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Old 07-06-2010, 09:26 AM    (permalink
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Well, they're no '07 Illinois.
Hah, I said the same thing when I saw them on the list.
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I mentioned two squads, 2005 and 2006.

But hey, if you don't have a 2006 VT squad on your list, that just hurts your credibility. Not that they had the number one ranked defense nationally in points allowed, yards allowed, and passing yards allowed. Not that we held 10/13 opponents to thirteen or less points or anything. And not to mention our offense often put the defensive unit in horrible situations. But whatever :).

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Virginia Tech.
DE C. Ellis, O. Martin
DT B. Booker, K. Robertson
DT C. Powell
DE N. Burchette, N. Brown
ILB X. Adibi
ILB V. Hall
WHIP B. Hill
CB V. Harris
CB B. Flowers
SS A. Rouse
FS D. Parker
Again reading would be key, I said before I do not duplicate rosters with players that over lap year by year. I try to pick the best of the group and select that year.

Thanks for the comedy though, still moderately disappointed about the lack of knowledge involving many of the fine older defenses, what most people only started watching college football in 2003?
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Seeing how I'm 18, I started watching around 2005.

Not only that, I would take the 2006 defense over the 2005 unit (if taking one, which sounds ridiculous to me, considering a year of returning players and a few different starters is a stark contrast), considering we returned sevenish starters and that DJ Parker/ Macho Harris were upgrades over their 2005 counterparts (Jimmy Williams and Justin Hamilton).

Tapp and Anderson were players, but a year of experience on seven players + two upgrades overshadows two downgrades.

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Just found another outstanding defense, watched them on tv recently and I remember how great they were. Outstanding linebackers, Simoneau was just wonderful. Solid corners and big time safeties, not to mention a solid defensive line with outstanding big tackles in McIntosh and Rowe.



With those big time linebackers, outstanding safeties and size up front I would say they barely crack the top 25, a very rare defense they were.

1998 Kansas State Wildcats

DE D. Howard
DT D. McIntosh
DT A. Rowe
DE J. Clements, C. Johnson
OLB M. Simoneau
ILB J. Kelly
OLB T. Ochs, B. Leber
CB G. Neasman
CB D. Carter, J. Butler
SS J. Cooper
FS L. Chapman, C. Scott
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Well another season of college football has gone. Not sure any new teams can be included into the list of top defensive units over the past few years. TCU was a fine defense but most of that was because of poor competition, however they did play great against Wisconsin. Ohio State had a fine defense but not sure they stack up depth wise against some of their defenses of the past. Auburn and Oregon had good defenses but both had holes in them and were all around not as solid as some.

Iowa sure did underachieve in 2010 with the depth they had, their defensive line did not play up to expectations. And it was too bad UNC was not able to play as a unit last year, they could have really been great.




Here is a early look at the potential top defenses next year in college football. Which could change clearly greatly seeing how what new freshman make an impact.

2011 College Football potential top defensive units:



DE B. Jenkins
DT J. McDaniel
DT D. McAllister
DE D. Hicks
OLB N. Bradham
ILB J. Luc
OLB N. Carr
CB G. Reid, L. Joyner
CB X. Rhodes, M. Harris
SS N. Moody
FS T. Parks, G. Demps



DE D. Square
DT Chapman
DE
OLB D. Hightower
ILB C. Mosley
ILB N. Johnson
OLB C. Upshaw
CB D. Kirkpatrick
CB D. Milliner
SS M. Barron
FS R. Lester



DE C. Meredith
DT J. Crick
DT B. Steinkuhler, T. Moore
DE E. Martin, J. Williams
OLB S. Fisher
ILB L. David
OLB W. Compton
CB A. Dennard
CB
SS A. Cassidy
FS PJ. Smith



DE D. Taylor
DT T. Robertson
DT
DE B. McKnight
OLB A. Allen, D. Jeffery
ILB R. Paulk
OLB S. Wilson
CB S. Gilmore
CB A Auguste, CC. Whitlock
SS DJ Swearinger
FS D. Holloman, A. Winfield




DE W. Gholston
DT J. Worthy
DT Rashad-White
DE T. Hoover
OLB C. Norman
ILB
OLB
CB J. Adams
CB T. Robinson
SS J. Jones
FS



DE F. Alexander
DT S. McGee
DT J. McFarland
DE J. Chaisson
OLB T. Lewis
ILB A. Box
OLB R. Lewis
CB T. Jefferson
CB J. Fleming, A. Colvin
SS
FS S. Proctor



DE Lewis- Moore, Cwynar
DT H. Williams
DE E. Johnson
OLB P. Shembo
ILB M. Te'o
ILB C. Calabrese
OLB D. Fleming
CB R. Blanton
CB
SS H. Smith
FS Z. Motta, J. Slaughter



DE Q. Coples
DT T. Powell
DT
DE Paige- Moss, M. McAdoo
OLB Z. Brown
ILB K. Reddick
OLB
CB T. Boston
CB C. Brown
SS
FS
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Your ND roster is jacked up. Here's how it goes, with positions that are up for grabs listed with the people fighting for the spot:

DE K. Lewis-Moore
DT S. Cwynar, L. Nix
DE E. Johnson
OLB P. Shembo, D. Spond
ILB M. Te'o
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Your ND roster is jacked up. Here's how it goes, with positions that are up for grabs listed with the people fighting for the spot:

DE K. Lewis-Moore
DT S. Cwynar, L. Nix
DE E. Johnson
OLB P. Shembo, D. Spond
ILB M. Te'o
ILB C. Calabrese, D. Fox
OLB D. Fleming
CB R. Blanton
CB G. Gray
SS H. Smith
FS Z. Motta, J. Slaughter
Wow, Gray is back? They really could have a up start defense that will shock a lot of people. They could be very solid, will wait and see how they do.
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Wow, Gray is back? They really could have a up start defense that will shock a lot of people. They could be very solid, will wait and see how they do.
Wait, ND with high expectations and hype coming into a season? Weird!!!
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i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.
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keylime_5 i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.
Are you serious? This could be the best Ohio defense in over a decade? Please that is just wrong in my opinion. Moeller, how is he still a Buckeye, what is this his 10th year of eligibility? The defensive line, Williams is ok but it is just incorrect to say they will be better than last year, much less the year before that. All of their fine linebackers are gone, these young guys could be good but then again they might not be. The corners are very suspect and need to prove themselves a lot. To call this a deep defense? Why, depth is with experienced proven players, Ohio State barely has any of those on this defense outside of Nathan Williams and John Simon.
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Are you serious? This could be the best Ohio defense in over a decade? Please that is just wrong in my opinion. Moeller, how is he still a Buckeye, what is this his 10th year of eligibility? The defensive line, Williams is ok but it is just incorrect to say they will be better than last year, much less the year before that. All of their fine linebackers are gone, these young guys could be good but then again they might not be. The corners are very suspect and need to prove themselves a lot. To call this a deep defense? Why, depth is with experienced proven players, Ohio State barely has any of those on this defense outside of Nathan Williams and John Simon.
Agree that the depth outside of LB isn't there.

Dunno about how they will rank overall. There are some talented players that were in the wings last year. Rawness is their biggest issue.

They will be very good by the end of the season.
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I didn't mean in the past decade, I meant this season. Hankins, Howard, Goebel, Bellamy, Sweat, Moeller, S.Thomas and Bryant have played a lot of minutes. Injuries last year led OSU to see a lot of their young players in crucial situations. Simon and Williams had about as good of springs as any OSU defensive lineman since Tressel has been here, and both were very good in 2010. Hankins looks like what dominant players look like before they break out, and he should break out this fall. The defensive line is about 8 or 9 deep with 3 guys who will be dominant players (Hankins, Simon, & Williams) with Goebel, Bellamy, and Thomas rotating in doing the dirty work, and that is why the defense will be so good.
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i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.
Im honestly not even sure if yall have a better D than we do next year. Not saying your D is bad or anything but its not gonna be special by OSU standards
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no worries, just defense, offense is gonna blow
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trust me, it won't be any worse than it's been since 2005. They get faster at linebacker and on the defensive line and they have lots of depth in the front seven. Those elite recruiting classes we had in 2008 and 2009 will start showing up on that side of the ball this year. The 3rd stringers aren't much less talented than the 1st stringers on our D. If only we recruited the same kind of depth on the O-Line.
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The 2001 Hurricanes had six first round draft picks... playing defensive back.

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Great list, I would however replace the 2004 FSU defense with the 2003 FSU defense and add Darnell Dockett and Travis Johnson to that mix. I know Sims and Cromartie were freshmen, but both played a lot of snaps that season.
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Hope Miami fans won't disagree Mark Stoops is one of the best DB coaches in the country with what he did with those players.
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Hope Miami fans won't disagree Mark Stoops is one of the best DB coaches in the country with what he did with those players.
Wait, are you calling Mark Stoops a douchebag?
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True but it is not like they are untalented prospects that he is coaching. The talent level at defensive back for the Noles last year was just very deep compared to the past five years or so at Florida State. Let us be frank here, if Mark Stoops coached the Golden Gophers defensive backs, you think they would be all that successful? A coach is a coach but they always need good players, sure some can make good players great but not many.
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Just made a switch after watching an old game on TV. The 1997 Nebraska defense was the better in that grouping than the 1998 defense. The fact Winstrom and Peters were on that defensive line instantly makes them better than than the 1998 defense. Plus the fact Eric Warfield was at the FS spot and was very solid for them.

1997
DE G. Winstrom
DT J. Peters
DT J. Wiltz, C. Warren
DE M. Rucker, Vanden Bosch
OLB T. Ortiz
ILB J. Foreman
OLB C. Polk
CB R. Brown
CB E. Swiney, J. Walker
SS M .Brown
FS E. Warfield, B. Harrison



1998
DE Vanden Bosch
DT S. Warren
DT Slechta
DE M. Rucker, C. Kelsay
OLB J. Foreman, J. Burrow
ILB D. Polk
OLB E. Johnson
CB R. Brown, D. Groce
CB K. Craver, J. Walker
SS M .Brown
FS D. Booker
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i would be surprised if there is any defense better than this one come next year, though I guess maybe Alabama could give them a run:

DE-John Simon Beast
DT-Johnathan Hankins Beast in waiting
DT-Garrett Goebel/Adam Bellamy
DE-Nathan Williams Beast
WLB-Andrew Sweat
MLB-Etienne Sabino
SLB-Dorian Bell
CB-Travis Howard BIW
CB-Dominic Clarke
S-Orhian Johnson
S-CJ Barnett
STAR-Tyler Moeller Beast

depth is ridiculous.
Epic homer post once again keylime. I counted 4 returning starters (correct me if I'm wrong) and we're supposed to believe that's the best defense in the country? Any homer fan can pretend that their "young talented players" who have never seen the field before are gonna take the world by storm. Yeesh.
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5 years in the past 10 the #1 ranked defense, with the last 3 years consecutive and a bunch of NFL players and not one unit on the list. SMH.
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5 years in the past 10 the #1 ranked defense, with the last 3 years consecutive and a bunch of NFL players and not one unit on the list. SMH.
Look again at the competition they play throughout the year. It will be real interesting if they are as successful on defense in the Big East playing Big East competition all year. The Big East is not even that great of a conference but it does provide much better competition that what they had before.

Might have a point with last years defense for TCU, but the star power is lacking and the elite corner play is also not that great. Or at least this past year I think it was.

DE W. Daniels, S. Maponga
DT
DT
DE B. Broughton
LB T. Carder
LB T. Brock
CB G. McCoy
CB J. Teague
SS C. Jones
RV T. Cuba, A. Ibiloye
FS T. Johnson


Possibly some years previous to this one, they had some great linebackers back then, I will look at the rosters from a few years back and maybe they could be included in the list.


Thanks for bringing it up!
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Possible TCU defensive units that might make the list, but I am missing a few players and cannot seem to find a 2009 roster.

2007
DE T. Blake, J. Hughes
DT Christopher
DT J. Vess
DE C. Ortiz
OLB J. Phillips
ILB D. Hawthorne
OLB R. Henson, D. Washington
CB R. Priest
CB N. Sanders
SS S. Hodge
FS D. Roach, B. Bonner



2009
DE J. Hughes
DT W. Daniels
DT
DE
LB D. Washington
LB R. Henson
CB R. Priest
CB N. Sanders
SS A. Ibiloye
RV C. Hunter
FS T. Johnson
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