Young Guns: Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Flacco, Ryan - Page 3

LonghornsLegend · 11-06-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

Buddy, if you watched any games this year, you can just see what Josh Freeman is doing with 2 rookie wr's, I don't even know if you can call average offensive line outside of Donald Penn, a defense that ranks 25th in the league, and 32 against the run, and a rookie RB. He puts that team on his back every game. You should also know what he did to the Bengals in the 4th Qtr. You have to be nuts to say he doesn't have all the tools and talent to succeed.

Which he didn't, nor anyone else has ever said. But you do come off as a homer when you say Freeman has the potential to be better then everyone else which just isn't true. That and you see every game he plays and probably have seen very little of other QB's.

Also if you want to talk about supporting cast Freeman has much better guys around him then Bradford does.

Caddy · 11-06-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Which he didn't, nor anyone else has ever said. But you do come off as a homer when you say Freeman has the potential to be better then everyone else which just isn't true. That and you see every game he plays and probably have seen very little of other QB's.

Also if you want to talk about supporting cast Freeman has much better guys around him then Bradford does.

Steven Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blount and Caddy

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

Buddy, if you watched any games this year, you can just see what Josh Freeman is doing with 2 rookie wr's, I don't even know if you can call average offensive line outside of Donald Penn, a defense that ranks 25th in the league, and 32 against the run, and a rookie RB. He puts that team on his back every game. You should also know what he did to the Bengals in the 4th Qtr. You have to be nuts to say he doesn't have all the tools and talent to succeed.

I am sorry. I didnt realize he was Christ Jr.

See: Longhorns post.

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

Steven Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blount and Caddy

And at the skill positions.....

bucfan12 · 11-06-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

No he doesn't, and his ceiling is not that high either. First off he's not a better prospect then Stafford and his ceiling isn't as high as his. Secondly you could say Flacco has just about the same potential as Freeman. I like him as much as anyone else but let's not act like he's on his way to the HOF Bucs fans, he doesn't have some sort of potential nobody else has pump the brakes a bit.

After the 2009 draft, when talking about the QBs, every one said that Freeman was very raw, but his upside is much better than Sanchez and Stafford, if he could put it together mentally. He has shown the potential.

Listen, not taking anything away from Stafford, he looked terrific last week. But honestly, I can't tell you who is the best young QB right now. It is a toss up as I think between Stafford, Freeman, Flacco, Ryan, and Bradford, they all are going to be top 5 QB's in this league. They just have the physical tools and mental aspect of the game and what impresses me the most is what Bradford, Freeman, and Stafford have done/are doing with the overall team they have around them. Freeman, in his 2nd year, is considered the veteran leader of the offense. (that just shows you he has "it")

bucfan12 · 11-06-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

And at the skill positions.....

No question Freeman has better WRs, but they are also rookies. I never took any credit away from Bradford. You all forgot that I said any one of those 5 qb's can be considered the best. All 5 will be elite, everyone has a different opinion. Everything I have read ever since Freeman was drafted was that he has the talent and upside to be a top 5 QB in this league.

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 12:11 PM

Tebow Tier
Tim Tebow

Tier 1
Stafford
Bradford

Tier 2
Flacco
Ryan
Freeman

Tier 3
Sanchez
Henne

All could be really good QB's but I think Stafford and Bradford (who I am eating my crow on) will be the best of the bunch. If Detroit can build up that OL Stafford could be something special.

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

No question Freeman has better WRs, but they are also rookies. I never took any credit away from Bradford. You all forgot that I said any one of those 5 qb's can be considered the best. All 5 will be elite, everyone has a different opinion. Everything I have read ever since Freeman was drafted was that he has the talent and upside to be a top 5 QB in this league.

Denario Alexander R
Mardy Gilyard R

Danny Amendola 2nd year
Brandon Gibson 2nd year

Laurent Robinson 4th year

And his best TE is a rookie.

Let's not act like Bradford is swimming in veteran talent over there.

bucfan12 · 11-06-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

Denario Alexander R
Mardy Gilyard R

Danny Amendola 2nd year
Brandon Gibson 2nd year

Laurent Robinson 4th year

And his best TE is a rookie.

Let's not act like Bradford is swimming in veteran talent over there.

Freemans advantage:

- Young Talented WR's
- Possibly an emerging RB in Blount (we'll see how the rest of the season plays out)

Bradford:
- A pro bowl RB in Steven Jackson
- a Young, but better O-line than what Freeman has
- A top 10 defense that actually has a pass rush

I love what Bradford is doing with that WR core. I like Amendola (don't know the precise spelling) and I think he can be a Welker type. The Rams will add a star WR (Julio Jones?) next year to go with Avery, Amendola, and that o-line and Steve Jackson. They are doing a fine job and will only progress along with Bradford.

I think both guys are going to hit that elite status in another year or 2.

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 12:22 PM

So Kellen Winslow doesnt count?
Right that would make it seem like Freeman isnt the only man on that team...

bucfan12 · 11-06-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

Tebow Tier
Tim Tebow

Tier 1
Stafford
Bradford

Tier 2
Flacco
Ryan
Freeman

Tier 3
Sanchez
Henne

All could be really good QB's but I think Stafford and Bradford (who I am eating my crow on) will be the best of the bunch. If Detroit can build up that OL Stafford could be something special.

HAHAHA I love that Tebow tier man. Listen, I don't mean to have an unfriendly argument here with you, but everyone has a different opinion, which I expect because there are some really good (possibly great) young QBs we have in this league.

But honestly, those 3 QBs you have in tier 2, can be considered in tier 1 along with Bradford and Stafford. I think those 5 are a bit ahead of the curve over Henne and Sanchez.

vidae · 11-06-2010, 12:25 PM

I haven't seen any Rams games this year.. their defense is top 10?

And yeah, Mike Williams is a rookie, but by all accounts he was one of the most talented WRs in the draft.. he was just a headcase. Freeman does have talent around him.

A Perfect Score · 11-06-2010, 12:26 PM

I'd venture to say that Flacco and Stafford have higher ceilings then Freeman, and have both shown more to date then Freeman has. Trust me, I applaud what he's doing in Tampa, but the fact of the matter is you beat Cleveland, Carolina, Cincinnati, St Louis and Arizona. When you played legitimate teams, you got absolutely stomped and the "MVP" candidate Freeman led the offense to exactly 19 points in those 2 games. I know its exciting that your franchise actually has a somewhat bright future again, but slow down on anointing him as the next big thing. He still has alot to prove and he's much less accomplished then several other guys on this list.

bucfan12 · 11-06-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

So Kellen Winslow doesnt count?
Right that would make it seem like Freeman isnt the only man on that team...

Sorry, I forgot about Winslow. He has been non-existant however in games against the Browns, Steelers, Saints, and Cardinals. Freeman has done a nice job spreading the ball around and has mainly targeted Mike Williams.

Not making an excuse, but what I am saying here is that Freeman has advantages and so does Bradford.

Bengals78 · 11-06-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bucfan12

HAHAHA I love that Tebow tier man. Listen, I don't mean to have an unfriendly argument here with you, but everyone has a different opinion, which I expect because there are some really good (possibly great) young QBs we have in this league.

But honestly, those 3 QBs you have in tier 2, can be considered in tier 1 along with Bradford and Stafford. I think those 5 are a bit ahead of the curve over Henne and Sanchez.

I think Ryan and Flacco are both really good QBs but I think they are what they are now.
Stafford and Bradford are yet to get there and I think they can be better.

Caddy · 11-06-2010, 12:29 PM

Moving onto to our next topic, who is better, Peyton Manning or Josh Freeman?

Scotty D · 11-06-2010, 12:41 PM

Tebow Tier made me laugh pretty hard.

Jvig43 · 11-06-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Caddy

Moving onto to our next topic, who is better, Peyton Manning or Josh Freeman?

Freemans upside is lot higher I'd say. :)

MetSox17 · 11-06-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bengals78

Tebow Tier
Tim Tebow

Tier 1
Stafford
Bradford

Tier 2
Flacco
Ryan
Freeman

Tier 3
Sanchez
Henne

All could be really good QB's but I think Stafford and Bradford (who I am eating my crow on) will be the best of the bunch. If Detroit can build up that OL Stafford could be something special.

Pretty much this. I agree with all three four tiers, and Stafford/Bradford are my 1.a and 1.b guys. I like Stafford from a physical standpoint a lot better, but he has been hurt a lot. You can credit that to the offensive line, or whatever you wish, but he hasn't been healthy. i LOVE Bradford as a QB, and once he gets some actual WRs, he's gonna look like Tom Brady.

Jvig43 · 11-06-2010, 01:30 PM

Agree with Bengals list, pretty much sums up how I see each of them.

soybean · 11-06-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

No he doesn't, and his ceiling is not that high either. First off he's not a better prospect then Stafford and his ceiling isn't as high as his. Secondly you could say Flacco has just about the same potential as Freeman. I like him as much as anyone else but let's not act like he's on his way to the HOF Bucs fans, he doesn't have some sort of potential nobody else has pump the brakes a bit.

Seriously. This Freeman love from Bucs fans is getting REALLY annoying.

regoob2 · 11-06-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by steelersfan43

Watch this and tell me you dont love stafford. So much heart.

Jay Cutler would never do that.

Jvig43 · 11-06-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by soybean

Seriously. This Freeman love from Bucs fans is getting REALLY annoying.

It isnt getting to me like the Miles Austin thread of last year did. Every year some one has a break out year and fans go over board with it. Their just excited.

MetSox17 · 11-06-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43

It isnt getting to me like the Miles Austin thread of last year did. Every year some one has a break out year and fans go over board with it. Their just excited.

Except, you know, Miles actually raped the whole season once he started.

Jvig43 · 11-06-2010, 02:16 PM

He had a very good season I agree it just still got blown up by some people thats all.