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Old 09-06-2010, 06:22 PM    (permalink
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Colts always have awful special teams and they won more games in the last decade than any other.
Over the last two years the Colts have had the worst Rush Offense in the NFL. There 26-6 in that period. Any one want to argue that the Run game isn't important just because a good team can't do it?

Special Teams is important but you can win without it, as the Colts have shown. The run game is important, but you can win without it, as the Colts have shown. Teams have won without being able to successfully pass the ball (Jets were 31st passing the ball last year and got to the AFC Championship game). Teams have won without the ability to defend the run (Colts were 24th against the run last year). Teams have won without the ability to defend the pass (New Orleans were 26th against the pass last year).

All areas of the game are important. The leading point scorer on a team is normally the Kicker. The leader in yards is reguarly the return man. Last years yardage leader wasn't Chris Johnson, it was Fred Jackson. Second on that list was Joshua Cribbs. They advanced the ball for their team more than Johnson did.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:38 PM    (permalink
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I would say special teams is more of a wild-card than anything else. Most games the impact isn't near that of the offense or defense but sometimes a big positive, or negative, play changes the course of the game.
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That's because it was the only 3rd of the game that was good. Their O and D is terrible.

I think ST really is 1/3 bc field position is soooooo effin important.
There's a big difference between starting at your own 20 or your own 40.
And the same goes for the D. Punting and punt coverage. So underrated, IMO
yes, but I've seen teams with just a good offense and a terrible defense/special teams do a lot better than a team with just good STs and bad O/D. I think if you are amazing in offense or defense but bad on STs you have a chance to win every game. If you are amazing in special teams and bad on O and D then not so much. There have been teams to win titles without great special teams play but great O and D instead. That's not usually the case if a team has great special teams but bad O or bad D.

I think they are very important and a huge huge plus, but not nearly as important as the other 2/3rds of the game.
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As long as your special teams isn't awful(and by that I mean Denver Broncos level inept), it's good enough. Not nearly as important as offense or defense. Sure, some game are won or lost based on special teams. But literally every game is won or lost based on offense/defense.
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absolutely. it's all of them working together though. Great special teams like a returner will lead to teams kicking away from you, which could lead to shorter kicks or kicks out of bounds equaling good field position, and if you have a decent-good offense, they'll capatilize. A good punt pinning a team down, followed by a good defensive stand will lead to good field position for you, which an O can capitalize on. they all work off each other.
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Football is a battle of field position so my answer is yes.
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Cardinals went from 4-12 to 8-8 in 1 year without making many rosters moves besides improving special teams(also Whis was coaching)

Cardinals nearly beat the Titans last year with Leinart starting with only special teams, Graham put 5 punts inside the 20(5, 11, 15, 2, 1) and LSH returned 4 kicks for 167 yards and a TD
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Hugely important. Devin Hester made the bears a contender almost on his own, because they usually needed like 1-2 decent offensive plays to get in FG position, or he'd take it to the house himself.
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Cardinals went from 4-12 to 8-8 in 1 year without making many rosters moves besides improving special teams(also Whis was coaching)

Cardinals nearly beat the Titans last year with Leinart starting with only special teams, Graham put 5 punts inside the 20(5, 11, 15, 2, 1) and LSH returned 4 kicks for 167 yards and a TD
Teams improve by 4 games every year with the same(ish) roster.

And you're saying they played a perfect special teams game and lost?
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I wouldn't say 1/3, I would say 1/5 important. If you play outrageously good/bad you can swing an outcome, but it pales in comparison to the other 80% of the game.
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go watch boise state/virgina tech right now. pretty huge.
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It's easier if you think of the Non-FG portion of Special Teams as an Augment Booster.

An offense is going to have a much easier time when their return squads are consistantly raking out good yardage fielding kickoffs and punts than they would if said return game was constantly getting squashed deep in their own territory.

And a defense will have a better margin of error should the coverage units effectively limit the yardage gained on returns- even more so should those returns be downed well inside the 20.

In essence; no, it's not as 'Equal' as Offense or Defense, but you ignore it at your own peril.
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I say its about 20%
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I say its about 20%
I agree, 1/3 is a bit much maybe, but O 40%, D 40%, ST 20% makes sense.
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I'd say it's close to 1/3. The thing holding it back is, realistically a good ST still needs a good O or D to emphasize its effectiveness.

A good O is ultimately one that scores points, and it does that independently. A good D is ultimately one that prevents points, and it too does that independently. Either one can win games more or less on their own, to an extent (of which the Superbowl isn't usually included). With ST, it can do great things for your team, but without the O or D capitalizing on the field position, its 1/3rd isn't realized.

So maybe the better way to look at it is 50% for O and D, with 16.5% of both O and D success being attibuted to ST, and namely the field position it can bring.
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I would say it's very important...however....

Great special teams can't overcome a terrible offense or terrible defense. Field position doesn't matter when you can't get a first down or can't stop the other team from driving 90 yards for a score every possession.

On the other hand, if you have a great offense or great defense with terrible special teams, bad field position makes it harder, but you can still score from 90 yards away and you can stop teams from scoring from 50 yards away.
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