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Old 07-13-2010, 02:00 PM    (permalink
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Because he cared more about winning than making money. Sure he made a boat ton of money but that was because they started winning. The difference between him and most owners is that it wasn't just a business to him. It was his life. There are certainly many richer owners in baseball than the Steinbrenners, however those same billionaires continue to take the Steinbrenners luxury tax money and put in their pocket rather than investing it back into the team. Which is what he always did. Too many owners look at the teams as more of an investment rather than a passion which is what it was to George.
Well, I don't think you are being fair to small market owners with this statement. Certain teams are forced to keep their payroll down, no matter of whether or not they win (see Marlins, A's, Twins, etc.).

With that being said, there is no question that George Steinbrenner was a great owner.

He has often been criticized by the media as being harsh on his employees.

Personally, I didn't have a problem with that. Why shouldn't he hold his employees accountable for their screw-ups? He was paying them A TON of money.
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Sure is posthumous dick-sucking in here. God only knows what people will say when Al Davis dies. Oh well, I guess I'm heartless.
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Steinbrenner was a dick, but he was still a damn good owner. Al Davis is an asshole and a terrible owner, so don't even compare the two.
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Well, I don't think you are being fair to small market owners with this statement. Certain teams are forced to keep their payroll down, no matter of whether or not they win (see Marlins, A's, Twins, etc.).

With that being said, there is no question that George Steinbrenner was a great owner.

He has often been criticized by the media as being harsh on his employees.

Personally, I didn't have a problem with that. Why shouldn't he hold his employees accountable for their screw-ups? He was paying them A TON of money.
Of course some teams are forced to keep their payroll down although Loria in Florida has been pocketing luxury tax money for years and finally after pressure from MLB baseball re-signed a great player in Johnson. But the point is all these teams make a big profit. I don't expect the owners not to take a profit, but in many cases more money could or should be reinvested into the team.
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Oh, I hated Steinbrenner. But, he was a damn good businessman.
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RIP George Steinbrenner. The Boss will be missed.
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Sure is posthumous dick-sucking in here. God only knows what people will say when Al Davis dies. Oh well, I guess I'm heartless.
There is and frankly its pathetic. The man died so now people want to jump on his bandwagon? Yes for the majority of his reign the Yankees were the envy of the league, but lets not forget how horrid a franchise they were for most of the 80's, how Big George was suspended not once but TWICE from MLB, and how he blatantly was a horrible persona in his treatment of players and employees.

Yankee fans can say all they want about how demanded the best and all that nonsense but the bottomline is the only difference between him and Peter Angelos is winning.
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Who are you calling a Yankee fan???!!!!!!

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Yankee fans can say all they want about how demanded the best and all that nonsense but the bottomline is the only difference between him and Peter Angelos is winning.
That's a little harsh. Does Angelos even care about winning?

I also think the horrible treatment of players and employees is being overblown. Who was he so horrible to? He fired people, sure. Plenty people get fired. One of my favorite things about George is he was always able to poke fun at himself. And he's was extremely generous. Of course people don't hear about that.
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That's a little harsh. Does Angelos even care about winning?
He did in 1996 and 1997, other then that my guess is no.


And I stand by my assessment. Nobody loved Big Stein when he was alive, in fact Yankee fans were the ones to tolerate him. The rest of baseball fans hated him for basically making the game a joke by using other clubs as farm teams, overspending, etc... But now that he's dead we're throwing him a ticker tape parade? Thats blatant hypocrisy and I for one think its revolting.
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He did in 1996 and 1997, other then that my guess is no.


And I stand by my assessment. Nobody loved Big Stein when he was alive, in fact Yankee fans were the ones to tolerate him. The rest of baseball fans hated him for basically making the game a joke by using other clubs as farm teams, overspending, etc... But now that he's dead we're throwing him a ticker tape parade? Thats blatant hypocrisy and I for one think its revolting.
He didn't create the rules. He just played by them. And played by them better than anyone else and created an empire in the process.
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NL or AL tonight? The NL needs to win so i can go to a world series game 7 at Busch Stadium :-D
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The National League needs to win for sure.
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Their starting lineup is weak. Pitching is stronger. But there seems to be a greater difference in the lineups than the pitching.
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He did in 1996 and 1997, other then that my guess is no.


And I stand by my assessment. Nobody loved Big Stein when he was alive, in fact Yankee fans were the ones to tolerate him. The rest of baseball fans hated him for basically making the game a joke by using other clubs as farm teams, overspending, etc... But now that he's dead we're throwing him a ticker tape parade? Thats blatant hypocrisy and I for one think its revolting.
I'm a Red Sox fan and I've always thought Steinbrenner was a great owner. I absolutely hated him, but always respected him as an owner.
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"Not only is he my guy, he's got 119 at-bats against left-handed pitchers and 65 RBIs," Manuel said. "He can hit 'em. He's hitting .294. He's very capable of hitting fourth in an All-Star lineup."
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Howard is hitting .294 on the year, .244 against lefties. He has 119 at bats against lefties, correct. 20 of his 65 RBI come from LHP.

Stick to managing, Charlie.
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What's worse, that or Joe Girardi giving Michael Young Adrian Beltre's all-star spot despite the fact that Beltre never ruled himself out of the game?
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Michael Young should be there.
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You shouldn't be here.


It's tough because I agree with both.
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If I died, who'd posthumously suck my dick?
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My favorite part of the game is the player introductions but let's go NL!!!
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