UNC Football under investigation?

[wonderbredd24]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

Alright, Sniper, we'll remain this productive conversation whenever you find one QB who was better than Moore the entire season.

I don't know about that, but Kellen Moore is a heckuva QB and Boise State is going to beat Virginia Tech because they have the best coach in the country and 21 of 22 starters coming back.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

Alright, Sniper, we'll remain this productive conversation whenever you find one QB who was better than Moore the entire season.

Colt McCoy. There. Imagine if he had to face the competition that Moore faced? He could have had 45 touchdowns.

We can continue the rest of this discussion when you remove your head from UNC's collective ass and/or when you realize the enormous stupidity of your Mangini/Belichick comment. Until then, welcome to my ignore list.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

I don't know about that, but Kellen Moore is a heckuva QB and Boise State is going to beat Virginia Tech because they have the best coach in the country and 21 of 22 starters coming back.

People always want to hop on the nuts of a young coach from a ****** conference as the best coach in the country. Give me a ******* break. He's not on Urban Meyer's level. He's not on Nick Saban's level. There are probably at least five coaches better than Petersen.

[RealityCheck]

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

I don't know about that, but Kellen Moore is a heckuva QB and Boise State is going to beat Virginia Tech because they have the best coach in the country and 21 of 22 starters coming back.

Is that sarcasm?

[wonderbredd24]

Originally Posted by Sniper

People always want to hop on the nuts of a young coach from a ****** conference as the best coach in the country. Give me a ******* break. He's not on Urban Meyer's level. He's not on Nick Saban's level. There are probably at least five coaches better than Petersen.

Saban and Meyer have 5 star recruits falling all over themselves to come play for them and granted, they are great coaches that know how to win with them and have national titles to prove it. I'm all for giving Meyer his props... afterall, he's another of the great Ohio coaches.

What level of recruits are coming to Boise State? And what is Peterson able to do with them? They just keep winning against everyone who is willing to play them and 2 BCS games.

[wonderbredd24]

Originally Posted by RealityCheck

Is that sarcasm?

Not at all... I think Virginia Tech is in for a world of hurt against the Broncos and Boise State may finally be able to get in the BCS Title game this year

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

Saban and Meyer have 5 star recruits falling all over themselves to come play for them and granted, they are great coaches that know how to win with them and have national titles to prove it. I'm all for giving Meyer his props... afterall, he's another of the great Ohio coaches.

Meyer won at literally every single place he's coached at. Saban was able to make Michigan State respectable. No small feat.

What level of recruits are coming to Boise State? And what is Peterson able to do with them? They just keep winning against everyone who is willing to play them and 2 BCS games.

They beat bad teams. Wow, super impressive.

[wonderbredd24]

Originally Posted by Sniper

Meyer won at literally every single place he's coached at. Saban was able to make Michigan State respectable. No small feat.

And I agree, they are tremendous coaches, but Michigan State being respectable and making a MAC school competitive isn't quite the same as Boise State being a National Title contender. Chris Petersen still needs to get some jewelry, but he's a great coach and there's no reason to believe if he were to leave Boise for a bigger school, he wouldn't lead them to dominance the same way that Meyer and Saban have.

Originally Posted by Sniper

They beat bad teams. Wow, super impressive.

49-4 against almost anyone is impresive and he led his Broncos to victories over Oklahoma and a TCU team that personally, I think would have taken Texas apart, but that's a matter of opinion on my part.

[The Dude Abides]

I wonder if realitycheck realizes that all football programs cheat, its just the big time programs cheat better. SMU can't afford to give dudes houses like USC, or give them jobs where they don't work but get paid like OU, or give them cars like OSU

...and I am a Buckeye fan

[TitanHope]

USC wasn't the one who gave Bush a house. They just weren't strict enough with keeping agents and other handlers like them from having contact with USC players. Those were the guys who were giving things to Bush and Mayo.

[wonderbredd24]

Originally Posted by TitanHope

USC wasn't the one who gave Bush a house. They just weren't strict enough with keeping agents and other handlers like them from having contact with USC players. Those were the guys who were giving things to Bush and Mayo.

The school knows about it. They have plausible deniability, but they know. A coach knows everything that goes on inside their program. Players can't keep their mouths shut on top of the fact that coaches have guys on their staffs and on their roster that keep tabs on the team.

Preventing **** like this is virtually impossible, but they certainly know after it's happened. Hell, with the stuff Reggie Bush was doing, you'd have to be a moron not to know.

[TitanHope]

Originally Posted by wonderbredd24

The school knows about it. They have plausible deniability, but they know. A coach knows everything that goes on inside their program. Players can't keep their mouths shut on top of the fact that coaches have guys on their staffs and on their roster that keep tabs on the team.

Preventing **** like this is virtually impossible, but they certainly know after it's happened. Hell, with the stuff Reggie Bush was doing, you'd have to be a moron not to know.

True. Just sayin' it wasn't as if a USC booster wrote out a check for Bush to cash.

But yeah, if USC had done some more self-punishment, the NCAA probably wouldn't have hit them so hard. Maybe they'll get off with a reduced punishment after submitting an appeal, but I'm not sure it happens after their "deny, deny, deny" approach. Their compliance dept. isn't very... well, compliant. Even Lane Kiffin pointed out that Tennessee's compliance dept. was too forthcoming - and this is at a villainous SEC school. ;)

[descendency]

Fact of life: When you are one of the top 15 teams in the country (or the best team over the last 10 years), you're going to get skull-****** when you get caught cheating. All Pete Carroll had to do was see what happened to his former NFL team... but he was probably too busy banging that grad student.

[TitanHope]

Where are all the skullfucking references coming from?!

[CashmoneyDrew]

This thread, delivers.

[ElectricEye]

Originally Posted by VoodooMonkey

This thread, delivers.

For sure. RealityCheck at his absolute finest here. The ultimate rendition of "that guy".

[dannyz]

If this is True then that Crazy. I think only Marvin would have been a Frist Round Pick and a late one at that. UNC have a shot at the BCS NC because of Defense. Will this effect Recruting, what does Clowney think of this ?

[LonghornsLegend]

I know I wasn't the only one expecting Reality Check to come in here banging his keyboard full of keyboard rage as soon as I saw the thread was about UNC. At least I'm not surprised.

[thenewfeature06]

I would like to say I am confident that nothing will happen but I'm not lol. Its getting to the point where it is a steriod era type thing and you don't know who is next. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvin got a bunch of money and **** I just don't want it to be true, and if its multiple players that mean our season is most likely ******.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by thenewfeature06

and if its multiple players that mean our season is most likely ******.

not just this season, you'd likely face long-term sanctions.

[thenewfeature06]

Originally Posted by Brent

not just this season, you'd likely face long-term sanctions.

Yeah most likely something like USC.. hopefully not that severe. Id cry.. but uhhhh this article is interesting, basically if Little and Marvin don't reveal anything even if it did happen, were good? Or what are these kids on lie detectors nowadays lol

http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_s...ical-situation

[ThePudge]

Originally Posted by dannyz

If this is True then that Crazy. I think only Marvin would have been a Frist Round Pick and a late one at that. UNC have a shot at the BCS NC because of Defense. Will this effect Recruting, what does Clowney think of this ?

Marvin Austin was not one of the 7 best players on that defense a year ago. Robert Quinn looks to be first round caliber talent, Bruce Carter has considerable upside yet looks in the 2nd Round range now, while Quan Sturdivant (MLB), Deunta Williams (S), and Kendric Burney (S) all should find a home sometime between the 3rd and 5th rounds. Marvin Austin hasn't done anything on the field warranting Day One or Day Two consideration, rather, his 2.0 TFL against the run should raise serious concerns as to his explosiveness, penetrating ability, and instincts. He's a player that better start stepping up if he wants to live up to his lofty recruiting status.

[LizardState]

This was never going to be sustained success for UNC anyway as Butch Davis will be leaving sooner than later for the conference you despise so much - the SEC.

As if Davis hasn't been down this road before (see: Butch at Da U).... as if .... Or were those the violations of the previous HC there, Dennis Erickson? Or maybe even the coach before him, Jimmy "Do Whatever It Takes to Win" Johnson? Where does the buck passing stop? Here is it with the guy who recruited Austin, Quinn, Williams, et. al?

Speaking as a hardcore fan who endured the probations (both of them) at Alabama, couple of points to make:

• Once you're caught dirty, the only acceptable mode of approaching this is that last stage of the Kubler-Ross identified stages of human dealing with traumatic events, Acceptance. The only acceptable posture is complete prostration, AKA the kowtow pose, that's complete cooperation with the NCAA investigating committee. That's posture is the only thing that saved Bama from the Death Penalty, that hammer that the NCAA had all too recently before brought down on SMU that obliterated the whole freaking Southwest Conference with it. The smart HC admits the guilt 1st thing, although some attys. might say that admitting failure to properly administer/manage/control your mega-huge, highly profiled program is copping a plea to a lesser offense. Failure to admit guilt is often seen as arrogance & warrants a swift NCAA punitive kick in the ass (see USC, the punishment handed down a couple of mos. ago) even if the HC who was in charge is now gone (again: glares at Carroll in Seattle as I'm sure many SC fans in SoCal are doing now). Worse is diverting the blame to others while trying to exonerate oneself, best case that only works once -- see Phil Fulmer, Tennessee, Memphis HS recruits auction scandal, more on him below.

• Fulmer played fast & loose with the rules at Tennessee but slickly blamed other programs (whom he played every season, what a coincidence!) & the Kentucky HC got fired, Memphis U investigated further, & Alabama got its 2nd probation. He played the political rather than the gridiron game which only multiplied the accusations of misdeeds & focused much more closer examination of the Vols program, not less. He was canned in midseason 2 seasons ago by acclamation of outraged Vols fans who could see the clouds of suspicion gathering, then replaced by Kiffin, soon followed by recruits leaving, players transferring, then multiple police incidents & arrests. It happened at Oklahoma too, new HC Stoops was a new broom that swept clean, same with Mike Shula then Saban at Bama, well maybe not so much with Kiffin at Tennessee given the full weight of NCAA infractions before he even coached his 1st game.

I'm not saying that Butch Davis was that new clean broom at UNC, any more than he was at Miami, but these BCS heavyweight HCs have reputations that are only about 50% max of their own, their Universities' PR depts. manufacture.

Now Kiffin moves to USC for more $ knowing the hammer was coming down there, & is taking the heat that is due Carroll, hey, it's a small world on the top shelf of BCS programs, everyone knows each other all too well, there's a wholelotta payback's a ***** & what goes around, comes around & bad karma at that level -- like Larry McMurtry wrote, This world is full of crap & sooner or later you're gonna step in some of it. Coaches' reputations in an intensely regulated, viciously competitive corporate, multi-million $ sport like college FB that wraps itself in the amateur cloak of the Student Athlete Concept are a big factor that cannot be ignored.

You don't think success, especially sudden recent success (like UNC has enjoyed with its recruiting, 3 1st team AAs on their defense), at the top levels of the NCAA Div. 1 attracts investigators? Like blood in the water to sharks. And the USC, Alabama, & Oklahoma probations proved that the higher the school's profile & reputation, the greater the penalties. Ask SC fans about that now.

I love UNC, & no school in the South has a more sterling academic reputation or basketball program has a better rep, that's why I hate to see the hammer go down on them. I truly hope they beat the rap. But if it happens I think it will fall on Davis more than anyone else.

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by LizardState

no school in the South has a more sterling academic reputation

Duke? Vanderbilt?

[Brent]

Originally Posted by Sniper

Duke? Vanderbilt?

beat me to it.

I'd rather go to Duke for academics than UNC Chapel Hill