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Old 10-30-2010, 12:33 PM    (permalink
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Yes, they were really lucky last year too. You act like somebody slapped your mother or something, you are ****** freaking out about somebody saying turnovers are a lot of luck. It is a combination of the two, as I specifically said many many many times, but you keep ignoring the fact that I said both things are factors.

K so everyone is lucky. I guess that makes you feel better when your team loses because Favre chucks it down field, and PEterson can't wrap the ball up. But hey, you get moral victories when you lose because luck didn't want you to win haha
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There are some players such as Asante Samuel and Ed Reed who are capable of generating interceptions on a regular basis by doing things such as jumping routes.

On the other hand, there are players such as Darren Sharper who are in basicaly the right place at the right time during the course of one season and typically don't repeat their amazing string of interceptions the next year.

The Saints generated a ton of turnovers last year because alot of them happened when Saints defenders were in the "right place at the right time". A ball was knocked loose and Saints fell on it. Sharper was playing deep and snagged a floater and ran it back for a touchdown. Etc, etc. This kind of stuff makes for a magic Super Bowl season, but you can't rely on it to happen year after year.
You mean the guy who is 6th all time in picks, has had 9 picks 3 times? The guy that has led the league in interception return yards 3 times, and is 2nd all time in return yards? The same guy that has the 2nd most INT TDs of all time?

Lady luck has been shining on Darren Sharper for a long long time, hahahaa. Don't quit your day job.
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Look at the shape of a football once its fumbled tell me which direction its going? You can't and ending up with a football once its on the ground has some luck involved with it. Luck doesn't have anything to do with it ending up on the ground but I thought id just say that.
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Look at the shape of a football once its fumbled tell me which direction its going? You can't and ending up with a football once its on the ground has some luck involved with it. Luck doesn't have anything to do with it ending up on the ground but I thought id just say that.
No doubt, you can't predict where the ball is going. We didn't really get an inordinate amount of fumble recoveries though. We were 12th last year, and we're 15th now. We got 3 fumbles in the NFC title game, but that's because we knocked out 6.

Anyway, the whole point of this topic that got totally veered off by whiners like prock, the Saints aren't even losing because of turnovers or defense, we're losing because our offense is sucking ass, and our special teams is no better.
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Look at the shape of a football once its fumbled tell me which direction its going? You can't and ending up with a football once its on the ground has some luck involved with it. Luck doesn't have anything to do with it ending up on the ground but I thought id just say that.
But, as you said luck will have zero to do with a turnover if the player carrying the ball doesn't fumble. Meaning it has very little to do with luck. Turnovers are created by good defense, poor offense, or a combination of both. Not luck.
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Just want to throw this ridiculous stat out there:

NFC North QBs are on pace to throw 83 interceptions, 20.75 each
Isn't that the conference where they can't protect their QBs? GB gave up the most sacks last yr, Chicago is neart the top this yr. & Loadholt is a holding flag magnet for the Vikes.

Those facts might be related.
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Brett Favre is an INT machine, Tracy Porter jumped a route. Tracy Porter also jumped a route that Peyton MAnning routinely throws. Was it luck that Peyton didn't go deep and threw the slant? I guess you can call it that.
We are talking about 2009, not 2010. Favre had 7 INTs all year. I hope you understand that I'm not trying to take any credit away from the Saints. They executed their defense very well and took advantage of every opportunity they were given. I'm just saying that it was unlikely that so many offenses gave them chances to take the football away just when they needed it to win a close game. The Packers this year have recievers that will get tackled 20 times in very similar ways but they only drop the football when the game is tied in the 4th quarter. Stuff like that benefitted the Saints last year more than I would expect, and sometimes it it just comes down to the way the ball bounces. Most other teams wouldn't have capitalized as well as the Saints did, but they also didn't get the chance to prove so.
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Isn't that the conference where they can't protect their QBs? GB gave up the most sacks last yr, Chicago is neart the top this yr. & Loadholt is a holding flag magnet for the Vikes.

Those facts might be related.
It's particularly astounding with Brent and Rodgers throwing a combined 14 INTs last year. This year they have 19 through less than half games. I don't think anyone is surprised by the Lions and Cutler, but I did not see that coming.
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It's particularly astounding with Brent and Rodgers throwing a combined 14 INTs last year. This year they have 19 through less than half games. I don't think anyone is surprised by the Lions and Cutler, but I did not see that coming.
I think Interceptions as a whole in this league are way up this season. This league is becoming so pass happy, that teams are putting it up in the air more and more, and as a result there's more opportunities for Defenses to make plays on the ball.
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It's particularly astounding with Brent and Rodgers throwing a combined 14 INTs last year. This year they have 19 through less than half games. I don't think anyone is surprised by the Lions and Cutler, but I did not see that coming.
I actually got ripped in a thread last year for saying I wouldn't surprised if any of the 4 QBs in the NFC North lead the league in INTs because Favre only threw 7 so he OBVIOUSLY turned his habits around and Rodgerzz is teh sexorszzz.
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Rodgers didn't do anything previously in his career to make me believe he would be tied for 4th most interceptions in the league right now. Brent tied for 2nd, Cutler and Shaun Hill tied for 7th, no surprises there, despite Brent's 2009, history says otherwise. Perhaps Drew Brees tied for 2nd is the biggest shocker of all.
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I think Interceptions as a whole in this league are way up this season.
Which makes what Sanchez did even all the more impressive..... that being going a month into the season before getting picked off for the first time.

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Then every game in the NFL is luck, and there is no point in trying to figure out who is better than who, because all games are decided by luck..
Here's another point to illustrate how prevalant luck is in the NFL.
Las Vegas.
If luck was not a factor, it would be easy for people, for computers, formulas to determine who would win games......
such a thing does not exist and that's why Vegas continues to grow and sportsbooks continue to win.

LonghornLegend is right. Tyree was lucky on that catch. If not, then he's the greatest receiver of all time. And what did he ever do before that catch, or after that catch? Was that not his last catch in the league?
And Eli was lucky to get away on that play and the refs could have called holding on that play. That's some nice luck there, but there's no shame in that. All sports involve some luck usually, or always.

The Saints benefitted from a lot of luck last year, but Brees was still awesome during the season (not in the NFCCG though). Like LL said, take the title with a smile..... luck was your friend. Don't fight it. Embrace it. But don't expect it again this year.

Charles Woodson had some luck last year, granted.
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Teh Packers had more turnovers though, therefore, they had even more luck in the regular season.

Brees had 197 yards, 3 TDs, and no picks in the NFCCG. Maybe he was just lucky he didn't throw any stupid picks.

Also, another question, if the Saints are lucky when they force a turnover, does that mean that Peterson and Favre are lucky every time they don't turn it over?

I'm trying to piece together this luck thing, it seems ot be very selective and only applicable when convenient.

Prock: as for your bitchy neg rep comment, luck isn't a fact, it's something people like you convince themselves of so the loss doesn't sting as bad. "well we would have won if..." Get over it dude, you've been bitter about the Saints all year because you got beat, and luck isn't why.
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Guys that was last year I think its time to move on...

Green Bay - Is headed in the right direction after today.. need to beat Dallas next week at home and be 6-3 headed into a much needed bye.

Saints - Answer some questions tonight.

Vikings - Better win today

Cowboys - Ya, its over
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If the Saints offense plays like they have in every game but the TB game, this is going to be brutal.
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