try to pick up a 2nd 4th.

The obvious problem is that we don't know who's going to slide, if anyone.
We don't know who will slide, but I can guarantee someone will slide...It's just how far down AND will Jerry be able to get a deal done.
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